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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 10, 2020 8:58:58 GMT -8
I watched uconn 4th quarter last nite . If I did not consider the teams on the floor ( expectations ), I would have said that Baylor was clearly the better team and clearly better coached. Uconn could not buy a hoop and Baylor was hitting everything and getting all the defensive rebounds. I don't think I have ever seen a number 1 play so poorly as a team. Reading a few threads on The Boneyard would lead you to believe that a number of UConn fans are blaming Geno for the loss for the way he game managed and handled the playing time for ONO. UConn will be ready later in the season to challenge for another Final Four berth. The loss last night will likely help UConn in the long run this season. |
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Post by shelby on Jan 10, 2020 10:19:56 GMT -8
Yes , may very well be the way things play out, but- in my limited view, they looked AWFUL last night ( 4th Quarter ).
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Post by willtalk on Jan 10, 2020 11:46:15 GMT -8
Many Boneyard Uconn fan posters delude themselves in how good their team actually is. They put too much value in how many of their players were McDAA or their ratings coming out of high school. The reality is that they are very thin at the post position and if Ono is not effective or gets in foul trouble they have no one to replace her. They also rely too much on too few players. Playing on adrenaline they stayed with Baylor till the last five minutes and then the wheels came off. They were playing well but just ran out of gas allowing Baylor to go on a 15-0 run to end the game.
They do have some first year players who potentially could contribute by March, but that is not a given. If right now their lack of depth will really hurt them against the wrong matchups. Oregon St is one of the teams they would have a hard time matching up with.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 10, 2020 12:10:08 GMT -8
Many Boneyard Uconn fan posters delude themselves in how good their team actually is. They put too much value in how many of their players were McDAA or their ratings coming out of high school. The reality is that they are very thin at the post position and if Ono is not effective or gets in foul trouble they have no one to replace her. They also rely too much on too few players. Playing on adrenaline they stayed with Baylor till the last five minutes and then the wheels came off. They were playing well but just ran out of gas allowing Baylor to go on a 15-0 run to end the game. They do have some first year players who potentially could contribute by March, but that is not a given. If right now their lack of depth will really hurt them against the wrong matchups. Oregon St is one of the teams they would have a hard time matching up with. We also have freshmen posts who are growing in confidence visibly game by game. Not sure whether it will apply to KB and TJ but for many freshmen who start, the grind of their first full season with non-con + conference + conference tourney + NCAA's can start to take its toll after the first 30 or so games. On the other hand, they both look like exceptional athletes to me. |
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Post by markarmour04 on Jan 10, 2020 12:25:35 GMT -8
Many Boneyard Uconn fan posters delude themselves in how good their team actually is. They put too much value in how many of their players were McDAA or their ratings coming out of high school. The reality is that they are very thin at the post position and if Ono is not effective or gets in foul trouble they have no one to replace her. They also rely too much on too few players. Playing on adrenaline they stayed with Baylor till the last five minutes and then the wheels came off. They were playing well but just ran out of gas allowing Baylor to go on a 15-0 run to end the game. They do have some first year players who potentially could contribute by March, but that is not a given. If right now their lack of depth will really hurt them against the wrong matchups. Oregon St is one of the teams they would have a hard time matching up with. We also have freshmen posts who are growing in confidence visibly game by game. Not sure whether it will apply to KB and TJ but for many freshmen who start, the grind of their first full season with non-con + conference + conference tourney + NCAA's can start to take its toll after the first 30 or so games. On the other hand, they both look like exceptional athletes to me. If you think back to Taya and Mikayla, the last two Beaver freshman starters, you will see that both played their best basketball at the end of their freshman seasons. The 2017 team faded on offense, and Mik was an important scorer in the post-season -- she was the player who was *least* worn out. In 2018 run, Taya was a beast in the tournament, including playing all 40 minutes against Baylor in the Sweet 16. Looking back to Katie in 2016, same thing: her role grew during the post-season and she made big shots *in the Final Four*. These kids have been playing basketball for their whole lives. I expect both Taylor and Kennedy will be stronger and better players in March than they are today. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 10, 2020 12:36:49 GMT -8
