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Post by blitzedbeaver on Dec 29, 2019 13:00:00 GMT -8
Too bad the Viking defense let him down big time!
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2019 13:34:55 GMT -8
Too bad the Viking defense let him down big time! Wouldn’t call 12-21 with 2 picks “decent” |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 29, 2019 13:37:49 GMT -8
Too bad the Viking defense let him down big time! Um, no. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Dec 29, 2019 13:40:15 GMT -8
35 QB rating, and two picks. Decent? Sean wouldn't agree.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 29, 2019 14:25:45 GMT -8
Too bad the Viking defense let him down big time! Wouldn’t call 12-21 with 2 picks “decent” One pick hit the receiver in the hands. The receiver accidentally kneed the ball out of his own hands and up into the air for an interception. The second pick was a 69-yard (in the air) Hail Mary that knocked around off a couple of guys before being intercepted on the last play of the game. Both those picks were about 0% Mannion's fault. If you really want to call out Mannion, his pitch on 1st & 10 at the Chicago 16 was low, which resulted in Minnesota's lone fumble. 3-0 Chicago. Mannion's first interception made it 6-0 Chicago. On Mannion's first real drive, he took Minnesota 56 yards, converting a pair of 3rd & 7s before settling on a 37-yard field goal. 6-3 Chicago Mannion's second drive resulted in a safety after the running back was tackled in the end zone. 8-3 Chicago and then 11-3 Chicago. Mannion's third drive started with 1:51 left. He drove Minnesota 55 yards to set up a 38-yard field goal to pull within 11-6. Chicago drove for a touchdown to start the second half, 18-6 Chicago. The drive is notable for featuring Ryan Nall's first two regular season carries. He rushed once for seven yards, running over multiple defenders, and then for a yard. Montgomery then re-entered the game to run it into the end zone. Minnesota appeared to have something going on the next drive before being called for holding on 3rd & 1. Mannion could not convert the 3rd & 11, resulting in a punt. Chicago went for it on 4th & 1 but was stopped. Mannion went 3/4 for 25 yards, including converting a 3rd & 5, before turning it over to the running backs, who ran it in for a touchdown, 18-13 Chicago. Mannion started the next drive 2/2 for 16 yards. Mannion then threw perfect over-the-shoulder pass for 35 yards for a first down at the 13. After no gain on a run, Mannion threw a seven yard pass down to the six before a terrible late hit call pushed the ball back to the 21. Mannion's 3rd & 18 pass was batted down at the line. Field goal, 18-16 Chicago. Trubisky fumbled five plays later. Mannion's 3rd & 3 pass was dropped for what looked like an easy touchdown. Instead, Field goal, 19-18 Minnesota. Chicago drove 71 yards, taking almost five minutes off the clock to set up a field goal to go up 21-19 with 10 seconds left. Mannion's final play was the 69-yard (in the air) Hail Mary that was batted around and intercepted. All in all, though, Mannion looked good playing with a bunch of second-teamers against Chicago's starters. Nall looked great in his first run. Still strong and hard to tackle. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2019 14:31:31 GMT -8
Wouldn’t call 12-21 with 2 picks “decent” One pick hit the receiver in the hands. The receiver accidentally kneed the ball out of his own hands and up into the air for an interception. The second pick was a 69-yard Hail Mary that knocked around off a couple of guys before being intercepted on the last play of the game. Both those picks were about 0% Mannion's fault. If you really want to call out Mannion, his pitch on 1st & 10 at the Chicago 16 was low, which resulted in Minnesota's lone fumble. 3-0 Chicago. Mannion's first interception made it 6-0 Chicago. On Mannion's first real drive, he took Minnesota 56 yards, converting a pair of 3rd & 7s before settling on a 37-yard field goal. 6-3 Chicago Mannion's second drive resulted in a safety after the running back was tackled in the end zone. 8-3 Chicago and then 11-3 Chicago. Mannion's third drive started with 1:51 left. He drove Minnesota 55 yards to set up a 38-yard field goal to pull within 11-6. Chicago drove for a touchdown to start the second half, 18-6 Chicago. The drive is notable for featuring Ryan Nall's first two regular season carries. He rushed once for seven yards, running over multiple defenders, and then for a yard. Montgomery then re-entered