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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2020 9:04:21 GMT -8
After watching the uck/ASU reply I'm going to say this game is no contest... double digit W. Because... - ucks went thru the motions. From the beginning they seemed dead with short spurts to try and wake up. I like Graves as a recruiter and tactician, but he seemed lost trying to externally motivate this team. The uck team OSU will face beats ASU by 20. - ASU caught lightening in a bottle. Ucks not emotionally or mentally ready and they literally had players play the game of their season. There were literally 'throws' at the hoop that went in. My guess is they game was their season in terms of playing a great team even. Perfect storm so to speak. - emotion. ASU will still be living on that hype. If OSU weathers the early hype and stays under control they will pound out a W. OSU will wear down ASU and when the hype wears off ASU will be emotionally spent. Mentally some of them have probably already accepted that a split vs #2 and #3 is a great weekend. Beavers win by double digits and move to #1. Unfortunately? Fortunately? A cool thing for some reasons, but I've never liked "my team" ranked #1 for many reasons... unless it's after their last game.
Foolish as they may seem
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 12, 2020 9:34:20 GMT -8
After watching the uck/ASU reply I'm going to say this game is no contest... double digit W. Because... - ucks went thru the motions. From the beginning they seemed dead with short spurts to try and wake up. I like Graves as a recruiter and tactician, but he seemed lost trying to externally motivate this team. The uck team OSU will face beats ASU by 20. - ASU caught lightening in a bottle. Ucks not emotionally or mentally ready and they literally had players play the game of their season. There were literally 'throws' at the hoop that went in. My guess is they game was their season in terms of playing a great team even. Perfect storm so to speak. - emotion. ASU will still be living on that hype. If OSU weathers the early hype and stays under control they will pound out a W. OSU will wear down ASU and when the hype wears off ASU will be emotionally spent. Mentally some of them have probably already accepted that a split vs #2 and #3 is a great weekend. Beavers win by double digits and move to #1. Unfortunately? Fortunately? A cool thing for some reasons, but I've never liked "my team" ranked #1 for many reasons... unless it's after their last game.
Foolish as they may seem
Here's to the hearts that ache
Here's to the mess we make."
I'm not looking back
But I want to look around me now
Time stands still
See more of the people
And the places that surround me now
Freeze this moment
A little bit longer
Make each sensation
A little bit stronger
Make each impression
A little bit stronger
Freeze this motion
A little bit longerI am not going to make a prediction, but I will say that if anyone on this planet *deserves* a victory today and deserves to have a #1 ranked team, it is a coach that was willing to take over as coach in a very, very challenging situation - knowing he might not have been in the conversation had the challenge been less of one.......my favorite line from "Unforgiven" is "deserve's got nothing to do with it", and the nature of luck, life and competition might not let this occur, but I for one never thought I would contemplate the thoughts I get to today around Beaver basketball. As a result, this moment leading up to the game is also very, very special, and I will use some lyrics from recently departed Neil Peart to remind me of that. I wasn't watching the Beavers during the magical weeks of '80-81 when MBB was on top of the world, but I (and all of you) sure are watching now! Go Beavers! |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 12, 2020 9:47:32 GMT -8
"Here's to the ones who dream
Foolish as they may seem
Here's to the hearts that ache
Here's to the mess we make."
