|
|
Post by TheGlove on Jan 8, 2020 13:58:40 GMT -8
Now that is a great basketball story....Great on the personal side, great on the celebrity side.... GO BEAVS !! So often, when the topic is comparing our athletes to those at Oregon, it seems to boil down to some hype in our favor based mostly on our disdain. For our rival. In this case, I honestly can say that it’s not bias driving my thought that I’d rather have Mik than Sabrina. Ionescu is a tremendous all-around player, quite possibly the best in the country honestly. She is probably a better shooter than Mik with more range and a better passer. Mik is really good at both too. Mik is a better rebounder and defender, but Sabrina is really good on the boards and an adequate defender. Both fill stat sheets, are incredibly tough and competitive, and make their teammates better. Though the Big I gets the triple-double attention (and it’s impressive), Mik is not far behind. The difference is the way that lead, and honestly boils down to character, IMO. Not intending to impugn Sabrina’s character, but she presents as much more self-focused. It showed in the recruiting process and it’s repeatedly reared it’s head with teammates and opposing fans. Michael Jordan was reportedly a massive jerk to teammates in his singular pursuit of personal achievement his teammates indulged him. He was so good that they put up with it and who could argue with the results. If it’s only about winning, Sabrina is no problem. On the other hand, Mik is unbelievably humble and gracious. In the spirit of her coach and our program, she fully embodies the “team-first” ethic, and it’s no act. She’s very bright and engaging, and the way she makes everyone better is by running through brick walls for her coach and teammates. As a hoops fan, I’d be thrilled with either. However, I truly feel that if I had to choose one, we got the best of that deal! All along I thought Jordan’s singular pursuit was Championships which are inherently team achievements, not personal. |
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2020 14:03:42 GMT -8
So often, when the topic is comparing our athletes to those at Oregon, it seems to boil down to some hype in our favor based mostly on our disdain. For our rival. In this case, I honestly can say that it’s not bias driving my thought that I’d rather have Mik than Sabrina. Ionescu is a tremendous all-around player, quite possibly the best in the country honestly. She is probably a better shooter than Mik with more range and a better passer. Mik is really good at both too. Mik is a better rebounder and defender, but Sabrina is really good on the boards and an adequate defender. Both fill stat sheets, are incredibly tough and competitive, and make their teammates better. Though the Big I gets the triple-double attention (and it’s impressive), Mik is not far behind. The difference is the way that lead, and honestly boils down to character, IMO. Not intending to impugn Sabrina’s character, but she presents as much more self-focused. It showed in the recruiting process and it’s repeatedly reared it’s head with teammates and opposing fans. Michael Jordan was reportedly a massive jerk to teammates in his singular pursuit of personal achievement his teammates indulged him. He was so good that they put up with it and who could argue with the results. If it’s only about winning, Sabrina is no problem. On the other hand, Mik is unbelievably humble and gracious. In the spirit of her coach and our program, she fully embodies the “team-first” ethic, and it’s no act. She’s very bright and engaging, and the way she makes everyone better is by running through brick walls for her coach and teammates. As a hoops fan, I’d be thrilled with either. However, I truly feel that if I had to choose one, we got the best of that deal! All along I thought Jordan’s singular pursuit was Championships which are inherently team achievements, not personal. Finally, I know what the Blazers drafted Bowie. Didn't want that jerk Jordan on the team...... |
|
|
|
Post by beavadelic on Jan 8, 2020 15:14:55 GMT -8
So often, when the topic is comparing our athletes to those at Oregon, it seems to boil down to some hype in our favor based mostly on our disdain. For our rival. In this case, I honestly can say that it’s not bias driving my thought that I’d rather have Mik than Sabrina. Ionescu is a tremendous all-around player, quite possibly the best in the country honestly. She is probably a better shooter than Mik with more range and a better passer. Mik is really good at both too. Mik is a better rebounder and defender, but Sabrina is really good on the boards and an adequate defender. Both fill stat sheets, are incredibly tough and competitive, and make their teammates better. Though the Big I gets the triple-double attention (and it’s impressive), Mik is not far behind. The difference is the way that lead, and honestly boils down to character, IMO. Not intending to impugn Sabrina’s character, but she presents as much more self-focused. It showed in the recruiting process and it’s repeatedly reared it’s head with teammates and opposing