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Post by rafer on Jan 10, 2020 12:15:39 GMT -8
Again Thompson is not a point guard. WT had most of Nov and all of Dec to get hunt with some playing experience but decided to sit him most of the time and stubbornly play Ethan as the really only point. In my opinion it's terrible coaching. OR, maybe he's the best option?? Hunt has shown little at this point to warrant being the starter at this point. He's had a few good moments, but I'm guessing WT is not stupid, contrary to most on here, and possibly Hunt has not shown it in practice yet. He may develop, I certainly hope, or not, but second guessing what any coach sees that makes players starters is fan talk. If he earns it I'm pretty sure the coaches will notice.. And yes it's frustrating.....
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Post by beavadelic on Jan 10, 2020 18:51:56 GMT -8
WT seat is getting warmer. He isn’t a good recruiter that what shown tonight. What’s going to happen next year after Tres, KK and maybe ET are gone. Only ONE good win against Colorado last week. This season isn’t any better than last year 18-13. So disappointed this time. Not sure why everyone is disappointed, looks like many/most on here want this team to implode, so we can hire Coach Magic to coach them, who ever that is. I don't get the reasoning, but I'm sure it's well thought out.............negative comments, fire everybody comments, FAR outnumber any semblance of hope or positive comments.....doomsday.............. Just speaking from my own experience, men’s basketball is just too disheartening. The overall record has not been horrible the past few years, but the schedule has been uninspiring and the consistency nowhere near where it should be if we are to get off of this hamster habitrail that we’ve been on for almost 30 years. One appearance in the Big Dance and one in the NIT over that span just fails to inspire. It feels like Groundhogs Day with every edition. We aren’t as talented as the top flight teams in our league (with almost ANY, really), but we are very experienced, and have played Oregon even the past few years. If that same team that has at least played the ducks even over the last 4 or 5 years would play some semblance of that level for the remainder of their 30+ game schedule, things would be different. I can almost guarantee that the moment that the Beavs make me want to start caring each year, they’ll go out and drop a big turd. I have seldom (if ever) come on the board and called for WT’s head, and I am not quick to support the general idea of perpetually starting over every 4 or 5 years, but I just fear that there may be too many of us in Beaver Nation who have just had it with men’s hoops. It’s unreasonable to think that we should be in the Dance all the time, or even 4 of every 5 years at this point given the relatively low opinion of the power of the PAC 12 by comparison to other Power 5 conferences, but to only get there 1 time in 3 decades - and though he’s the only one to get us there during that futile span, WT has only done it one time in 5 seasons (this being #6...TBA) - is pathetic. By this point in his tenure, we should get a bid to either the NCAA tourney or NIT at least 3 out of every 5 years. I don’t know the answer here, but we just keep spinning wheels and it’s not fun for me anymore.
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Post by sagebrush on Jan 12, 2020 5:41:15 GMT -8
Agree, and apathy is spreading,.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 12, 2020 9:04:53 GMT -8
Not sure why everyone is disappointed, looks like many/most on here want this team to implode, so we can hire Coach Magic to coach them, who ever that is. I don't get the reasoning, but I'm sure it's well thought out.............negative comments, fire everybody comments, FAR outnumber any semblance of hope or positive comments.....doomsday.............. Just speaking from my own experience, men’s basketball is just too disheartening. The overall record has not been horrible the past few years, but the schedule has been uninspiring and the consistency nowhere near where it should be if we are to get off of this hamster habitrail that we’ve been on for almost 30 years. One appearance in the Big Dance and one in the NIT over that span just fails to inspire. It feels like Groundhogs Day with every edition. We aren’t as talented as the top flight teams in our league (with almost ANY, really), but we are very experienced, and have played Oregon even the past few years. If that same team that has at least played the ducks even over the last 4 or 5 years would play some semblance of that level for the remainder of their 30+ game schedule, things would be different. I can almost guarantee that the moment that the Beavs make me want to start caring each year, they’ll go out and drop a big turd. I have seldom (if ever) come on the board and called for WT’s head, and I am not quick to support the general idea of perpetually starting over every 4 or 5 years, but I just fear that there may be too many of us in Beaver Nation who have just had it with men’s hoops. It’s unreasonable to think that we should be in the Dance all the time, or even 4 of every 5 years at this point given the relatively low opinion of the power of the PAC 12 by comparison to other Power 5 conferences, but to only get there 1 time in 3 decades - and though he’s the only one to get us there during that futile span, WT has only done it one time in 5 seasons (this being #6...TBA) - is pathetic. By this point in his tenure, we should get a bid to either the NCAA tourney or NIT at least 3 out of every 5 years. I don’t know the answer here, but we just keep spinning wheels and it’s not fun for me anymore. 