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Post by beaverdreams on Jan 9, 2020 22:43:33 GMT -8
Fault could be placed in so many places.... Hunt tried to play too much playground ball at points, and was selfish....we're best when we're moving the ball around and passing. And Kelly, good lord he is frustrating; only because there's so much untapped potential there. He needs to start going in strong and finishing plays. He is the king of barely missing lay ups, getting fouled, and missing free throws. It's excruciating and a real momentum swing. Tinkle needs to start being more selfish I'm afraid...he waited too long. I guess that contradicts what I said earlier about moving the ball around, but he's the exception.....get in there and get fouled or get a close look.
Oh, and now the perfect storm for torpedoing the start to the league season, an angry Zona team coming in after losing a game they should have won by ten down in the Dirty Euge.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 9, 2020 22:44:51 GMT -8
I'll give one positive before disappearing into a state of apathy until the UA game, cause I just don't have it in me to get pissed off anymore at games like this. I at the very least appreciate WT's approach to in-game coaching. In the 2nd half #10, House from ASU fouls Antoine at half court and gives us a cheap 1 and 1 (which he missed the front end of, but not the point). So Hurley immediately yanks him and then just reams the kid his entire walk off the court. Kid has his head down, and sulks to the bench.
Later in the game the play where after Gianni gets a steal and then goes up but tries a behind the back pass and turns it back over when just going to the hoop either results in a lay-in or in all likelihood a foul call, Wayne pulls him but instead of just screaming at him as he comes off the court, he sits him down, talks him through the play, then pats him on the back and puts him right back in. I'm as frustrated as anyone about this game and result, but I at the very least am glad we have a coach that goes about coaching up his players the right way during the course of a game. I don't think I could support this program with a clown like Hurley as the HC.
Just my $0.02. Otherwise the game sucked. Any chance to build off a good win last week was gone before half. But still am glad we have a coach I can at least feel good about supporting. I want nothing more than for WT to be the right guy for the job and there's still 16+ games to go to prove that he is, but it is hard for me to get excited about these teams anymore. On to a likely pissed off UA.
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Post by beaverdreams on Jan 9, 2020 22:46:06 GMT -8
I'll give one positive before disappearing into a state of apathy until the UA game, cause I just don't have it in me to get pissed off anymore at games like this. I at the very least appreciate WT's approach to in-game coaching. In the 2nd half #10 House from ASU fouls Antoine at half court and gives us a cheap 1 and 1 (which he missed the front end of, but not the point). So Hurley immediately yanks him and then just reams the kid his entire walk off the court. Kid has his head down, and sulks to the bench. Later in the game the play where after Gianni gets a steal and then goes up but tries a behind the back pass and turns it back over when just going to the hoop either results in a lay-in or in all likelihood a foul call, Wayne pulls him but instead of just screaming at him as he comes off the court, he sits him down, talks him through the play, then pats him on the back and puts him right back in. I'm as frustrated as anyone about this game and result, but I at the very least am glad we have a coach that goes about coaching up his players the right way during the course of a game. I don't think I could support this program with a clown like Hurley as the HC. Just my $0.02. Otherwise the game sucked. Any chance to build off a good win last week was gone before half. But still am glad we have a coach I can at least feel good about supporting. I want nothing more than for WT to be the right guy for the job and there's still 16+ games to go to prove that he is, but it is hard for me to get excited about these teams anymore. On to a likely pissed off UA. I saw that too....... they can have Bobby....what a turd.