fans. Michael Jordan was reportedly a massive jerk to teammates in his singular pursuit of personal achievement his teammates indulged him. He was so good that they put up with it and who could argue with the results. If it’s only about winning, Sabrina is no problem. On the other hand, Mik is unbelievably humble and gracious. In the spirit of her coach and our program, she fully embodies the “team-first” ethic, and it’s no act. She’s very bright and engaging, and the way she makes everyone better is by running through brick walls for her coach and teammates. As a hoops fan, I’d be thrilled with either. However, I truly feel that if I had to choose one, we got the best of that deal! All along I thought Jordan’s singular pursuit was Championships which are inherently team achievements, not personal. My impression was he looked out for Mike first, and the ultimate for Mike was championships. If Mik wins a title, it will be exciting on a personal level, but I’ve been around her enough to know that the journey with her teammates and sharing her success with them will mean more. Probably boils down to whether you liked Jordan or not. I didn’t. |
|
|
|
Post by beavadelic on Jan 8, 2020 15:24:59 GMT -8
All along I thought Jordan’s singular pursuit was Championships which are inherently team achievements, not personal. . Finally, I know what the Blazers drafted Bowie. Didn't want that jerk Jordan on the team...... Glad to be able to reveal that and clarify things for you. 20/20 hindsight is always handy. Just as with Oden years later (and I wanted them to take Durant in the worst way over him), if you polled the GMs in the league prior to the draft, 90%+ of them would have said “take the big man”. If you polled them all today (without knowledge of how their NBA careers actually would turn out), it would be flipped in favor of the dynamic perimeter player, at least as lopsidedly). I didn’t trust Bowie’s health, but I also didn’t recognize how good Jordan would be. |
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2020 15:29:31 GMT -8
. Finally, I know what the Blazers drafted Bowie. Didn't want that jerk Jordan on the team...... Glad to be able to reveal that and clarify things for you. 20/20 hindsight is always handy. Just as with Oden years later (and I wanted them to take Durant in the worst way over him), if you polled the GMs in the league prior to the draft, 90%+ of them would have said “take the big man”. If you polled them all today (without knowledge of how their NBA careers actually would turn out), it would be flipped in favor of the dynamic perimeter player, at least as lopsidedly). I didn’t trust Bowie’s health, but I also didn’t recognize how good Jordan would be. I guess you missed the sarcasm. |
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2020 15:32:47 GMT -8
Now that is a great basketball story....Great on the personal side, great on the celebrity side.... GO BEAVS !! So often, when the topic is comparing our athletes to those at Oregon, it seems to boil down to some hype in our favor based mostly on our disdain. For our rival. In this case, I honestly can say that it’s not bias driving my thought that I’d rather have Mik than Sabrina. Ionescu is a tremendous all-around player, quite possibly the best in the country honestly. She is probably a better shooter than Mik with more range and a better passer. Mik is really good at both too. Mik is a better rebounder and defender, but Sabrina is really good on the boards and an adequate defender. Both fill stat sheets, are incredibly tough and competitive, and make their teammates better. Though the Big I gets the triple-double attention (and it’s impressive), Mik is not far behind. The difference is the way that lead, and honestly boils down to character, IMO. Not intending to impugn Sabrina’s character, but she presents as much more self-focused. It showed in the recruiting process and it’s repeatedly reared it’s head with teammates and opposing fans. Michael Jordan was reportedly a massive jerk to teammates in his singular pursuit of personal achievement his teammates indulged him. He was so good that they put up with it and who could argue with the results. If it’s only about winning, Sabrina is no problem. On the other hand, Mik is unbelievably humble and gracious. In the spirit of her coach and our program, she fully embodies the “team-first” ethic, and it’s no act. She’s very bright and engaging, and the way she makes everyone better is by running through brick walls for her coach and teammates. As a hoops fan, I’d be thrilled with either. However, I truly feel that if I had to choose one, we got the best of that deal! It is only about winning. Sincerely, Christian Laettner and Dan Hawkins (Ok he didn't win anything, but he had an epic rant about it) |
|
|
|
Post by bvrbooster on Jan 8, 2020 17:18:00 GMT -8