3 out of 5? This season there’s a real good shot of making it into one of those tourneys for the third time in 6 years. Considering he came into a basketball program that made it ONE time in 23 years he’s really not far off the mark. Sheesh, people might as well blame him for the previous 23 years.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 12, 2020 13:49:02 GMT -8
Just speaking from my own experience, men’s basketball is just too disheartening. The overall record has not been horrible the past few years, but the schedule has been uninspiring and the consistency nowhere near where it should be if we are to get off of this hamster habitrail that we’ve been on for almost 30 years. One appearance in the Big Dance and one in the NIT over that span just fails to inspire. It feels like Groundhogs Day with every edition. We aren’t as talented as the top flight teams in our league (with almost ANY, really), but we are very experienced, and have played Oregon even the past few years. If that same team that has at least played the ducks even over the last 4 or 5 years would play some semblance of that level for the remainder of their 30+ game schedule, things would be different. I can almost guarantee that the moment that the Beavs make me want to start caring each year, they’ll go out and drop a big turd. I have seldom (if ever) come on the board and called for WT’s head, and I am not quick to support the general idea of perpetually starting over every 4 or 5 years, but I just fear that there may be too many of us in Beaver Nation who have just had it with men’s hoops. It’s unreasonable to think that we should be in the Dance all the time, or even 4 of every 5 years at this point given the relatively low opinion of the power of the PAC 12 by comparison to other Power 5 conferences, but to only get there 1 time in 3 decades - and though he’s the only one to get us there during that futile span, WT has only done it one time in 5 seasons (this being #6...TBA) - is pathetic. By this point in his tenure, we should get a bid to either the NCAA tourney or NIT at least 3 out of every 5 years. I don’t know the answer here, but we just keep spinning wheels and it’s not fun for me anymore. 3 out of 5? This season there’s a real good shot of making it into one of those tourneys for the third time in 6 years. Considering he came into a basketball program that made it ONE time in 23 years he’s really not far off the mark. Sheesh, people might as well blame him for the previous 23 years. I tend to agree that, if the basketball program was working like it is supposed to, you would expect a decent Pac-12 team to make the Tourney or NIT 2-3 times every five years. Having said that, I think that last year was an NIT-worthy year. The Pac-12 did not do well enough in non-conference play to get Oregon State in. But the Beavers were clearly better than several teams that made the NCAA Tourney or NIT last year. The Big East teams, in particular, were grossly overrated to the detriment of Oregon State. The issues with the basketball program are more far-reaching than poor coaching and start with the athletic department as a whole. Considering the headwinds, I think that Tinkle has done a good job. There are undoubtedly better coaches out there, but I am personally aware of none that would consider coaching at Oregon State next year, so a lot of the weeping, moaning, and rending of clothes is all rather pointless IMHO.
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Post by azbeaver on Jan 12, 2020 15:21:39 GMT -8
So this is my issue with WT(or our future coach) and MBB right now.
I get it that we cant get the recuits that WBB does because we havent had any recent success. After watching the ASU game or any other game against any major school this year, would you come here? Probably not unless you have a connection. The only "talented" recruits that have stayed at OSU have been the ones related to the coaches (there have been many defection but thats a completely different matter). So our roster is basically made up of guys that were just happy to get a major college scholarship offer and you cant win with that.
Unless........
There is some major player development going on. And this is where WT falls short and why we need to make a change. We have given him the time to get "his" guys. But "his" guys have never developed into contributing players after 6 seasons. Can you name a player that would even be recruited by a major college after 4 season under WT (other the a son of a coach, who were developed before getting to OSU and WT)? I cant. Some might say Kylor Kelley, but he wasnt even recruited by WT, he basically fell into our lap and can you imagine the last 2 seasons without that gift (and do you really notice him better this year than he was last year?).