I'm not looking back
But I want to look around me now
Time stands still
See more of the people
And the places that surround me now
Freeze this moment
A little bit longer
Make each sensation
A little bit stronger
Make each impression
A little bit stronger
Freeze this motion
A little bit longerI am not going to make a prediction, but I will say that if anyone on this planet *deserves* a victory today and deserves to have a #1 ranked team, it is a coach that was willing to take over as coach in a very, very challenging situation - knowing he might not have been in the conversation had the challenge been less of one.......my favorite line from "Unforgiven" is "deserve's got nothing to do with it", and the nature of luck, life and competition might not let this occur, but I for one never thought I would contemplate the thoughts I get to today around Beaver basketball. As a result, this moment leading up to the game is also very, very special, and I will use some lyrics from recently departed Neil Peart to remind me of that. I wasn't watching the Beavers during the magical weeks of '80-81 when MBB was on top of the world, but I (and all of you) sure are watching now! Go Beavers! With all due respect to the late Canadian progressive rock icon, I think that’s enough Rush. 😑 |
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Post by shelby on Jan 12, 2020 9:49:59 GMT -8
Just want to sit back and watch a great effort from the Beavs and some fair officiating. The Devils seem to be a touch slower than us, at certain positions, and bulkier than us all the way around . I think it is going to be hitting our three's and great entry passes into the key to 'finish'. I am pleased that we had a tough defense thrown at us the other night because Scott and Staff will make the necessary adjustments - then it's just execution.
One thing I will hate is watching The ASU .coach and her sideline antics !
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2ndGenBeaver
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 12, 2020 9:56:59 GMT -8
Just want to sit back and watch a great effort from the Beavs and some fair officiating. The Devils seem to be a touch slower than us, at certain positions, and bulkier than us all the way around . I think it is going to be hitting our three's and great entry passes into the key to 'finish'. I am pleased that we had a tough defense thrown at us the other night because Scott and Staff will make the necessary adjustments - then it's just execution. One thing I will hate is watching The ASU .coach and her sideline antics ! CTT really does get pretty fired up. Doesn't throw a coat (at least not so far), but in the same genre of "fiery sideline antics". Interesting how different players respond to different coaching styles. I think Aleah is due to break out of her slump (showing signs of it), and I wonder what SR is going to do to counter the "high hedge" that folks have been using of late to slow down our 3 point shooting (or 4 point shooting). I also think we have done better about not having our freshman bigs attempt to set screens, and have them roll to the hoop along with the guard - hope to see more of that approach, since our textbook screens still get called moving picks. Did SR drop the play he had last year where either Maddie or Jo would stand at the top of the arc and pretend to be gassed (i.e. hands on knees, making it clear they weren't moving) and let the guard rub their defender off of them? I guess KB and TJ are much more mobile....... Go Beavers! |
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Post by rmancarl on Jan 12, 2020 10:12:55 GMT -8
After reading the comments on this post, I am a bit depressed and feeling a loss coming on. My hope is that the BeaverWBB team members are not feeling the same way.They are the better team.
I doubt that Arizona State players are emotionally spent and ready to concede a one win weekend. In fact, Arizona State has the chance to beat both the #2 and #3 team on the same weekend. Has that ever happened before? That would be a great accomplishment to promote, and a reason to let everyone know they are back. Interersting side note, Arizona State could come out of this weekend 2-0, and Oregon could come out 0-2. Who would have thought that earlier this week? Oregon State, on the other hand, has the pressuer on them of knowing if they win, they will probably be #1 in the country on Monday. Will Oregon State be tight? I think this will tell us a lot about this team. If they drop behind early, and are missing their shots, I would guess that is because they are nervous, and realizing the pressue of that shot at #1.
