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Post by rmancarl on Dec 27, 2019 9:05:37 GMT -8
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Dec 27, 2019 9:31:46 GMT -8
Agreed. It is a honor for the OSU program to he in the national conversation that ESPNW has sparked.
Also, it makes for very interesting conversation on The Boneyard, UConn's active women's basketball message board.
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 27, 2019 10:32:39 GMT -8
UConn until somebody beats them and they aren't running away from anybody. They have Baylor and Oregon at home and South Carolina on the road.
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 27, 2019 11:32:51 GMT -8
The number of undefeated teams is about to start diminishing rapidly. Colorado has about zero chance of surviving their Oregon road trip. Arizona has a minuscule chance of beating both Oregon schools at home. I don't know UCLA's schedule, but they too shall fall. Any team that is still undefeated on Monday, January 27, would certainly have a strong claim to be a legitimate number 1.
Could that be us? Realistically, I have to say no. I don't think any PAC 12 school will be undefeated at that point, and I also think they'll all have at least one loss in conference. There's just way too many really good teams, and grinding out a win when your offense isn't clicking is going to be one very, very hard thing to do.
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 27, 2019 11:40:02 GMT -8
Halfway through the conference schedule I'd be surprised that any Pac12 team will be in the top five let alone the top 10 because all the good teams will just cannibalize each other. You take UO, UCLA, Stanford, OSU and there will probably be at least two losses each out of that round robin.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 27, 2019 12:00:51 GMT -8
I'll just quote Rueck. "Why not us?"
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 27, 2019 12:27:10 GMT -8
I don't even like saying it, but I think you still have to give the advantage to oregon. They have talent, and it's experienced talent. The Beavs may very well have the most talented group of 4 guards/wings in the country, and I love the freshmen, but they are freshmen. There is not a senior year Marie Gulich on this team. If there were....
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Post by 411500 on Dec 27, 2019 13:02:17 GMT -8
rmancarl writes: "There is not a senior year Marie Gulich on this team."
Gotta agree with you on this one.....The Beavs have premiere guard talent and right now they are riding it to the max...It's possible that Mik, Kat, Destiny and Aleah have enough star power to win the Pac. I'm hoping so....But there's no getting around the fact that we're weak in the muscle dept. -- and it's hard to win time and again against good teams without a power forward and a power post....It's possible, but not probable....
I'm a true Beaver fan and I have been for decades....But right now I'd say Oregon has a stronger, deeper team that will go further in the NCAAs than our Beavs.....
Hope I'm wrong...I have been beforeš.....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 27, 2019 14:51:48 GMT -8
Halfway through the conference schedule I'd be surprised that any Pac12 team will be in the top five let alone the top 10 because all the good teams will just cannibalize each other. Ā You take UO, UCLA, Stanford, OSU and there will probably be at least two losses each out of that round robin. That cannibalism deal is interesting. In football, when SEC teams do that to each other, nobody tends to fall very far. Different sports and different public personas, but I think that itās silly if top 10 teams play, one team beats the other in a tight game, and the loser drops out of the top 10. If they were both top 10 to begin with, and one team has to win, why should #4 drop much if they lose to #2, or even vice versa? I know that the polls are fluid, and the voters are looking most strictly at the records, but not all teams with similar records are of the same caliber. The Pac 12 is flat loaded, especially in the upper half of the conference (another fair comparison to SEC football). Even after those 5 ranked programs, ASU, Utah, USC, Colorado and Cal are also not easy to deal with. The Washington schools arenāt going to be a pushover either, especially on the road. Talk about murdererās row. The conference schedule will be brutal, a real grind. We have 4 schools that can beat literally anyone in the country, and Arizona has made scary growth under their current coach. Of course, the only really important rankings will be those used by the tourney committee when seeding is established. The Pac has at least 3 schools that are legit candidates to be #1 seeds in the Big Dance. The aforementioned cannibalism could result in everything from 2 #1s and 2 #2s to 4 #2ās, or 2 #2s and 2 #3s, but I feel like as long as the injury bug doesnāt blow up one of those exceptional teams, they should all have 26+ wins. The national awareness of and respect for our league should result in several high seeds. |
