OLive reporting Seth missed practice today w/injury

I think we can all put away the injury excuse by now. Andersen has all but said Collins had an issue and could have made it to SLC. It's time for accountability and I'm glad Andersen is holding Seth to it.

Yes Seth has an injury but that's not what kept him away from the team on Saturday.

Atown... "assumptions" by several us watching the sidelines in person during breaks in the action... They were factual observations made by people sitting in very different areas of the stadium. Seth tossed himself under the said "bus"... no one has stated he can't mature... but, this is BIG boy football and if he's expecting this staff to hand him opportunities he was greatly mistaken. So, as I stated in another post, this was the perfect time/place to hide some needed discipline behind the injury/beat up body reasoning. Hopefully lesson learned.

Again, much to do about an 18 year old kid facing a benching... And for what it is worth, I don't even really disagree with you. I do disagree with the conversation though.

It really doesn't matter one single iota what you or I think about his leadership, or the type of leader that he is. What matters is the team and how the team responds to him. More importantly, what matters is how he responds in the locker room and in practice and when on the field. 

Being noticeably angry on the sideline is understandable. Even if it is not as matured a response that somebody further along in life would like. A good chunk of us on this board are long since out of college and 18 years old is a distant memory. The expectation that an 18 year old carries on like a seasoned 10 year NFL vet on the sideline is a bit much in my humble opinion...

But you are entitled to your opinion. I get that, so let me get to the burr in my saddle over this kind of talk. It is distraction.... This may be a brand new message board, that hasn't yet built up steam, but you can bet your bottom dollar that the media reads it, particularly because it has been advertised on both PO and Beaverfootball.com. The media has used (heck, even QUOTED!) fan messaged boards for material for a long time.

And when suddenly there is a long threaded debate about how immature Collins is and what a bad attitude he has, suddenly Andersen's press conferences is full of questions about if Collins is a distraction. suddenly Canzo is writing columns about whether or not he has "lost the team" and if Collins is now a locker room cancer. it is a small mole hill that becomes a mountain. 

and it becomes this way because we see one game where a kid got benched and he was pissed off on the sidelines... This is a tough season for us all, but even more so for the team and the coaches. I just don't want to see us as fans adding fuel to the fire. Particularly when it hasn't been an issue... we are the ones that are inventing it as an issue. We are all making an assumption he was left behind from the Utah trip due to this attitude...which may even be true, but it is wildly unsubstantiated and even recently flat denied. Reporters have noted Collin's obvious limp, Collins has mentioned he caught up on school work. 

Talking about... i dunno... "behind the scenes" stuff gets touchy. and OSU people do keep an eye on it. there have been posters on other boards banned for it. 

But as Spudbeaver said in another reply... Who am I to tell you what to do? Just some guy with an opinion. This is a somewhat free country and these boards are made for talkin'. Lord knows the last thing i want to do is give us less things to talk about. the reason I came here was the death of another board!

Just thinking out loud here:

A young QB may have game-playing tendencies we don't like as much. Locking on to one receiving, getting too scared of getting hit and making bad decisions, loads of other things.

We don't know what Seth's attitude really is, unless someone on here actually does.

But let's pretend for a minute that he is having some trouble with being yanked from the Colorado game. He's 18, he's basically been bred for football both in terms of what he's physically capable of and how much training he's had over time, and he's incredibly athletic. I don't mean this in a bad way, but it sounds as though he has been led to believe that the world is his for the taking. I think most of us can relate to feeling that way a little the first time we set out on our own.

Look, if that's the case, it's not what we want to see in a member of the team we so love to watch. But is it the worst thing ever if part of his learning curve is learning to adjust his attitude to be a better teammate? There is behavior I would find completely intolerable, and if Seth has an attitude issue I don't love it but I think it can be worked with.

Anyway, nobody knows for sure just what's going on with him. I think it's ok to discuss, but don't forget that it's entirely possible for someone like his dad or best friend to read this.

Also, disclaimer: if a *uck QB was displaying the same behavior, I would probably be flaming the he** out of him . I may be a hypocrite, but at least I'm a transparent one!

Not backpedaling at all.  Seth could have stood on the sidelines per Coach, he chose not to bring him up.  We all saw the taping job on Seth's leg during the Colorado game in the 4th quarter.

Larry Scott was on the sidelines even though he couldn't play.   

Where is BCM when you actually need him???

He is never, ever needed.
He is solely responsible for ruining po