We also have freshmen posts who are growing in confidence visibly game by game. Not sure whether it will apply to KB and TJ but for many freshmen who start, the grind of their first full season with non-con + conference + conference tourney + NCAA's can start to take its toll after the first 30 or so games. On the other hand, they both look like exceptional athletes to me. If you think back to Taya and Mikayla, the last two Beaver freshman starters, you will see that both played their best basketball at the end of their freshman seasons. The 2017 team faded on offense, and Mik was an important scorer in the post-season -- she was the player who was *least* worn out. In 2018 run, Taya was a beast in the tournament, including playing all 40 minutes against Baylor in the Sweet 16. Looking back to Katie in 2016, same thing: her role grew during the post-season and she made big shots *in the Final Four*. These kids have been playing basketball for their whole lives. I expect both Taylor and Kennedy will be stronger and better players in March than they are today. I hope you’re right. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Jan 10, 2020 13:54:08 GMT -8
I watched uconn 4th quarter last nite . If I did not consider the teams on the floor ( expectations ), I would have said that Baylor was clearly the better team and clearly better coached. Uconn could not buy a hoop and Baylor was hitting everything and getting all the defensive rebounds. I don't think I have ever seen a number 1 play so poorly as a team. Reading a few threads on The Boneyard would lead you to believe that a number of UConn fans are blaming Geno for the loss for the way he game managed and handled the playing time for ONO. UConn will be ready later in the season to challenge for another Final Four berth. The loss last night will likely help UConn in the long run this season. With great accomplishment over extended periods of time comes unrealistic expectations from some fans and boosters. As everybody knows, UCLA under John Wooden won 7 NCAA championships in a row. They lost in the Final Four in 1974, and then won again in 1975 in Wooden's last game. Immediately after, one big time UCLA booster gave Wooden a congratulatory hand shake on the court and told him, "This almost makes up for last year." Geno has to deal with nonsense like that as well. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 10, 2020 14:09:36 GMT -8
If you think back to Taya and Mikayla, the last two Beaver freshman starters, you will see that both played their best basketball at the end of their freshman seasons. The 2017 team faded on offense, and Mik was an important scorer in the post-season -- she was the player who was *least* worn out. In 2018 run, Taya was a beast in the tournament, including playing all 40 minutes against Baylor in the Sweet 16. Looking back to Katie in 2016, same thing: her role grew during the post-season and she made big shots *in the Final Four*. These kids have been playing basketball for their whole lives. I expect both Taylor and Kennedy will be stronger and better players in March than they are today. I hope you’re right. A bit of memory loss in his post... Taya played 40 vs UT, 35 vs Baylor. Her scoring was pretty steady throughout the season at 6.8 pts/game. Her 5 post season games (including Pac12 tourney) were... 0, 4, 7, 11, 11 @6.6 pts per. Her rebounding steady at 4.2/g... postseason was up a tad... 3, 8, 9, 4, 6 @ 6.0 per. Mik's scoring in the postseason did increase... until Baylor... 14, 15, 18, 7, 5 @ 11.8 pts per vs her season of 10.9 per. Rebounding was below her 7.1/g in the regular season... 7, 3, 7, 7, 4 @5.6 per. Both were certainly huge contributors, but neither got stronger, or were "beasts". The level of play itself is a big adjustment for frosh. Our posts have yet to face the real Pac12 juggernauts. I seriously doubt they will be stronger in games 30 thru ??. Plus they both are not near the athletes Mik and Taya were as frosh. Their next big adjustments are yet to come. |
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Post by markarmour04 on Jan 10, 2020 14:35:31 GMT -8
I was writing, of course, about Mikayla’s freshman year (they did not play Baylor) so I assume you used some other games. But the fact that Taya has similar numbers against the better quality teams in the post-season than she did in the regular season sort of proves my point.