Arizona State lost a couple early games against Minnesota and Purdue, but they did hang with Arizona and almost beat UCLA on the road before their big victory over Oregon. They have definitely improved their game lately. They are always strong defensively under CTT. Wtih this being a road game, I think the Beavs will have to play better than they played on Friday to win this game. The experience of Mik, Destiny, Aleah, and Maddie will be huge.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 12, 2020 10:16:28 GMT -8
After watching the uck/ASU reply I'm going to say this game is no contest... double digit W. Because... - ucks went thru the motions. From the beginning they seemed dead with short spurts to try and wake up. I like Graves as a recruiter and tactician, but he seemed lost trying to externally motivate this team. The uck team OSU will face beats ASU by 20. - ASU caught lightening in a bottle. Ucks not emotionally or mentally ready and they literally had players play the game of their season. There were literally 'throws' at the hoop that went in. My guess is they game was their season in terms of playing a great team even. Perfect storm so to speak. - emotion. ASU will still be living on that hype. If OSU weathers the early hype and stays under control they will pound out a W. OSU will wear down ASU and when the hype wears off ASU will be emotionally spent. Mentally some of them have probably already accepted that a split vs #2 and #3 is a great weekend. Beavers win by double digits and move to #1. Unfortunately? Fortunately? A cool thing for some reasons, but I've never liked "my team" ranked #1 for many reasons... unless it's after their last game. They shot better from both the floor and behind the arc against UCLA, so it wasn’t like they randomly had a good shooting night and took down Oregon as you’re making it out to be. ASU is a very good team, and a much better team when Jamie Ruden is able to play extended minutes as she did against Oregon. I think they lost by two to UCLA and by five to UA. Also, who on ASU played “the game of their season”? You have a tough time responding to what was actually written. Seemingly just want to argue opinion? Prove your opinion is superior? Lol Who mentioned anything about FG %? Several shots vs the ucks were literally desperation throws in a crowd... two by Ruden, one a 3 pt play. ASU and Zona were not seen as top 4 in the league, actually quite a few votes from it in preseason polls. And, Oregon is not UCLA... talent or coaching wise. Game of their season... you know as a team, beating a team that was #1, is #2, prob would be #1 if they beat ASU and Zona. That game of their season. Very rare to keep that emotional high over a two game span vs another elite team. It's not a conscience thought process, "oh we've done good enough". It's a natural psychological reaction after a huge emotional event when you try to recapture that ability to play with extra emotion. "Let down games", "trap games" are real things. To some other WBB posters... grow the eff up! Speaking of other fan bases read some of our posts. Not only blaming officiating when a game is close, the team plays under expectations in an area, or continuing to post about calls days afterward. BUT, even presupposing that officiating may be an issue before games are played... of course for just OSU other teams never get poor calls playing us! Forget that another team just might out play OSU, it must be some outside conspiracy. An you think other fan bases are arrogant. Lol |
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Post by 411500 on Jan 12, 2020 10:20:08 GMT -8
"I wonder what SR is going to do to counter the "high hedge" that folks have been using of late to slow down our 3 point shooting."
Every team we play for the rest of the season will use the high hedge, cheat defense against our perimeter players...
It is the perfect defence against a team loaded with good 3 point shooters, but weak in dribble penetration, weak in attacking the basket off the dribble...Aleah & Kat will kill you from 3 if you don't cheat (hedge)...
Cheat defence on the perimeter opens the free throw line area - but the Beavs have only one player who consistently hits from that part of the court - Mik Pivec....
Every team we play this year will play the perimeter shooters tight until they prove they can blow by them to the bucket.......
This is why Coach has been forcing Aleah, Kat and even Kennedy to attack on the dribble against weaker teams that we could have easily defeated with 3 shooting only....
Hedge defenses are, in my opinion, the biggest challenge facing the Beavs at this stage of the season......
GO BEAVS.....
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Post by beaveragain on Jan 12, 2020 10:54:35 GMT -8
I don't understand what you guys mean by "high hedge". Hedging as I know it is a way to deal with the pick and roll. What does it have to do with 3 point defense?
Using the pick to open up the 3 shot?