All along I thought Jordan’s singular pursuit was Championships which are inherently team achievements, not personal. Finally, I know what the Blazers drafted Bowie. Didn't want that jerk Jordan on the team...... As I remember it, Portland screwed that draft up in several ways. They had the first pick, Houston the second, and Chicago the 3rd. Houston wanted a big, and the 2 bigs were Bowie and, I believe, Sampson (might have been Olajuwon). Chicago wanted Jordan. Houston had already announced way beforehand that they were going to take one of the bigs, no matter what, so Chicago had to just hope that Jordan was still available. Portland, then, should have cut a deal with Chicago. Either they switch spots with Chicago in exchange for a first round pick (Scottie Pippen?), or they draft Jordan, Chicago drafts Bowie, and then they trade, with Portland once again getting another first round pick from Chicago. Either scenario, they still wind up with one of the bigs (probably Bowie) plus another draft pick. Worst case, they draft Jordan and Chicago chooses not to make a deal. That wouldn't have sucked for them, would it? |
|
|
|
Post by Judge Smails on Jan 8, 2020 19:49:46 GMT -8
Finally, I know what the Blazers drafted Bowie. Didn't want that jerk Jordan on the team...... As I remember it, Portland screwed that draft up in several ways. They had the first pick, Houston the second, and Chicago the 3rd. Houston wanted a big, and the 2 bigs were Bowie and, I believe, Sampson (might have been Olajuwon). Chicago wanted Jordan. Houston had already announced way beforehand that they were going to take one of the bigs, no matter what, so Chicago had to just hope that Jordan was still available. Portland, then, should have cut a deal with Chicago. Either they switch spots with Chicago in exchange for a first round pick (Scottie Pippen?), or they draft Jordan, Chicago drafts Bowie, and then they trade, with Portland once again getting another first round pick from Chicago. Either scenario, they still wind up with one of the bigs (probably Bowie) plus another draft pick. Worst case, they draft Jordan and Chicago chooses not to make a deal. That wouldn't have sucked for them, would it? There are so many errors in this post, I don’t know where to start. Houston had the 1st pick and took Olajuwon. Portland had the 2nd pick and already had Drexler so they didn’t want another 2 guard. So, they didn’t pick Jordan and instead took Bowie. Chicago took Jordan with the 3rd pick. Scottie Pippen wasn’t drafted until 3 years later in 1987, so I have no idea where you were going with that. Olajuwon was the obvious 1st pick that year and while Jordan was a very good college player, I don’t think anyone projected that he would be one of the greatest of all time. The Bowie pick made sense at the time, just didn’t work out. |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2020 20:19:13 GMT -8
Finally, I know what the Blazers drafted Bowie. Didn't want that jerk Jordan on the team...... As I remember it, Portland screwed that draft up in several ways. They had the first pick, Houston the second, and Chicago the 3rd. Houston wanted a big, and the 2 bigs were Bowie and, I believe, Sampson (might have been Olajuwon). Chicago wanted Jordan. Houston had already announced way beforehand that they were going to take one of the bigs, no matter what, so Chicago had to just hope that Jordan was still available. Portland, then, should have cut a deal with Chicago. Either they switch spots with Chicago in exchange for a first round pick (Scottie Pippen?), or they draft Jordan, Chicago drafts Bowie, and then they trade, with Portland once again getting another first round pick from Chicago. Either scenario, they still wind up with one of the bigs (probably Bowie) plus another draft pick. Worst case, they draft Jordan and Chicago chooses not to make a deal. That wouldn't have sucked for them, would it? First... Houston had #1 and picked Hakeem. Bulls 3rd... picked Jordan. Portland had the 2nd pick (acquired from Indiana for Tom Owens trade in 1981) Bowie. Bernard Thompson was in 2nd/#19. Jerome Kersey in 2nd/pick 46... from Lakers. Tim Kearney from Pistons in 3rd Rd/#65. Brett Applegate Rd 4/#88. Mike Whitmarsh Rd 5/#111. Lance Ball in Rd 6/#134 Victor Anger Rd 7/#157 Steve Flint Rd 8/#180 Dennis Black Rd 9/#202 Randy Dunn Rd 10/#224 Portland had already made several trades/deals over the years that effected this draft... as mentioned above to get Bowie... >3-way with Bulls/Pacers (Blazers end up with 1984 2nd Rd- Victor Flemings from Pacers)... >Nuggets (1980 Blazers trade TR Dunn... swap of 1983 1st Rd picks #14/15 and 2nd in 1984... resulted in #14 Clyde pick in 1983 and Steve Coulter 2nd Rd in 1984)... >Nuggets (Blazers acquire Kiki from Denver for Natt, Lever, Cooper and two draft picks... resulted in Nuggets getting Blazer's 1984/2nd- Willie White... 1985/1st- Blair Rasmussen)... >Lakers (1980 Blazers trade Jim Brewer... for #46 overall in 2nd gets Jerome Kersey) >Pistons (1983 Blazers trade Peter Gudmundssun to get 3rd Rd/#65 back after trading away to get rights to FA Jeff Judkins in 1982... nets Tim Kearney) |
|
|
|
Post by qbeaver on Jan 8, 2020 20:26:16 GMT -8
The Blazers had the owners daughter(or GM) call the coin toss and picked tails when they should have picked heads...Olajuwon was the big prize...Barkley was the #6 in the first round.