Consider this argument to be in anticipation of the “Taylor had fewer points against Louisville in the National semis than she did against Southern Utah she must be tired” post.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 10, 2020 14:51:34 GMT -8
I was writing, of course, about Mikayla’s freshman year (they did not play Baylor) so I assume you used some other games. But the fact that Taya has similar numbers against the better quality teams in the post-season than she did in the regular season sort of proves my point. Consider this argument to be in anticipation of the “Taylor had fewer points against Louisville in the National semis than she did against Southern Utah she must be tired” post. First, I believe (without looking) you stated they got stronger, was a beast. They didn't. And, not all postseason opponents were stronger than the Pac12 teams they faced. Mik's frosh postseason not much different than Taya's. Stats remarkably similar... scoring and rebounding in the same (5) amount of games... (2) in Pac12 tourney. Scored... 15, 8, 10, 9, 8 @10 per vs 7.0 in first 31 games. Rebounds... 8, 2, 7, 7, 7 @6.2 vs 4.8 before. My point was to point out a falsehood by memory. As good as they were they certainly did not show any statistical increase to say they got stronger. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 10, 2020 15:16:27 GMT -8
Baseba1111 is also leaving out Mik's 17 points, 8 boards game that she recorded against Cal in the first round of the PAC-12 tourney in March 2017 that kickstarted her frosh postseason. Add in that game and her postseason averages are more impressive and do support the poster's point above that Mik was not worn down by the postseason. She upped her scoring and rebounding and was probably the Beavs #2 scorer during the team's six postseason games in 2017.
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Post by markarmour04 on Jan 10, 2020 16:05:50 GMT -8
I wasn’t just relying on statistics. Many observers noted in 2017 that Mik had become a star, likely their second best player at the end of the year while the team struggled to score points. And Taya — in Tennessee and Baylor games the Beavers faced two All-American posts, and Rueck specifically called out Taya on National TV after each game. I am 100% comfortable that both Mik and Taya were playing the best basketball of their lives at the very end of their freshman seasons. If other people disagree, I am OK with that.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 10, 2020 20:23:00 GMT -8
First, I believe (without looking) you stated they got stronger, was a beast. They didn't. And, not all postseason opponents were stronger than the Pac12 teams they faced. Mik's frosh postseason not much different than Taya's. Stats remarkably similar... scoring and rebounding in the same (5) amount of games... (2) in Pac12 tourney. Scored... 15, 8, 10, 9, 8 @10 per vs 7.0 in first 31 games. Rebounds... 8, 2, 7, 7, 7 @6.2 vs 4.8 before. My point was to point out a falsehood by memory. As good as they were they certainly did not show any statistical increase to say they got stronger. In other words, you're NOT OWNING your "Baylor" blunder.
"I wasn't wrong, I was simply mistaken."
What Baylor blunder? I didn't state she played 40 min?? As usual you blunder into a conversation with no clue. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 10, 2020 20:42:32 GMT -8
Baseba1111 is also leaving out Mik's 17 points, 8 boards game that she recorded against Cal in the first round of the PAC-12 tourney in March 2017 that kickstarted her frosh postseason. Add in that game and her postseason averages are more impressive and do support the poster's point above that Mik was not worn down by the postseason. She upped her scoring and rebounding and was probably the Beavs #2 scorer during the team's six postseason games in 2017. Lol... Didn't leave anything out. It was a common 5 game comparison that began with Taya's freshman season. Worn down vs stronger. It was stated she and Taya were stronger. I didn't counter that they were necessarily worn down. Mik averaged 10 pts/g in the post season. However 16.0 in the first two games of the Pac12 tourney. Then on the 3rd of three straight just 8, and only 9.0 the last 3. Two of which weren't superior opponents. As stated they each didn't get stronger in the post season. Both stayed pretty consistent to their regular seasons. Equine sufficiently pummeled. |
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Post by lotrader on Jan 10, 2020 21:42:39 GMT -8
Many Boneyard Uconn fan posters delude themselves in how good their team actually is. They put too much value in how many of their players were McDAA or their ratings coming out of high school. The reality is that they are very thin at the post position and if Ono is not effective or gets in foul trouble they have no one to replace her. They also rely too much on too few players. Playing on adrenaline they stayed with Baylor till the last five minutes and then the wheels came off. They were playing well but just ran out of gas allowing Baylor to go on a 15-0 run to end the game. They do have some first year players who potentially could contribute by March, but that is not a given. If right now their lack of depth will really hurt them against the wrong matchups. Oregon St is one of the teams they would have a hard time matching up with. willtalk, you speak the truth. I had to depart the Boneyard--delusional is being kind. The Boneyard UCONN fans have a sense of entitlement. UCONN will have a BIG issue getting to the Final 4, because at some point, they will have to play a PAC-12 team. Hope it is OSU that breaks their Final 4 streak. |
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