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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 13, 2020 14:10:01 GMT -8
After watching CTT's ASU teams beat OSU now four consecutive times (including one game at Gill), it is apparent that ASU plays up to and often beyond the limits of "tough, aggressive play." To beat ASU, your team has to match a very high level of physicality and be prepared to be hammered when setting a screen as well as well as when you are being screened. You can't rely on the refs to call much of the contact, especially in Tempe. I watched the replay of yesterday's game and took a look multiple times at some of the action away from the ball and on screens that did not result in fouls being called.
I expect the OSU coaches remind their players of what it will take physically to beat ASU. It takes a lot of grit and toughness. It seems like all of ASU's players are wired by CTT to play on the edge of what could be called as fouls. Perhaps that is how more teams should play. Here's to hoping that yesterday's physical beating in Tempe is avenged later this season in Gill. |
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Post by norm on Jan 13, 2020 14:18:08 GMT -8
Or we can not have our two best players (Mik & Destiny) not turn the ball over 12 times and not have our two best shooters (Kat & Aleah) not miss all 12 of their shots and not have our two best posts (Kennedy & Taylor) not play like Freshman. Even with all of that, it was tied with 3 minutes to go.
Let's not over-analyze it. It's pretty simple. No need to watch the video over and over again.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 13, 2020 14:52:09 GMT -8
I do think that the poor shooting has a lot to do with the physicality. You get really annoyed when you get pushed around, and fouls don't get called. You then tend to retaliate and get called... or you get caught up in revenge mode and lose focus.
The problem with the retaliation is that unless you teach players how to get physical that's still borderline enough to not get called, you won't know how to return the favor properly (i.e. Aleah's blatantly obvious high elbows) ... and I don't think Rueck's staff teaches enough of that. And IMO, our best player to return the physicality (Morris) didn't see the floor. I'd love to see Morris out there in the next game and set picks 15 feet away from our guards, and let Aleah, Destiny and Kat run their defenders full-speed into a planted Morris. I'm confident it would calm down that defensive aggressiveness real fast.
It is a frusteration that I have with Rueck - he hasn't found a way to solve this type of defense, and it's becoming the playbook ... so we're going to see more of it until he does.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 13, 2020 15:11:20 GMT -8
I think that the turnovers, poor shooting, and other undesirable stats are often greatly influenced or dictated by the opponent and its physicality. ASU's two-platoon system limits the likelihood of fouling out by an individual player. Consequently, the Sun Devils seem to play so aggressively that it appears that they don't fear getting into individual foul trouble.
There are a number of reasons why it has been very difficult for OSU to beat ASU during the last four matchups spanning nearly two calendar years. Teams that shoot 2/20 from beyond the arc usually lose. That played a big role in yesterday's loss, but I believe it has been ASU's physicality that has bothered the Beavs the most during the four losses.
What ASU does consistently is fight you on every possession and try to physically beat you. That system continues to be successful for ASU.
I really do think that watching and analyzing the video of games like yesterday's loss is a must to improve. And OSU will do that. It is often not fun as a fan to see all the possessions that could have ended differently, but we all know that OSU's future opponents will be watching that video to determine the best ways to attack OSU on offense and defense.
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 13, 2020 15:49:11 GMT -8
I thought it really all came down to missed shots.
We had at least 4 easy shots within 2 feet of the basket that rimmed out. We shot poorly from 3-point range on our open looks. Mik missed those 2 FTs at the end. ASU was hitting their shots they were supposed to. 2 for 20 from 3 point range? We had plenty of good looks that didn’t go in.
Watching the game, I’d say we would win 7 or 8 of 10 match-ups vs that team. I don’t think you change your style of play in that circumstance.
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 13, 2020 15:54:16 GMT -8
I don't see much risk of others copying CTT as no one else runs squads as she does. I think playing against ASU is like playing in quicksand. They are constantly grabbing, pushing, and holding you. But not so much as the Ref's call it very often. Running the squads keeps thier players from being tired from it and spreads the fouls out. Don't know the answer other than more/better picks. On to Cal next
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 13, 2020 16:19:28 GMT -8
Important to remember before this 4 game skid against ASU we had won I think 7 or 8 in a row. What's the difference there? In our winning streak we had a post player we could dump the ball into and get a basket if the defender played behind them. Taylor isn't there yet, but I think she is by next year.
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Post by qbeaver on Jan 13, 2020 16:44:56 GMT -8
We missed so many makeable shots...especially in the first half. If we can get our shooting touch back with several of our perimeter players,that game could have been ours. We’re still 15-1 and in the top 8 in the country. Hopefully our frosh bigs can adjust going forward,and we can get Jelena on the court in the near future for a bit more depth.
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Post by markarmour04 on Jan 13, 2020 18:10:53 GMT -8
What turns this good team into a great team is three-point shooting. Without that, without Kat and Aleah as dangerous weapons, we aren't going to beat good teams. Not much analysis can be added, since I am not a shooting coach.
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Post by sparty on Jan 13, 2020 19:06:25 GMT -8
I don't see much risk of others copying CTT as no one else runs squads as she does. I think playing against ASU is like playing in quicksand. They are constantly grabbing, pushing, and holding you. But not so much as the Ref's call it very often. Running the squads keeps thier players from being tired from it and spreads the fouls out. Don't know the answer other than more/better picks. On to Cal next CTT once said in regards to their physicality. "They can't call them all" |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 13, 2020 19:47:42 GMT -8
What turns this good team into a great team is three-point shooting. Without that, without Kat and Aleah as dangerous weapons, we aren't going to beat good teams. Not much analysis can be added, since I am not a shooting coach. Our ability to convert 3-point shots is the great equalizer. Had OSU been able to knock down 3, or more, of our 3-point shots, it would have changed the game considerably. It would have opened up the middle. That is why it is so important to knock down OPEN 3-points shots. We had OPEN 3-point shots, and had a bad day at the office. Hopefully, Kat and Aleah get their strokes back, or, we'll see more low scoring from our beloved Lady Beavs. |
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Post by grad1973 on Jan 13, 2020 19:53:36 GMT -8
What id like to know is a breakdown of fouls by quarter. That should tell you how or if the referees were messing with one or the other teams heads when it counted. We were even on total fouls. Fifteen each. If someone can give me a breakdown by quarter of fouls called would give me something to study.
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 13, 2020 22:29:07 GMT -8
What turns this good team into a great team is three-point shooting. Without that, without Kat and Aleah as dangerous weapons, we aren't going to beat good teams. Not much analysis can be added, since I am not a shooting coach. Our ability to convert 3-point shots is the great equalizer. Had OSU been able to knock down 3, or more, of our 3-point shots, it would have changed the game considerably. It would have opened up the middle. That is why it is so important to knock down OPEN 3-points shots. We had OPEN 3-point shots, and had a bad day at the office. Hopefully, Kat and Aleah get their strokes back, or, we'll see more low scoring from our beloved Lady Beavs. Prior to our last home game, I was watching the players shooting around on the court about 40 minutes prior to tip off. Usually, Destiny is the last to leave for the locker room, but this time it was Kat. She kept putting up 3's from the corner and missed way more than she made. She looked visibly frustrated with herself, and it looked like it was in her head - kind of like a golfer who normally hits it straight and then duck hooks one, and all of a sudden he's duck hooking everything. Hope she gets it figured out soon. I'm sure she will. |
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