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Post by seastape on Jan 30, 2020 22:46:07 GMT -8
Nice road win for the Beavs over a decent Stanford. Nice to see Lucas have a good game. Question: was his scoring noticeable, or was it a situation where he quietly had a good scoring night? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 30, 2020 22:51:38 GMT -8
Nice road win for the Beavs over a decent Stanford. Nice to see Lucas have a good game. Question: was his scoring noticeable, or was it a situation where he quietly had a good scoring night? ET was in foul trouble in the first half. Lucas scored 17 points basically as ET's replacement in the first half. Three threes, a two, and six free throws on two fouled on three pointers. Only 31 first half points, 17 from Lucas. It was noticeable. He also noticeably regressed to the mean in the second half. |
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Post by steinlager on Jan 30, 2020 22:51:39 GMT -8
Nice road win for the Beavs over a decent Stanford. Nice to see Lucas have a good game. Question: was his scoring noticeable, or was it a situation where he quietly had a good scoring night? He went nuts in the first half. At one point he had scored 17 of their 31 points. Got some good looks in second half but wasn't "en fuego" after halftime. |
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Post by beaverbeliever on Jan 30, 2020 22:57:29 GMT -8
I'll never complain about a conference road win - just wish they'd finished a little stronger down the stretch. They did get some good looks during that drought, just couldn't get anything to drop.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 30, 2020 23:14:39 GMT -8
Nice road win for the Beavs over a decent Stanford. Nice to see Lucas have a good game. Question: was his scoring noticeable, or was it a situation where he quietly had a good scoring night? ET was in foul trouble in the first half. Lucas scored 17 points basically as ET's replacement in the first half. Three threes, a two, and six free throws on two fouled on three pointers. Only 31 first half points, 17 from Lucas. It was noticeable. He also noticeably regressed to the mean in the second half. Will point out he had a really nice offensive rebound where he got a put back for an answer 1 in the 2nd half. Missed some open looks though. Still love his shot and am totally fine with him taking 8 threes a game like he did tonight. Best pure shooter we have and his release is as quick as ive seen in the college game. |
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Post by seastape on Jan 31, 2020 1:01:35 GMT -8
Thanks for the replies, gents!
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 31, 2020 6:24:24 GMT -8
Also checked the score this morning. Good for the Beavs. Love to see them follow it up with a win against Cal -- though looks like they've been playing better of late. Go Beavs.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 31, 2020 7:48:49 GMT -8
Nice road win for the Beavs over a decent Stanford. Nice to see Lucas have a good game. Question: was his scoring noticeable, or was it a situation where he quietly had a good scoring night? Were his 21 points “noticeable”? 31% of OSU’s total in a 5 point win? Wow, what a question. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 31, 2020 8:58:07 GMT -8
Nice road win for the Beavs over a decent Stanford. Nice to see Lucas have a good game. Question: was his scoring noticeable, or was it a situation where he quietly had a good scoring night? Were his 21 points “noticeable”? 31% of OSU’s total in a 5 point win? Wow, what a question. nah man, I am getting what he is saying. There are guys that hang around and have even nights all night long, make a few nice lay ups and easy pull up jumpers but never have a razzle dazzle play, or never drain a long three that really catches your eye. you look at the box score later and go, Oh s%#t, that dude really dropped 20? The question really is, was Lucas making highlight points or was he steady-eddy putting down the easy buckets here and there all night? |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 31, 2020 10:22:24 GMT -8
ET was in foul trouble in the first half. Lucas scored 17 points basically as ET's replacement in the first half. Three threes, a two, and six free throws on two fouled on three pointers. Only 31 first half points, 17 from Lucas. It was noticeable. He also noticeably regressed to the mean in the second half. Will point out he had a really nice offensive rebound where he got a put back for an answer 1 in the 2nd half. Missed some open looks though. Still love his shot and am totally fine with him taking 8 threes a game like he did tonight. Best pure shooter we have and his release is as quick as ive seen in the college game. OK... I know sports are "what have you done for me lately". I know OSU won an ugly basketball game that seemed closer to football at times... had to DVR and