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Post by pcm on Jan 9, 2020 22:48:24 GMT -8
I'll give one positive before disappearing into a state of apathy until the UA game, cause I just don't have it in me to get pissed off anymore at games like this. I at the very least appreciate WT's approach to in-game coaching. In the 2nd half #10, House from ASU fouls Antoine at half court and gives us a cheap 1 and 1 (which he missed the front end of, but not the point). So Hurley immediately yanks him and then just reams the kid his entire walk off the court. Kid has his head down, and sulks to the bench. Later in the game the play where after Gianni gets a steal and then goes up but tries a behind the back pass and turns it back over when just going to the hoop either results in a lay-in or in all likelihood a foul call, Wayne pulls him but instead of just screaming at him as he comes off the court, he sits him down, talks him through the play, then pats him on the back and puts him right back in. I'm as frustrated as anyone about this game and result, but I at the very least am glad we have a coach that goes about coaching up his players the right way during the course of a game. I don't think I could support this program with a clown like Hurley as the HC. Just my $0.02. Otherwise the game sucked. Any chance to build off a good win last week was gone before half. But still am glad we have a coach I can at least feel good about supporting. I want nothing more than for WT to be the right guy for the job and there's still 16+ games to go to prove that he is, but it is hard for me to get excited about these teams anymore. On to a likely pissed off UA. Bobby is a total nut case. It's also clear Wayne loves these boys and they do appear to love him back and respond to him. Just frustrating we can never put it all together
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Post by blastingsand on Jan 9, 2020 23:37:26 GMT -8
If this team cannot hold steady this season, I don't know what to say. WT has had the best roster to start off with in his Pac-12 coaching era and have produced very little.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 10, 2020 6:32:12 GMT -8
One step forward, one step back Paula Abdul? Was that the dude with the sky hook?
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Post by chicagobeav on Jan 10, 2020 8:09:27 GMT -8
Was frustrated that the team that I expected to see only started showing up with 5 minutes left in the game, when we are already down big. Want to see our juniors and seniors asserting themselves throughout the game. Way toooooo many “dead zones” where our offense and defense just disappear... these are the times when your leaders need to step up and carry the team for a bit, hit some shots, rally your teammates with your play.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 10, 2020 8:30:43 GMT -8
WT is definitely not the right man for the job, period! I don’t care if some of you disagreed. I know will take a lot of money to hire the right coach someday. Thanks God for #3 WBB. the difference between the 2 programs, re:recruiting is stunning. WBB is frequently in the top 3 to 7 schools for several elite HS players...whereas the majority of the MBB program’s decent talent in the recent past are the sons of the coaching staff. I recognize that, nationally, WBB recruitment and MBB recruiting are apples to oranges . The main factors in men’s, not typically present in women’s, revolve around $$ for elite recruits . At the least, $$ following an uber talented HS player’s one season of NCAA ball...and no doubt in some cases $$ just for showing up at XYZ University . What remains true however in comparing WBB & MBB at OSU is that Rueck inherited a total wreck of a program and took it to the stars....and WT inherited a ‘down’ program & has improved it only marginally...partially with the sons of coaches.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 10, 2020 9:33:31 GMT -8
WT is definitely not the right man for the job, period! I don’t care if some of you disagreed. I know will take a lot of money to hire the right coach someday. Thanks God for #3 WBB. the difference between the 2 programs, re:recruiting is stunning. WBB is frequently in the top 3 to 7 schools for several elite HS players...whereas the majority of the MBB program’s decent talent in the recent past are the sons of the coaching staff. I recognize that, nationally, WBB recruitment and MBB recruiting are apples to oranges . The main factors in men’s, not typically present in women’s, revolve around $$ for elite recruits . At the least, $$ following an uber talented HS player’s one season of NCAA ball...and no doubt in some cases $$ just for showing up at XYZ University . What remains true however in comparing WBB & MBB at OSU is that Rueck inherited a total wreck of a program and took it to the stars....and WT inherited a ‘down’ program & has improved it only marginally...partially with the sons of coaches. Forgotten is the fact that Spoelstra took the women to the WNIT 4 times and Wagoner took the women to the WNIT 2 times in the 9-10 seasons prior to Rueck's arrival. The men's team made it that far once in 24-25 seasons prior to Tinkle's arrival. I'd think it quite fair to call the men's program a total wreck at the time Tinkle arrived. He hasn't taken it to the stars, but he's improved it.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 10, 2020 9:43:58 GMT -8
Again Thompson is not a point guard. WT had most of Nov and all of Dec to get hunt with some playing experience but decided to sit him most of the time and stubbornly play Ethan as the really only point. In my opinion it's terrible coaching.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 10, 2020 10:17:07 GMT -8
the difference between the 2 programs, re:recruiting is stunning. WBB is frequently in the top 3 to 7 schools for several elite HS players...whereas the majority of the MBB program’s decent talent in the recent past are the sons of the coaching staff. I recognize that, nationally, WBB recruitment and MBB recruiting are apples to oranges . The main factors in men’s, not typically present in women’s, revolve around $$ for elite recruits . At the least, $$ following an uber talented HS player’s one season of NCAA ball...and no doubt in some cases $$ just for showing up at XYZ University . What remains true however in comparing WBB & MBB at OSU is that Rueck inherited a total wreck of a program and took it to the stars....and WT inherited a ‘down’ program & has improved it only marginally...partially with the sons of coaches. Forgotten is the fact that Spoelstra took the women to the WNIT 4 times and Wagoner took the women to the WNIT 2 times in the 9-10 seasons prior to Rueck's arrival. The men's team made it that far once in 24-25 seasons prior to Tinkle's arrival. I'd think it quite fair to call the men's program a total wreck at the time Tinkle arrived. He hasn't taken it to the stars, but he's improved it. Improved it? Yes, he has. Is it good enough? Not for me. And I have a feeling WT is topped out.
