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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 1, 2020 21:52:32 GMT -8
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 1, 2020 22:55:55 GMT -8
I've been impressed with her ability to fight for position. She has significant core strength already. Give Macy and company a year or two and she will be a rock.
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Post by shelby on Jan 2, 2020 10:21:32 GMT -8
Who is Macy ?
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 2, 2020 11:09:23 GMT -8
Jeff Macy is the strength and conditioning coach. Has been for several years. Many players past and present have thanked him by name.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 2, 2020 11:09:46 GMT -8
I’m not sure but I think Jeff Macy is the WBB strength and conditioning coach.
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Post by fanatic66 on Jan 2, 2020 13:15:26 GMT -8
Taylor Jones will be a star in the Pac-12. IMO the best Freshman big they have had. And as we know the Beavers low post players always seem to get better.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2020 13:37:39 GMT -8
Someone please explain to me why this wasn't an offensive foul.
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Post by jefframp on Jan 2, 2020 13:50:52 GMT -8
Someone please explain to me why this wasn't an offensive foul. Cuz the ref did not call it?
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 2, 2020 13:59:33 GMT -8
Someone please explain to me why this wasn't an offensive foul.
Because the defender never establishes position. Instead of gluing them to the floor, she shuffles her feet as she's trying to get position, and from there she just gets walked backwards. And after the second or third step, she's in the inner arc. It's a good non-call.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 2, 2020 14:15:32 GMT -8
Yea, they will rarely call that - players are allowed to bully their way to the rim if legs are used instead of shoulder and it’s gradual. I’ve never liked it, but it’s how the game has been called since I can remember. Defensive player could have flipped on one of the contacts and the refs wouldn’t have bitten.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 2, 2020 15:16:33 GMT -8
The next evolution of Taylor's inside game will hopefully be a spin move that allows for more separation from her defender. Now, Taylor will occasionally have her shot blocked by opposing centers when she uses the bully move in the video and the defender times her jump appropriately.
Once Taylor learns to spin to the center effectively, her ability to score in the paint will be enhanced and opposing bigs will have to play a guessing game as to how to best defend her. Her ceiling is so high. I think that the comparisons to Baylor's Lauren Cox are lofty yet reasonable if Taylor continues to make the type of skill progression that OSU coaches are envisioning. Her early productivity in a relatively limited number of minutes rivals what Cox produced last season as a junior, granted the competition that Cox typically played against doesn't allow for an apples vs. apples comparison.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jan 2, 2020 16:39:03 GMT -8
The next evolution of Taylor's inside game will hopefully be a spin move that allows for more separation from her defender. Now, Taylor will occasionally have her shot blocked by opposing centers when she uses the bully move in the video and the defender times her jump appropriately. Once Taylor learns to spin to the center effectively, her ability to score in the paint will be enhanced and opposing bigs will have to play a guessing game as to how to best defend her. Her ceiling is so high. I think that the comparisons to Baylor's Lauren Cox are lofty yet reasonable if Taylor continues to make the type of skill progression that OSU coaches are envisioning. Her early productivity in a relatively limited number of minutes rivals what Cox produced last season as a junior, granted the competition that Cox typically played against doesn't allow for an apples vs. apples comparison. Not sure about comparison of competition. Baylor had a few high profile games last year but typically plays some really, really bad cupcakes throughout OOC and the Big 12 is nowhere near as good top to bottom as the Pac 12 is.
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Post by jimbob on Jan 5, 2020 0:36:26 GMT -8
Yea, they will rarely call that - players are allowed to bully their way to the rim if legs are used instead of shoulder and it’s gradual. I’ve never liked it, but it’s how the game has been called since I can remember. Defensive player could have flipped on one of the contacts and the refs wouldn’t have bitten. Shaq made a career doing just that....of course he rarely used the backboard after backing his defender under the basket....He just stuffed it!
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Post by willtalk on Jan 5, 2020 4:36:41 GMT -8
I never said she can not play physically. Just that her body and skill set is more finesse oriented than physical. Learning to be more physical is a skill that can be developed with more experience. The problem with most posts coming out of high school is that they seldom face bigger players so it takes them a while to adapt to that style of play. In Contrast, Brown did face some taller and larger players, so she is very good at defending those types. I was also referring to play on the defensive side of the court, not the offensive end that you provided the video depicting.
What Jones did to the defender is what larger more physical players would do to Jones. If you notice in the video, the defender is too upright which does not allow her to get either position or leverage. When you have a lower center of gravity it gives a player an advantage to start with. The very reason Mattie a 6' Mattie is effective in the post is the combination of her size and a lower center of gravity. Height, size, center of gravity, strength, and positioning are all factors that play a role. A deficiency in one area can be compensated for by strength in another. For example, Jones's long legs create a high center of gravity. But that same long-legged body type comes with long arms that give her an extrodinary reach that allows her to play taller than her height.
I am sure that this thread was created as a response to my categorizing of Jones as a finesse player. You seemed to interpret that as being a deficiency. It is not. She is certainly more of a finesse player than she is physical (not because of a lack of strength, but body type) and that can have its own advantages. Whether they are more finesse or physical, each player, through experience learns how to use their own strengths to advantage while mitigating the other player's weakness.
In games, an advantage on one end of the court will often manifest as a disadvantage on the other end. I then becomes a question as to which is the better trade-off often dictated by game situations. This puts Oregon St, who has depth and versatility at a distinct advantage in matching up with a variety of different opposing rosters.
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Post by willtalk on Jan 5, 2020 4:58:30 GMT -8
The next evolution of Taylor's inside game will hopefully be a spin move that allows for more separation from her defender. Now, Taylor will occasionally have her shot blocked by opposing centers when she uses the bully move in the video and the defender times her jump appropriately. Once Taylor learns to spin to the center effectively, her ability to score in the paint will be enhanced and opposing bigs will have to play a guessing game as to how to best defend her. Her ceiling is so high. I think that the comparisons to Baylor's Lauren Cox are lofty yet reasonable if Taylor continues to make the type of skill progression that OSU coaches are envisioning. Her early productivity in a relatively limited number of minutes rivals what Cox produced last season as a junior, granted the competition that Cox typically played against doesn't allow for an apples vs. apples comparison. Not sure about comparison of competition. Baylor had a few high profile games last year but typically plays some really, really bad cupcakes throughout OOC and the Big 12 is nowhere near as good top to bottom as the Pac 12 is. Taylor looks quicker to me than Cox and because of that might certainly have a higher ceiling. I am not sure how effective Cox will be at the next level. She might end up being a tweener. Not quick enough to play the forward position and not strong enough to play he post. We can remember what a nightmare Gulish was for both Brown and Cox in their play off game. People, myself included, did not realize just how active and quick Maria was. I only noticed it watching her in the WNBA. Other than their height and long arms, I don't see much of a comparison between Jones and Cox. Jones seems quicker and that right away puts her at an advantage in respect to her defensive range and versatility. Cox appears to have a greater scoring range, but of course we are comparing Sr Cox to Frosh Taylor. Cox actually was not that impressive her frosh year.
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