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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 3, 2015 10:42:56 GMT -8
Where is BCM when you actually need him??? He is never, ever needed. He is solely responsible for ruining po You're right. What was I thinking? Looking for the grammar police actually.
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Nov 3, 2015 11:15:28 GMT -8
I suppose if he has a new alias over here we could quickly weed him out by discussing which of Reilly's WR's you liked better: Newsome or Haas or James Rogers. I'm more of a Brandon Cooks guy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 12:07:13 GMT -8
Where is BCM when you actually need him??? Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2015 12:07:53 GMT -8
Where is BCM when you actually need him??? He is never, ever needed. He is solely responsible for ruining po And that's a fact, Jack!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 3, 2015 13:22:07 GMT -8
"It wasn't best for him to be able to make the trip and, quite frankly, stand on the sidelines when he can be home trying to get better and go to school. If a freshman is not going to play, he should go to class." That's "per coach" and doesn't portray it how you're attempting to claim it does. Right, because no other freshmen made the trip...he's the backup QB. What other injured true freshman made the trip? Which other true freshmen that are redshirting made the trip (I seriously dont know if the redshirts are on the travel sqiad this year)? He's not the backup if he's not gonna play. You keep pointing out Larry Scott making the trip... big difference is Scott has several years of college under his belt rather than being in the middle of his first set of midterms.
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Post by bbfan on Nov 3, 2015 13:41:15 GMT -8
All this speculation is interesting but would be surprised if Collins is not 3rd or lower on the qb depth chart next year. Beavs best qb far and away isn't eligible his season and Mitchell should develops a nice backup as the season progresses
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 3, 2015 13:46:17 GMT -8
All this speculation is interesting but would be surprised if Collins is not 3rd or lower on the qb depth chart next year. Beavs best qb far and away isn't eligible his season and Mitchell should develops a nice backup as the season progresses My money is on a position switch over the summer. Collins could be one helluva slot receiver/hybrid running back. you could even run some mean wildcat packages with him. I know his heart is in being a QB, but he has got to see where his biggest potential is. you can't keep a dynamic player like him off the field.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 3, 2015 14:58:03 GMT -8
Right, because no other freshmen made the trip...he's the backup QB. What other injured true freshman made the trip? Which other true freshmen that are redshirting made the trip (I seriously dont know if the redshirts are on the travel sqiad this year)? He's not the backup if he's not gonna play. You keep pointing out Larry Scott making the trip... big difference is Scott has several years of college under his belt rather than being in the middle of his first set of midterms. There were plenty of cases with Moevao his last year being the backup and traveling, but not playing (because he was injured). Collins didn't stay home because of midterm exams, total fallacy.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 3, 2015 14:58:31 GMT -8
All this speculation is interesting but would be surprised if Collins is not 3rd or lower on the qb depth chart next year. Beavs best qb far and away isn't eligible his season and Mitchell should develops a nice backup as the season progresses My money is on a position switch over the summer. Collins could be one helluva slot receiver/hybrid running back. you could even run some mean wildcat packages with him. I know his heart is in being a QB, but he has got to see where his biggest potential is. you can't keep a dynamic player like him off the field. Good luck on the position switch IMO. There's a reason why he chose SJSU (and then OSU) over all the others.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 3, 2015 15:31:09 GMT -8
"It wasn't best for him to be able to make the trip and, quite frankly, stand on the sidelines when he can be home trying to get better and go to school. If a freshman is not going to play, he should go to class." That's "per coach" and doesn't portray it how you're attempting to claim it does. Right, because no other freshmen made the trip...he's the backup QB. He is the hurt backup QB. more times than not hurt players do not travel. Why did Larry Scott make the trip? he is a senior and can play a role in mentoring his back ups on the field. why did Moevao make trips when hurt and Canfield was playing? they both had a year under them and Riley likes back up QBs wearing a headset. This seems like an Occam Razor's situation. Lots of possibilities on why Collins stayed home. but as Occam states, when multiple hypothesis exist to explain something, it is usually the simplest one. Seth Collins was hurt, and being a freshman did not give him any additional priviledge. It is almost like Andersen specifically said something about being hurt and being a freshman... huh...