watch late due to "tiredness"... but, Lucas had a good game. Great for him coming back home. BUT??? The kid shoots 36%/34%... the offensive board was a fortuitous long careem that went past TT right to him. He is far from the best pure shooter OSU has and in fact he has an inconsistent release. In his 44 attempts from three I have never seen a guy miss so badly so often. I'll also mention his leg kick is going to get called. His normal shot is straight up and down, at other times he kicks one or both legs out to draw contact. His 6 of his 8 free throws last night were terrible calls. If called against OSU fans here would have been livid. That said, the best part of his game is his hustle and he actually draws a lot of free throws for the limited minutes he plays. Although I can think of at least (3) situations he got the benefit of kicking out his legs on threes. He tends to run around like a chicken minus his head at times, but has a non-stop motor. He just needs to let the game slow down some. It is very apparent each time he attempts to drive that he is in a rush. I'm pretty sure he leads the teams in going to the floor while trying to drive. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 31, 2020 10:40:07 GMT -8
Were his 21 points “noticeable”? 31% of OSU’s total in a 5 point win? Wow, what a question. nah man, I am getting what he is saying. There are guys that hang around and have even nights all night long, make a few nice lay ups and easy pull up jumpers but never have a razzle dazzle play, or never drain a long three that really catches your eye. you look at the box score later and go, Oh s%#t, that dude really dropped 20? The question really is, was Lucas making highlight points or was he steady-eddy putting down the easy buckets here and there all night? Let's call it a "career" night ... so far. Could actually be, or he could be a Roberto Nelson and get to the point of averaging 15+/g. BUT... it was wasn't really WT pulling the right string. I believe Lucas was the 4th guy off the bench (Silva, Vernon, SMM, then Lucas)... the offense stunk (10-10 at 8:13 mark)... and nothing was working... and ET gets his 2nd stupid foul (SMM was the initial sub for him... Lucas came for ZR). Lucas provided much needed punch... although he started rough with a foul and TO in his first 30-40 seconds. In over double his normal minutes (27 to 11.6 before last night) he put up 10 shots (2.4 FGA/g before that)... made 5 (0.8 FGM/g before)... 3 for 8 from three (0.6 3FGM/1.8 3FGA)... scored 17 in the first (basically all in the last 7 minutes) and 4 in the 2nd for 21 total (3.4 pts/g before). |
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 31, 2020 10:51:34 GMT -8
nah man, I am getting what he is saying. There are guys that hang around and have even nights all night long, make a few nice lay ups and easy pull up jumpers but never have a razzle dazzle play, or never drain a long three that really catches your eye. you look at the box score later and go, Oh s%#t, that dude really dropped 20? The question really is, was Lucas making highlight points or was he steady-eddy putting down the easy buckets here and there all night? Let's call it a "career" night ... so far. Could actually be, or he could be a Roberto Nelson and get to the point of averaging 15+/g. BUT... it was wasn't really WT pulling the right string. I believe Lucas was the 4th guy off the bench (Silva, Vernon, SMM, then Lucas)... the offense stunk (10-10 at 8:13 mark)... and nothing was working... and ET gets his 2nd stupid foul (SMM was the initial sub for him... Lucas came for ZR). Lucas provided much needed punch... although he started rough with a foul and TO in his first 30-40 seconds. In over double his normal minutes (27 to 11.6 before last night) he put up 10 shots (2.4 FGA/g before that)... made 5 (0.8 FGM/g before)... 3 for 8 from three (0.6 3FGM/1.8 3FGA)... scored 17 in the first (basically all in the last 7 minutes) and 4 in the 2nd for 21 total (3.4 pts/g before). I know you're not a WT fan and will not give him credit for Lucas' performance, but he did make some good coaching moves last night. He left ET on the bench the rest of the 1st half even though the team was still struggling to score (other than Lucas). A lot of coaches would have put him back in with 2 fouls at some point during the half. He also benched Tres for 3-4 min in the 2nd half when he picked up his 3rd foul. The announcers were even questioning whether they should put him back in prior to the under 12 timeout when the lead was slipping. This also allowed Tres to come back in rested and allow the team to go on another scoring spurt. Finally, I think he did a good job calling for the 1-3-1 late in the 2nd half and sticking with it, even when they cut back into the lead. Stanford struggled with it and it caused a few turnovers. He definitely has some questionable coaching moments, but I thought WT did a solid job last night. |