|
|
|
|
Post by Werebeaver on Jan 8, 2020 20:28:01 GMT -8
The Blazers had the owners daughter(or GM) call the coin toss and picked tails when they should have picked heads...Olajuwon was the big prize...Barkley was the #6 in the first round. Yeah that's it. Incorrect coin toss call strategy. How stupid of them. |
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2020 22:04:19 GMT -8
The Blazers had the owners daughter(or GM) call the coin toss and picked tails when they should have picked heads...Olajuwon was the big prize...Barkley was the #6 in the first round. Coin flip? For what purpose? Blazers were going big... Jordan was never considered. Glickman actually once said that Barkley at SF/PF combo was seriously considered. The crazy fact is that at time the Blazers were lauded to even land the #2 pick with the earlier trade of Owens. Rumor had some of the Blazer brass wanting to swap #2/#19 to Philly to get the #5/10 (both acquired in deals in '78) to get Barkley and a center (Perkins, Turpin, Thorpe, Cage) depending on who was still available. But, Philly supposedly wanted a starter type player vs another draft pick. |
|
|
|
Post by qbeaver on Jan 9, 2020 8:25:03 GMT -8
The Blazers had the owners daughter(or GM) call the coin toss and picked tails when they should have picked heads...Olajuwon was the big prize...Barkley was the #6 in the first round. Coin flip? For what purpose? Blazers were going big... Jordan was never considered. Glickman actually once said that Barkley at SF/PF combo was seriously considered. The crazy fact is that at time the Blazers were lauded to even land the #2 pick with the earlier trade of Owens. Rumor had some of the Blazer brass wanting to swap #2/#19 to Philly to get the #5/10 (both acquired in deals in '78) to get Barkley and a center (Perkins, Turpin, Thorpe, Cage) depending on who was still available. But, Philly supposedly wanted a starter type player vs another draft pick. To decide who got the number one pick in the 1984 draft,there was a coin flip to decide who got the number one pick between Houston and Portland. Hakeem Olajuwon was the big prize. It wasn't a strategy to pick tails,I'm just telling the story of what happened...not blaming anyone for picking tails. It's a 50/50 shot picking heads or tails... |
|
|
|
Post by beavadelic on Jan 9, 2020 11:07:29 GMT -8
Glad to be able to reveal that and clarify things for you. 20/20 hindsight is always handy. Just as with Oden years later (and I wanted them to take Durant in the worst way over him), if you polled the GMs in the league prior to the draft, 90%+ of them would have said “take the big man”. If you polled them all today (without knowledge of how their NBA careers actually would turn out), it would be flipped in favor of the dynamic perimeter player, at least as lopsidedly). I didn’t trust Bowie’s health, but I also didn’t recognize how good Jordan would be. I guess you missed the sarcasm. I guess you missed mine in response. I really don’t like to spend much time validating that stuff. My original post really had nothing to do with Jordan, except to express a brief comparison with Ionescu in their approach. It usually boils down to whether you like an athlete or not, and that is largely dependent on whether we like who they play(ed) for. Loved GP, but many opposing fans thought he was an arrogant idiot. For me: he was a Beav, and he was an incredible player = GP was the ultimate competitor. Didn’t like Bulls + Jordan was cocky toward Magic and my team, the Lakers = No Bueno. Ainge beat my friend Mark Radford for the OSAA state title + bit Charlie Sitton while scuffling for a loose ball when we beat BYU + played for my least favorite NBA franchise (Boston) + helped ruin a couple of runs by the Lakers = Annoying hothead. When he was traded to Portland, suddenly I appreciated his effort, skills and tenacity. |
|
|
|
Post by Werebeaver on Jan 9, 2020 11:54:22 GMT -8
It’s always amusing the directions these threads veer off into. This started as a post about Pivec’s rebounding prowess. 👍
|
|