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 3, 2015 15:44:04 GMT -8
My money is on a position switch over the summer. Collins could be one helluva slot receiver/hybrid running back. you could even run some mean wildcat packages with him. I know his heart is in being a QB, but he has got to see where his biggest potential is. you can't keep a dynamic player like him off the field. Good luck on the position switch IMO. There's a reason why he chose SJSU (and then OSU) over all the others. Who were "All the others"? he had offers from SJSU and Colorado St. He had scant few offers and a little bit of attention from other schools as a WR for a reason too. And that reason was switching schools and sitting out a year most of a year. There just wasn't much tape on him as a HS QB. He chose SJSU because that was his offer at QB. He dropped them like a bad habit when Andersen came calling. Andersen has given him a shot at QB and unless his arm miraculously improves multiple times over, it wasn't meant to be. A kid with his size (6'3" 200lbs) and sub 11 second 100 time has NFL potential as a WR. A lot like Boom. he spent years sticking it out as a below average WR until he switched positions, added some weight and became highly effective as a pass rusher. that also landed him an NFL job. a good coach will get players where they fit best, and help the player see why it is the best fit as well.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 3, 2015 15:50:03 GMT -8
Good luck on the position switch IMO. There's a reason why he chose SJSU (and then OSU) over all the others. Who were "All the others"? he had offers from SJSU and Colorado St. He had scant few offers and a little bit of attention from other schools as a WR for a reason too. And that reason was switching schools and sitting out a year most of a year. There just wasn't much tape on him as a HS QB. He chose SJSU because that was his offer at QB. He dropped them like a bad habit when Andersen came calling. Andersen has given him a shot at QB and unless his arm miraculously improves multiple times over, it wasn't meant to be. A kid with his size (6'3" 200lbs) and sub 11 second 100 time has NFL potential as a WR. A lot like Boom. he spent years sticking it out as a below average WR until he switched positions, added some weight and became highly effective as a pass rusher. that also landed him an NFL job. a good coach will get players where they fit best, and help the player see why it is the best fit as well. But, you have to get the player to buy in.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 3, 2015 15:50:33 GMT -8
Right, because no other freshmen made the trip...he's the backup QB. He is the hurt backup QB. more times than not hurt players do not travel. Why did Larry Scott make the trip? he is a senior and can play a role in mentoring his back ups on the field. why did Moevao make trips when hurt and Canfield was playing? they both had a year under them and Riley likes back up QBs wearing a headset. This seems like an Occam Razor's situation. Lots of possibilities on why Collins stayed home. but as Occam states, when multiple hypothesis exist to explain something, it is usually the simplest one. Seth Collins was hurt, and being a freshman did not give him any additional priviledge. It is almost like Andersen specifically said something about being hurt and being a freshman... huh... Believe what you want to believe, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 3, 2015 23:26:01 GMT -8
Collins to his credit has not been an interception machine and has thrown some Nice and accurate long range passes this year on long balls. I don't think the knock on him is all about his accuracy passing but more about composure and being able to make the key good decisions to command the offense on the run options or passing with pressure. He has made some awful throws on crossing routes that let the DB's have those big time shots on the receivers, but overall it doesn't seem like there has been much short passing game with him and that was a key difference with Mitchell against Utah as he was hitting some of those short passes and we seemed to have fewer 3 and outs. Having some success running maybe hurt Collins? (maybe trying to do too much himself to get those big runs instead of passing or handing it off???)
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 4, 2015 8:29:36 GMT -8
Collins to his credit has not been an interception machine and has thrown some Nice and accurate long range passes this year on long balls. I don't think the knock on him is all about his accuracy passing but more about composure and being able to make the key good decisions to command the offense on the run options or passing with pressure. He has made some awful throws on crossing routes that let the DB's have those big time shots on the receivers, but overall it doesn't seem like there has been much short passing game with him and that was a key difference with Mitchell against Utah as he was hitting some of those short passes and we seemed to have fewer 3 and outs. Having some success running maybe hurt Collins? (maybe trying to do too much himself to get those big runs instead of passing or handing it off???) In 7 games (really, 6.5) and with 81 total completions Collins has 6 completed passes over 25 yards. In 2 games (really 1.5) Mitchel has 4 completed passes over 25 yards and 59 total completed passes.
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