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Post by bvrblvr on Jan 10, 2020 10:47:27 GMT -8
Well... then you've not been to many home games. Try Seattle U as the all time worst... most embarrassing... Maybe Western??? I'll stop there... Montana St Billings in 1996 was even worse than Western The worst I've ever seen was the 2013 CBI opener loss at Gill versus Radford. It was spring break I believe so there was not a student to be found. The only people in the gym were the teams, the coaching staffs, the refs, and the press row folks it felt like. OSU was not interested in the least. Lost to a team that went 10-6 in the Big South Conference.
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Post by ricke71 on Jan 10, 2020 11:15:00 GMT -8
the difference between the 2 programs, re:recruiting is stunning. WBB is frequently in the top 3 to 7 schools for several elite HS players...whereas the majority of the MBB program’s decent talent in the recent past are the sons of the coaching staff. I recognize that, nationally, WBB recruitment and MBB recruiting are apples to oranges . The main factors in men’s, not typically present in women’s, revolve around $$ for elite recruits . At the least, $$ following an uber talented HS player’s one season of NCAA ball...and no doubt in some cases $$ just for showing up at XYZ University . What remains true however in comparing WBB & MBB at OSU is that Rueck inherited a total wreck of a program and took it to the stars....and WT inherited a ‘down’ program & has improved it only marginally...partially with the sons of coaches. Forgotten is the fact that Spoelstra took the women to the WNIT 4 times and Wagoner took the women to the WNIT 2 times in the 9-10 seasons prior to Rueck's arrival. The men's team made it that far once in 24-25 seasons prior to Tinkle's arrival. I'd think it quite fair to call the men's program a total wreck at the time Tinkle arrived. He hasn't taken it to the stars, but he's improved it. All 'wrecks' aren't equal. In the two seasons prior to Rueck, WBB in PAC 12 were 4-32. In the two seasons prior to Tinkle, MBB in PAC 12 were 12-24.
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 10, 2020 11:18:39 GMT -8
Forgotten is the fact that Spoelstra took the women to the WNIT 4 times and Wagoner took the women to the WNIT 2 times in the 9-10 seasons prior to Rueck's arrival. The men's team made it that far once in 24-25 seasons prior to Tinkle's arrival. I'd think it quite fair to call the men's program a total wreck at the time Tinkle arrived. He hasn't taken it to the stars, but he's improved it. Improved it? Yes, he has. Is it good enough? Not for me. And I have a feeling WT is topped out. Much more succinct than my post this morning in the What Better Coach Could Beavs Get thread, but this is where I am. Some may not think he has the program in a better place, but I do. But just not happy where the ceiling appears to be.
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Post by rafer on Jan 10, 2020 12:06:51 GMT -8
WT seat is getting warmer. He isn’t a good recruiter that what shown tonight. What’s going to happen next year after Tres, KK and maybe ET are gone. Only ONE good win against Colorado last week. This season isn’t any better than last year 18-13. So disappointed this time. Not sure why everyone is disappointed, looks like many/most on here want this team to implode, so we can hire Coach Magic to coach them, who ever that is. I don't get the reasoning, but I'm sure it's well thought out.............negative comments, fire everybody comments, FAR outnumber any semblance of hope or positive comments.....doomsday..............
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