beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 28, 2020 19:15:04 GMT -8
I'm not going to dismiss the great recruiting class that Oregon brings in next year, but I will say that it's a little easier to get recognized as the Number 1 recruiting class when
you have 5 scholarships available (and want to carry the maximum of 15 on scholarship) and all the marketing of UO....versus not needing five new players and choosing to only carry 12 on scholarship. Keep in mind... there are only 200 minutes available in a game for 5 players and one basketball!! Don't misunderstand me, Mark Campbell is a great recruiter (especially when KG inquired about players choosing to go to OSU based on the connection established with Campbell when at OSU) but I would not trade our staff for any staff in the country. If our recruiting class in 2021 pans out....we'll see where we are ranked!!
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 28, 2020 19:24:06 GMT -8
Then perhaps OSU should work harder and smarter on marketing!!!
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beav74
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Post by beav74 on Jan 28, 2020 19:32:32 GMT -8
Then perhaps OSU should work harder and smarter on marketing!!! Could not disagree. Oregon has a great marketing advantage thanks to NIKE. Why isn't Benny Beaver in the Rose Festival Parade....the Duck is! Why isn't Benny Beaver in the ESPN mascot commercial.....the Duck is!! Why isn't Benny Beaver in the Rocket Mortgage commercial?....the Duck is!! Need more examples? |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 28, 2020 19:36:31 GMT -8
A few of my thoughts:
- Oregon is definitely a hot name on the recruiting trail. They’re winning, they’re recruiting at a high level, they’re drawing fans really well, and they play a really attractive game from the eyes of teenage girls. They like to run and they like to score a lot of points. Contrast that with Rueck and CTT’s more methodical, slower paced offensive approaches and they aren’t as appealing. Hard for a recruit not to be intrigued by all UO has to offer.
- There haven’t been as many UO-OSU recruiting battles as I had imagined recently. There were Brown and Shelley in the 2019 class, and OSU recruited PaoPao early, but I’m not sure to what degree they stayed on her, or her level of mutual interest in OSU. In 2020, Kampschroeder and von Oelhoffen did not list UO as a finalist, though Wolfenbarger and Verhulst are being pursued by both schools heavily.
- I really wanted 2020 to be a breakthrough class for OSU - but it wasn’t. I had hopes of landing Goforth, Daniels, and Van Lith/Clark, but we were 1/4. Had we gotten 3/4, I would have preferred our class to UO’s. I have high hopes for 2021 to be a breakthrough year, so we’ll see.
- In all reality, it is unlikely their 2020 class all stays together. Five McDonald’s All-Americans in one class, plus the fact that N. Sabally and Sedona Prince will be RS FR, sounds like a lot of transfers. As Graves proved in 2016, let it sort itself out and you’ll be fine. It happens to most programs with that number of elite players and a large roster.
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 28, 2020 20:45:15 GMT -8
Oregon has a monster recruiting class for 2020, but it is true, they won't find play time/happiness for those 5, Sabally, Prince, Shelly, and and Winterburn. They are all nice players, but as we also know, some players don't turn out as good as thought, or don't fit in as well, or get injured. Between that group of 9 players, there will be some attriton, but there's a good chance a good starting 5 will stick with the team.
As for the Beavs, let's see what happens in this 2021 class. If they land 3 of the top 6 they are after, it will be an amazing class. In fact, one or two of them would be good enough to keep the Beavs in a run for the top of the conference for the next few years. As long as one of them can play point.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 28, 2020 20:59:06 GMT -8
You will recall that, 4 years ago, the Ducks got commits from (I believe) 7 players. Looking at the handout at Sunday's game, I noted that only Sabrina and Ruthie were listed as seniors, and I didn't notice anybody listed as a redshirt junior. So, as many have pointed out, the 5 graduating from high school in June will not all be graduating from Oregon 4 years from now.
Wolfenbarger and Verhulst are both listed as 6'1" guards. The Ducks have 3 of them coming in next year - #10 recruit Sydney Parrish (6,0"), #19 Maddie Schear (5'11"), and #33 Te-Hina Pao Pao (5'9"). We, on the other hand, have but 1 highly ranked guard coming in next year (Sasha). Immediate playing time is a definite factor in decision making.