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 27, 2019 15:16:13 GMT -8
rmancarl writes: "There is not a senior year Marie Gulich on this team." Gotta agree with you on this one.....The Beavs have premiere guard talent and right now they are riding it to the max...It's possible that Mik, Kat, Destiny and Aleah have enough star power to win the Pac. I'm hoping so....But there's no getting around the fact that we're weak in the muscle dept. -- and it's hard to win time and again against good teams without a power forward and a power post....It's possible, but not probable.... I'm a true Beaver fan and I have been for decades....But right now I'd say Oregon has a stronger, deeper team that will go further in the NCAAs than our Beavs..... Hope I'm wrong...I have been beforeš..... GO BEAVS !! Iām hopeful - and I believe thereās reason to be so - that Taylor will continue progressing and solve a lot of that issue for us by March. Itās a lot to ask of a freshman, but she didnāt blink from game game one. Sheās skilled and sheās strong. Having Taya would definitely help, but Kennedy also brings size and versatility that may translate well too. Sheās not as fond of hanging around d the paint, but Iāve seen glimpses of what she can do there, and her ability to take a big outside with her perimeter game could create a lot of problems. Iām with you, Oregon is more favorably set up on paper, and Stanford probably as well, but I am optimistic about the potential that the two young bigs provide. In the āshoulda, woulda, couldaā department, I canāt help lament the medical setbacks that we have suffered. I honestly felt that Kat and Acquino could have been the difference in getting to the Final Four last year, and this season the same may be said for having to play without Taya and Andrea. Iām just sick about Acquino at this point. Sheās a really nice young woman, and last year Katie told me that Andrea brought a skillset and presence unlike anything sheās played with or against (and Katie pretty well saw it all in her 4 years here) |
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Post by sagebrush on Dec 27, 2019 17:21:10 GMT -8
Halfway through the conference schedule I'd be surprised that any Pac12 team will be in the top five let alone the top 10 because all the good teams will just cannibalize each other. You take UO, UCLA, Stanford, OSU and there will probably be at least two losses each out of that round robin. That cannibalism deal is interesting. In football, when SEC teams do that to each other, nobody tends to fall very far. Different sports and different public personas, but I think that itās silly if top 10 teams play, one team beats the other in a tight game, and the loser drops out of the top 10. If they were both top 10 to begin with, and one team has to win, why should #4 drop much if they lose to #2, or even vice versa? I know that the polls are fluid, and the voters are looking most strictly at the records, but not all teams with similar records are of the same caliber. The Pac 12 is flat loaded, especially in the upper half of the conference (another fair comparison to SEC football). Even after those 5 ranked programs, ASU, Utah, USC, Colorado and Cal are also not easy to deal with. The Washington schools arenāt going to be a pushover either, especially on the road. Talk about murdererās row. The conference schedule will be brutal, a real grind. We have 4 schools that can beat literally anyone in the country, and Arizona has made scary growth under their current coach. Of course, the only really important rankings will be those used by the tourney committee when seeding is established. The Pac has at least 3 schools that are legit candidates to be #1 seeds in the Big Dance. The aforementioned cannibalism could result in everything from 2 #1s and 2 #2s to 4 #2ās, or 2 #2s and 2 #3s, but I feel like as long as the injury bug doesnāt blow up one of those exceptional teams, they should all have 26+ wins. The national awareness of and respect for our league should result in several high seeds. You have two words in the first first line that says it all: Football, SEC. In football outside the SEC, say UW #2 vs OSU #4 and UW wins, OSU out of top 10. In SEC, loser of a 2-4 match up drops no further than 6. |
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Post by grackle on Dec 27, 2019 18:31:23 GMT -8
#1 or whatever, Scott Rueck is a fricking genius of a college basketball coach.
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Post by rmancarl on Dec 27, 2019 19:42:32 GMT -8
#1 or whatever, Scott Rueck is a fricking genius of a college basketball coach. People love to complain, and us "experts' on this board usually won't hold out on sharing how we would of 'done it better', but with where he started with this team, and how far he has brought it, "genius" works. |
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