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 12, 2020 11:16:22 GMT -8
I don't understand what you guys mean by "high hedge". Hedging as I know it is a way to deal with the pick and roll. What does it have to do with 3 point defense? Using the pick to open up the 3 shot? I might be using the terminology wrong - I am but a spectator of the sport - but what I mean, and 411500 seems to have understood, is the defensive approach where the big/forward comes out along with the guarding guard and tries to smother our guard with the ball at the arc, or redirect that guard further out and away from the 3 point line. It leaves the high key area unguarded, as well as has the big pulled away from the paint and the big they were defending. (Maybe "cheat" defense is the better term, since the big is "cheating" on defending their player/space in favor of the guard on the outside). Go Beavers! |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jan 12, 2020 12:30:44 GMT -8
They shot better from both the floor and behind the arc against UCLA, so it wasn’t like they randomly had a good shooting night and took down Oregon as you’re making it out to be. ASU is a very good team, and a much better team when Jamie Ruden is able to play extended minutes as she did against Oregon. I think they lost by two to UCLA and by five to UA. Also, who on ASU played “the game of their season”? You have a tough time responding to what was actually written. Seemingly just want to argue opinion? Prove your opinion is superior? Lol Who mentioned anything about FG %? Several shots vs the ucks were literally desperation throws in a crowd... two by Ruden, one a 3 pt play. ASU and Zona were not seen as top 4 in the league, actually quite a few votes from it in preseason polls. And, Oregon is not UCLA... talent or coaching wise. Game of their season... you know as a team, beating a team that was #1, is #2, prob would be #1 if they beat ASU and Zona. That game of their season. Very rare to keep that emotional high over a two game span vs another elite team. It's not a conscience thought process, "oh we've done good enough". It's a natural psychological reaction after a huge emotional event when you try to recapture that ability to play with extra emotion. "Let down games", "trap games" are real things. To some other WBB posters... grow the eff up! Speaking of other fan bases read some of our posts. Not only blaming officiating when a game is close, the team plays under expectations in an area, or continuing to post about calls days afterward. BUT, even presupposing that officiating may be an issue before games are played... of course for just OSU other teams never get poor calls playing us! Forget that another team just might out play OSU, it must be some outside conspiracy. An you think other fan bases are arrogant. Lol I was just simply stating that ASU didn't do anything out of the ordinary, and no players did anything unusual. I don't think anyone else cares what other fan bases think when they read an Oregon State board. You put too much stock into a forum. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 12, 2020 13:58:59 GMT -8
You have a tough time responding to what was actually written. Seemingly just want to argue opinion? Prove your opinion is superior? Lol Who mentioned anything about FG %? Several shots vs the ucks were literally desperation throws in a crowd... two by Ruden, one a 3 pt play. ASU and Zona were not seen as top 4 in the league, actually quite a few votes from it in preseason polls. And, Oregon is not UCLA... talent or coaching wise. Game of their season... you know as a team, beating a team that was #1, is #2, prob would be #1 if they beat ASU and Zona. That game of their season. Very rare to keep that emotional high over a two game span vs another elite team. It's not a conscience thought process, "oh we've done good enough". It's a natural psychological reaction after a huge emotional event when you try to recapture that ability to play with extra emotion. "Let down games", "trap games" are real things. To some other WBB posters... grow the eff up! Speaking of other fan bases read some of our posts. Not only blaming officiating when a game is close, the team plays under expectations in an area, or continuing to post about calls days afterward. BUT, even presupposing that officiating may be an issue before games are played... of course for just OSU other teams never get poor calls playing us! Forget that another team just might out play OSU, it must be some outside conspiracy. An you think other fan bases are arrogant. Lol I was just simply stating that ASU didn't do anything out of the ordinary, and no players did anything unusual. I don't think anyone else cares what other fan bases think when they read an Oregon State board. You put too much stock into a forum. Lol... other fan bases reading our forum? What? I'm speaking of what some of our fans say of other fan bases. Pot... kettle. Glad I could help with comprehension. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 12, 2020 15:51:58 GMT -8
Credit CTT and ASU for another quality game plan and for getting their players to commit to executing it. Against ASU, you can count on being in a war for 40 minutes and have to expect to both give and take a physical pounding because that is what ASU does.
I liked the team's second half rally to tie the game at 45 late. A lot of adversity to deal with today for the Beavs.
The upperclassmen did not shoot well today. The frosh learned what kind of physical effort is needed for 40 minutes to compete with ASU's two platoon system.
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Post by osu82 on Jan 12, 2020 17:01:24 GMT -8
4pt first quarter doomed us early Yep, along with the 10 pt second quarter. Brutal. |
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Post by bdudbeaver on Jan 12, 2020 19:24:03 GMT -8
Let's not "Rush" to any judgement on this team. We didn't really expect them to go undefeated, did we? This was a tough road trip. Let's see if we grow. Go Beavs!
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