I like our position going into 2021 recruiting.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 29, 2020 7:32:56 GMT -8
You will recall that, 4 years ago, the Ducks got commits from (I believe) 7 players. Looking at the handout at Sunday's game, I noted that only Sabrina and Ruthie were listed as seniors, and I didn't notice anybody listed as a redshirt junior. So, as many have pointed out, the 5 graduating from high school in June will not all be graduating from Oregon 4 years from now. Wolfenbarger and Verhulst are both listed as 6'1" guards. The Ducks have 3 of them coming in next year - #10 recruit Sydney Parrish (6,0"), #19 Maddie Schear (5'11"), and #33 Te-Hina Pao Pao (5'9"). We, on the other hand, have but 1 highly ranked guard coming in next year (Sasha). Immediate playing time is a definite factor in decision making. I like our position going into 2021 recruiting. Yaeger and Giomi were also members of the class, both are RS JRs now, so 4/7 stayed, but three left, but neither has been a contributor. Both Campisano and McGwire were simply players who didn't want to spend their entire careers coming off the bench, which is what they would have been doing. Only Sabally remains of their 2017 class, which also had Aina Ayuso and Anneli Maley, both of whom returned to their native countries. |
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Post by sparty on Jan 29, 2020 12:48:15 GMT -8
You will recall that, 4 years ago, the Ducks got commits from (I believe) 7 players. Looking at the handout at Sunday's game, I noted that only Sabrina and Ruthie were listed as seniors, and I didn't notice anybody listed as a redshirt junior. So, as many have pointed out, the 5 graduating from high school in June will not all be graduating from Oregon 4 years from now. Wolfenbarger and Verhulst are both listed as 6'1" guards. The Ducks have 3 of them coming in next year - #10 recruit Sydney Parrish (6,0"), #19 Maddie Schear (5'11"), and #33 Te-Hina Pao Pao (5'9"). We, on the other hand, have but 1 highly ranked guard coming in next year (Sasha). Immediate playing time is a definite factor in decision making. I like our position going into 2021 recruiting. Yaeger and Giomi were also members of the class, both are RS JRs now, so 4/7 stayed, but three left, but neither has been a contributor. Both Campisano and McGwire were simply players who didn't want to spend their entire careers coming off the bench, which is what they would have been doing. Only Sabally remains of their 2017 class, which also had Aina Ayuso and Anneli Maley, both of whom returned to their native countries. So imagine how good we would be with Campisano and McQwire starting at OSU. Are they putting up gawdy numbers at their new locations. You would think everyone in the Pac-12 would have contacted them once in the transfer portal. Scott missed on luring in Campisano and McGwire would have been nice too. Wasn't Campisano a hot three point shooter? |
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Post by sparty on Jan 29, 2020 12:53:48 GMT -8
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 29, 2020 12:56:16 GMT -8
Yaeger and Giomi were also members of the class, both are RS JRs now, so 4/7 stayed, but three left, but neither has been a contributor. Both Campisano and McGwire were simply players who didn't want to spend their entire careers coming off the bench, which is what they would have been doing. Only Sabally remains of their 2017 class, which also had Aina Ayuso and Anneli Maley, both of whom returned to their native countries. So imagine how good we would be with Campisano and McQwire starting at OSU. Are they putting up gawdy numbers at their new locations. You would think everyone in the Pac-12 would have contacted them once in the transfer portal. Scott missed on luring in Campisano and McGwire would have been nice too. Wasn't Campisano a hot three point shooter? McGwire is averaging around 12.5 pts/gm at Boise St. Campisano is averaging 16 pts/gm at Cal Poly (Although she is only 19% from 3) |
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Jan 29, 2020 15:05:14 GMT -8
We have 2 athletic recruits coming in next year. Jaz, pivec and destiny not athletic this year? What the frick are you babbling about? |
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Post by billsaab on Jan 29, 2020 16:26:08 GMT -8
We need to change a bit to become a consistent top 5 type Team. Oregon does not care if players transfer. I would guess the transfer of their players is a price they are willing to pay. Before I slam it I must admit Tinkle seems to have the same situation with no viable results.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jan 29, 2020 20:09:41 GMT -8
Most players transfer because they are not getting the minutes they want. This is generally good for a program as it opens up a scholarship to a potential elite recruit. Bringing in a big recruiting class is smart IMO. Let them complete for playing time, if they are not satisfied with their role on the team they can move on. The more competition the better the team. If your recruiting at the level of Oregon or OSU, if someone leaves it is an opportunity to bring someone better in to improve the team.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 30, 2020 7:33:01 GMT -8
Most players transfer because they are not getting the minutes they want. This is generally good for a program as it opens up a scholarship to a potential elite recruit. Bringing in a big recruiting class is smart IMO. Let them complete for playing time, if they are not satisfied with their role on the team they can move on. The more competition the better the team. If your recruiting at the level of Oregon or OSU, if someone leaves it is an opportunity to bring someone better in to improve the team. And conversely, not bringing in a full class, using 12-15 schollies means each recruit better be legit and no one gets seriously injured. |
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Post by beavdowg on Jan 30, 2020 7:35:24 GMT -8
We need to change a bit to become a consistent top 5 type Team. Oregon does not care if players transfer. I would guess the transfer of their players is a price they are willing to pay. Before I slam it I must admit Tinkle seems to have the same situation with no viable results. The difference, though, is Tinkle isn't bringing in near the talent that UO women's program is. HUGE difference. |
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