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Post by nabeav on Jan 31, 2020 11:03:04 GMT -8
nah man, I am getting what he is saying. There are guys that hang around and have even nights all night long, make a few nice lay ups and easy pull up jumpers but never have a razzle dazzle play, or never drain a long three that really catches your eye. you look at the box score later and go, Oh s%#t, that dude really dropped 20? The question really is, was Lucas making highlight points or was he steady-eddy putting down the easy buckets here and there all night? Let's call it a "career" night ... so far. Could actually be, or he could be a Roberto Nelson and get to the point of averaging 15+/g. BUT... it was wasn't really WT pulling the right string. I believe Lucas was the 4th guy off the bench (Silva, Vernon, SMM, then Lucas)... the offense stunk (10-10 at 8:13 mark)... and nothing was working... and ET gets his 2nd stupid foul (SMM was the initial sub for him... Lucas came for ZR). Lucas provided much needed punch... although he started rough with a foul and TO in his first 30-40 seconds. In over double his normal minutes (27 to 11.6 before last night) he put up 10 shots (2.4 FGA/g before that)... made 5 (0.8 FGM/g before)... 3 for 8 from three (0.6 3FGM/1.8 3FGA)... scored 17 in the first (basically all in the last 7 minutes) and 4 in the 2nd for 21 total (3.4 pts/g before). It's almost like getting a chance to settle down and get into the flow of the game helped him out. Obviously you can't give everyone 20 minutes, but letting a guy play a 5-10 minute stretch rather than expecting him to come of the bench and fire off three threes in 90 seconds probably helped. I read a story about Steve Kerr late in his career would practice sitting in a chair for 30 minutes, run on to the court and shoot a three, then go sit back down for another half an hour before shooting another one. Not sure it's true, but being a gunslinger off the bench is a real tough gig. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 31, 2020 11:25:02 GMT -8
Let's call it a "career" night ... so far. Could actually be, or he could be a Roberto Nelson and get to the point of averaging 15+/g. BUT... it was wasn't really WT pulling the right string. I believe Lucas was the 4th guy off the bench (Silva, Vernon, SMM, then Lucas)... the offense stunk (10-10 at 8:13 mark)... and nothing was working... and ET gets his 2nd stupid foul (SMM was the initial sub for him... Lucas came for ZR). Lucas provided much needed punch... although he started rough with a foul and TO in his first 30-40 seconds. In over double his normal minutes (27 to 11.6 before last night) he put up 10 shots (2.4 FGA/g before that)... made 5 (0.8 FGM/g before)... 3 for 8 from three (0.6 3FGM/1.8 3FGA)... scored 17 in the first (basically all in the last 7 minutes) and 4 in the 2nd for 21 total (3.4 pts/g before). It's almost like getting a chance to settle down and get into the flow of the game helped him out. Obviously you can't give everyone 20 minutes, but letting a guy play a 5-10 minute stretch rather than expecting him to come of the bench and fire off three threes in 90 seconds probably helped. I read a story about Steve Kerr late in his career would practice sitting in a chair for 30 minutes, run on to the court and shoot a three, then go sit back down for another half an hour before shooting another one. Not sure it's true, but being a gunslinger off the bench is a real tough gig. Goes back to one of my friend's biggest complaints about WT. He thinks the recruiting could be ok. But, recruits just aren't developed, given minutes especially early in the NC schedule to gain confidence and show what they can do. I tend to think recruiting needs to be better, but agree that some of our recruits could be much better players if handled differently. I'm also a believer that a kid like Lucas should start from day one if he is equal to say a ZR. Let the older, mature player come off the bench until the Frosh shows he can't play at this level. Hunt would have been my particular choice to start day 1 to get ET to the SG position, with Lucas getting minutes at both positions, moving ET to PG when Lucas is in with him. And... complete supposition... but, I think this team was NCAA bound with WW and Kone (yes even Ben... a 6'9", 235 lb guy in the system would give more than the 4.6/4.1 he is at Tenn St.). Silva and Dastrup are subtractions by addition... OSU just has no inside presence on the block and TT and ET shouldn't be the leading rebounders. But, spilt milk. PS- I also think Tucker has huge potential and a great body, mobility to be the guy by his Jr year. But, do not be surprised if he is the next departure. Wanted to RS if he wasn't going to get time... supposedly told he'd be needed. From what I've seen he couldn't be worse than a couple of the other options and has seen the floor in only 10 games/29 minutes. |
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