the game to run it into the end zone. Minnesota appeared to have something going on the next drive before being called for holding on 3rd & 1. Mannion could not convert the 3rd & 11, resulting in a punt. Chicago went for it on 4th & 1 but was stopped. Mannion went 3/4 for 25 yards, including converting a 3rd & 5, before turning it over to the running backs, who ran it in for a touchdown, 18-13 Chicago. Mannion started the next drive 2/2 for 16 yards. Mannion then threw perfect over-the-shoulder pass for 35 yards for a first down at the 13. After no gain on a run, Mannion threw a seven yard pass down to the six before a terrible late hit call pushed the ball back to the 21. Mannion's 3rd & 18 pass was batted down at the line. Field goal, 18-16 Chicago. Trubisky fumbled five plays later. Mannion's 3rd & 3 pass was dropped for what looked like an easy touchdown. Instead, Field goal, 19-18 Minnesota. Mannion's final play was the 69-yard Hail Mary that was batted around and intercepted. All in all, though, Mannion looked good playing with a bunch of second-teamers against Chicago's starters. Nall looked great in his first run. Still strong and hard to tackle. So, now you’re trying to say that stats don’t tell the truth...that’s rich coming from you... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 29, 2019 14:41:51 GMT -8
One pick hit the receiver in the hands. The receiver accidentally kneed the ball out of his own hands and up into the air for an interception. The second pick was a 69-yard Hail Mary that knocked around off a couple of guys before being intercepted on the last play of the game. Both those picks were about 0% Mannion's fault. If you really want to call out Mannion, his pitch on 1st & 10 at the Chicago 16 was low, which resulted in Minnesota's lone fumble. 3-0 Chicago. Mannion's first interception made it 6-0 Chicago. On Mannion's first real drive, he took Minnesota 56 yards, converting a pair of 3rd & 7s before settling on a 37-yard field goal. 6-3 Chicago Mannion's second drive resulted in a safety after the running back was tackled in the end zone. 8-3 Chicago and then 11-3 Chicago. Mannion's third drive started with 1:51 left. He drove Minnesota 55 yards to set up a 38-yard field goal to pull within 11-6. Chicago drove for a touchdown to start the second half, 18-6 Chicago. The drive is notable for featuring Ryan Nall's first two regular season carries. He rushed once for seven yards, running over multiple defenders, and then for a yard. Montgomery then re-entered the game to run it into the end zone. Minnesota appeared to have something going on the next drive before being called for holding on 3rd & 1. Mannion could not convert the 3rd & 11, resulting in a punt. Chicago went for it on 4th & 1 but was stopped. Mannion went 3/4 for 25 yards, including converting a 3rd & 5, before turning it over to the running backs, who ran it in for a touchdown, 18-13 Chicago. Mannion started the next drive 2/2 for 16 yards. Mannion then threw perfect over-the-shoulder pass for 35 yards for a first down at the 13. After no gain on a run, Mannion threw a seven yard pass down to the six before a terrible late hit call pushed the ball back to the 21. Mannion's 3rd & 18 pass was batted down at the line. Field goal, 18-16 Chicago. Trubisky fumbled five plays later. Mannion's 3rd & 3 pass was dropped for what looked like an easy touchdown. Instead, Field goal, 19-18 Minnesota. Mannion's final play was the 69-yard Hail Mary that was batted around and intercepted. All in all, though, Mannion looked good playing with a bunch of second-teamers against Chicago's starters. Nall looked great in his first run. Still strong and hard to tackle. So, now you’re trying to say that stats don’t tell the truth...that’s rich coming from you... I'm saying emphatically that you're using the wrong stats, or drawing incorrect conclusions from stats. I am personally waiting for the better delayed stats to come out, which should tell a more complete story. However, ultimately, watch the dam game and let me know, if you thought he played well without Diggs, without the 1st- and 2nd-string running backs and both starting tackles. I thought he played well, all things considered. The pitch was bad, and he had a bad read, while being pressured on a screen pass. Otherwise, he played well. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2019 14:43:37 GMT -8