So i have no expectations for the rest of the season. I dont expect us to make any post season tournament, but what i will be watching for is to see if the other guys are a lot better by the end of the season.
If we do decide to move on from WT, which i HOPE we do, we need a coach with proven player development regardless of what level he is coaching at.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 12, 2020 15:54:55 GMT -8
So this is my issue with WT(or our future coach) and MBB right now. I get it that we cant get the recuits that WBB does because we havent had any recent success. After watching the ASU game or any other game against any major school this year, would you come here? Probably not unless you have a connection. The only "talented" recruits that have stayed at OSU have been the ones related to the coaches (there have been many defection but thats a completely different matter). So our roster is basically made up of guys that were just happy to get a major college scholarship offer and you cant win with that. Unless........ There is some major player development going on. And this is where WT falls short and why we need to make a change. We have given him the time to get "his" guys. But "his" guys have never developed into contributing players after 6 seasons. Can you name a player that would even be recruited by a major college after 4 season under WT (other the a son of a coach, who were developed before getting to OSU and WT)? I cant. Some might say Kylor Kelley, but he wasnt even recruited by WT, he basically fell into our lap and can you imagine the last 2 seasons without that gift (and do you really notice him better this year than he was last year?). So i have no expectations for the rest of the season. I dont expect us to make any post season tournament, but what i will be watching for is to see if the other guys are a lot better by the end of the season. If we do decide to move on from WT, which i HOPE we do, we need a coach with proven player development regardless of what level he is coaching at. The answer would be Eubanks. Of course, he left early, so I guess WT did too good of a job developing him. And WT absolutely recruited Kelley. Don’t know where you got that info.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 12, 2020 18:06:31 GMT -8
Just speaking from my own experience, men’s basketball is just too disheartening. The overall record has not been horrible the past few years, but the schedule has been uninspiring and the consistency nowhere near where it should be if we are to get off of this hamster habitrail that we’ve been on for almost 30 years. One appearance in the Big Dance and one in the NIT over that span just fails to inspire. It feels like Groundhogs Day with every edition. We aren’t as talented as the top flight teams in our league (with almost ANY, really), but we are very experienced, and have played Oregon even the past few years. If that same team that has at least played the ducks even over the last 4 or 5 years would play some semblance of that level for the remainder of their 30+ game schedule, things would be different. I can almost guarantee that the moment that the Beavs make me want to start caring each year, they’ll go out and drop a big turd. I have seldom (if ever) come on the board and called for WT’s head, and I am not quick to support the general idea of perpetually starting over every 4 or 5 years, but I just fear that there may be too many of us in Beaver Nation who have just had it with men’s hoops. It’s unreasonable to think that we should be in the Dance all the time, or even 4 of every 5 years at this point given the relatively low opinion of the power of the PAC 12 by comparison to other Power 5 conferences, but to only get there 1 time in 3 decades - and though he’s the only one to get us there during that futile span, WT has only done it one time in 5 seasons (this being #6...TBA) - is pathetic. By this point in his tenure, we should get a bid to either the NCAA tourney or NIT at least 3 out of every 5 years. I don’t know the answer here, but we just keep spinning wheels and it’s not fun for me anymore. 3 out of 5? This season there’s a real good shot of making it into one of those tourneys for the third time in 6 years. Considering he came into a basketball program that made it ONE time in 23 years he’s really not far off the mark. Sheesh, people might as well blame him for the previous 23 years. Wait... 3rd? WT has been in a postseason tourney ONE time. PERIOD. There's no BS that OSU should have or was better than other teams selected. Invited or not. Period. Opinions don't count. If he makes any tourney this season it'll be #2 in 6 years.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 12, 2020 18:34:48 GMT -8
Dont know what I was thinking there. Yep, just once in 5. Hopefully 2 in 6. Like I've said in the past, I'm withholding judgement until later. 2 in 6 works for me for now, beats the heck out of where we've been. If it doesn't happen he deserves a hot ssat.
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