So, now you’re trying to say that stats don’t tell the truth...that’s rich coming from you... I'm saying emphatically that you're using the wrong stats, or drawing incorrect conclusions from stats. I am personally waiting for the better delayed stats to come out, which should tell a more complete story. However, ultimately, watch the dam game and let me know, if you thought he played well without Diggs, without the 1st- and 2nd-string running backs and both starting tackles. I thought he played well, all things considered. The pitch was bad, and he had a bad read, while being pressured on a screen pass. Otherwise, he played well. He threw for 121 yards. That’s great if you’re the QB for Air Force, but not in the NFL. |
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Post by blitzedbeaver on Dec 29, 2019 15:15:40 GMT -8
I was just saying it was not a bad game for his first game all season, Playing with the second team. I watched approximately 1/2 of the game and there were at least three passes that his his receivers in the hands that were dropped. Who knows, if they hadn’t had that stupid personal foul on the 10 yard line towards the end of the game they might’ve scored a TD and won the gameSo my final analysis on what I saw was below average game for an NFL starter, but not a bad game for someone who was sitting on the bench the whole Season.
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Post by rafer on Dec 29, 2019 15:33:50 GMT -8
I'm saying emphatically that you're using the wrong stats, or drawing incorrect conclusions from stats. I am personally waiting for the better delayed stats to come out, which should tell a more complete story. However, ultimately, watch the dam game and let me know, if you thought he played well without Diggs, without the 1st- and 2nd-string running backs and both starting tackles. I thought he played well, all things considered. The pitch was bad, and he had a bad read, while being pressured on a screen pass. Otherwise, he played well. He threw for 121 yards. That’s great if you’re the QB for Air Force, but not in the NFL. |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 29, 2019 17:54:10 GMT -8
As a long suffering Vikings fan, SM is the best quarterback on their roster imho. I was begging for the stater to go down early this month just to get Sean reps before the playoffs.
Vikings $84 million dollar qb can’t lead his team to victory against any quality opponents.
Sean may have struggled, but he looks better than Cousins. Again jmho
Go Beavs!!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 30, 2019 12:52:28 GMT -8
I'm saying emphatically that you're using the wrong stats, or drawing incorrect conclusions from stats. I am personally waiting for the better delayed stats to come out, which should tell a more complete story. However, ultimately, watch the dam game and let me know, if you thought he played well without Diggs, without the 1st- and 2nd-string running backs and both starting tackles. I thought he played well, all things considered. The pitch was bad, and he had a bad read, while being pressured on a screen pass. Otherwise, he played well. He threw for 121 yards. That’s great if you’re the QB for Air Force, but not in the NFL. Sean Mannion was one of four starting quarterbacks, who was not sacked on the weekend. The other three were Brees, Mahomes, and Tannehill. He finished 18th in the QBR passing metric on the weekend, ahead of Tom Brady, Matt Ryan, Mitchell Trubisky, and Baker Mayfield. You are moving the goalposts. Your argument is that Mannion's game was not "decent," not that Mannion's game was not "great." I do not think that anyone is saying that Mannion played "great." When you have a better passing day than Brady, though, with a bunch of second-teamers, I am not sure how you can say that Mannion's play was not at least "decent." |
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Post by ee1990 on Dec 30, 2019 18:38:46 GMT -8
That first pick shouldn't even be credited to him.
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 30, 2019 21:34:50 GMT -8
Too bad the Viking defense let him down big time! I could have been wrong since I didn’t see the game. Still, qb’s have to live with the bad stats from tipped passes and hail Mary’s gone wrong. It’s in all their averages. |
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 30, 2019 22:16:35 GMT -8
Too bad the Viking defense let him down big time! I could have been wrong since I didn’t see the game. Still, qb’s have to live with the bad stats from tipped passes and hail Mary’s gone wrong. It’s in all their averages. Sean's just not got a big pool of data to work from yet. |
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