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Post by willtalk on Dec 2, 2019 10:27:01 GMT -8
What will be more important than usually, this year in the NCAA's are the match up teams draw in the bracketing. All else being relatively equal, basketball is a game of matchups and timing. Louisville in the past has always been a bad matchup for the Beaves and seemed to be for the Ducks this last week as well. I think the answer to the lack of three's dropping will be improving the offensive threat of the post players. The perimeter shooting should be better this season. Players just need to recognize and feed the hot hands. That will require more ball movement to give all the players shots to see who truly is hot and who is not. Kennedy would be much more effective at taking mid-range shots like Mattie does. At that position, she would also be more effective as a passer and facilitator where her height would really be an advantage.
It will probably still take some time for the new bigs to find their most effective spots. Of course, we have yet to see Jelena and the skills she will bring both offensively and defensively. Ironically as Brown is at this time the better post defender against bigger post players she is not comfortable offensively in the post. Jones is a far better offensive post threat and also provides more help defensively than Brown. I think with time Jones might adjust to playing players like Mompremier. She seldom if ever faced players of her size in high school, whereas Brown did. You have to face them a few times to adjust your defenses. still, she did not do that badly.
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Post by hawkeye2000 on Dec 2, 2019 11:08:58 GMT -8
I'd like Jones and Brown study the film on Marie G. and develop a fade away jumper and her short game (6-10 ft jumper). That and her 3 ball is what helped her in WNBA.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 2, 2019 11:13:45 GMT -8
It’s nice pub, for sure. But this team clearly still has more flaws than some of the teams in the top 10. They can beat any of them because they have the shooters to do it. What they don’t yet have is a way to beat top teams even when the 3s aren’t falling. That said, what would our record be with last years team? I’m guessing 2 losses, maybe more. Kennedy’s post D and speed has rescued us a few times this year, a dimension we didn’t have last year with our post D. And last year’s team was pretty good, so it’s not a stretch to believe this team is there with the top. It’s also pretty easy to believe they will get a few lumps at some point. Most of you totally underestimated Grymek's D last season. The problem was not with the post D, but the lack of offensive production from her post position. My recollection was that she was good against traditional centers, and so much when the opposition essentially used a quicker power-forward that she'd have to guard, especially players that could hit the 3, and we'd be forced to go small with Taya being the big on the floor or go to a zone. I see that same thing playing out with Jones so far this year. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 2, 2019 11:24:31 GMT -8
What will be more important than usually, this year in the NCAA's are the match up teams draw in the bracketing. All else being relatively equal, basketball is a game of matchups and timing. Louisville in the past has always been a bad matchup for the Beaves and seemed to be for the Ducks this last week as well. I think the answer to the lack of three's dropping will be improving the offensive threat of the post players. The perimeter shooting should be better this season. Players just need to recognize and feed the hot hands. That will require more ball movement to give all the players shots to see who truly is hot and who is not. Kennedy would be much more effective at taking mid-range shots like Mattie does. At that position, she would also be more effective as a passer and facilitator where her height would really be an advantage. It will probably still take some time for the new bigs to find their most effective spots. Of course, we have yet to see Jelena and the skills she will bring both offensively and defensively. Ironically as Brown is at this time the better post defender against bigger post players she is not comfortable offensively in the post. Jones is a far better offensive post threat and also provides more help defensively than Brown. I think with time Jones might adjust to playing players like Mompremier. She seldom if ever faced players of her size in high school, whereas Brown did. You have to face them a few times to adjust your defenses. still, she did not do that badly. It's really not a question of the threes dropping, it's who's putting up the threes that we hope will drop. As a team, the Beavs are 39.9% on threes, which is 14th in the nation. If you remove Kennedy Brown from the mix, they would be 43.9%, which would be 4th in the nation. She's shot 25 of them, so 3.5 per game, and made but 4. Several of the 21 misses have been absolute bricks. At the moment, it doesn't appear that the 3 point shot is going to be her ticket to the next level. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 2, 2019 12:54:01 GMT -8
What will be more important than usually, this year in the NCAA's are the match up teams draw in the bracketing. All else being relatively equal, basketball is a game of matchups and timing. Louisville in the past has always been a bad matchup for the Beaves and seemed to be for the Ducks this last week as well. I think the answer to the lack of three's dropping will be improving the offensive threat of the post players. The perimeter shooting should be better this season. Players just need to recognize and feed the hot hands. That will require more ball movement to give all the players shots to see who truly is hot and who is not. Kennedy would be much more effective at taking mid-range shots like Mattie does. At that position, she would also be more effective as a passer and facilitator where her height would really be an advantage. It will probably still take some time for the new bigs to find their most effective spots. Of course, we have yet to see Jelena and the skills she will bring both offensively and defensively. Ironically as Brown is at this time the better post defender against bigger post players she is not comfortable offensively in the post. Jones is a far better offensive post threat and also provides more help defensively than Brown. I think with time Jones might adjust to playing players like Mompremier. She seldom if ever faced players of her size in high school, whereas Brown did. You have to face them a few times to adjust your defenses. still, she did not do that badly. It's really not a question of the threes dropping, it's who's putting up the threes that we hope will drop. As a team, the Beavs are 39.9% on threes, which is 14th in the nation. If you remove Kennedy Brown from the mix, they would be 43.9%, which would be 4th in the nation. She's shot 25 of them, so 3.5 per game, and made but 4. Several of the 21 misses have been absolute bricks. At the moment, it doesn't appear that the 3 point shot is going to be her ticket to the next level. I would not diss Brown just yet. Give her time to adjust to this next level from high school. |
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 2, 2019 13:05:51 GMT -8
Kennedy being a threat out there adds more value overall than our shooting 3s guards do, as it drags her defender, an opposition's big, out of the lane - opening it up to Destiny, Mic, etc to slash. I'd like to see her above 30% for sure and maybe be a bit more judicious on selection, but I definitely don't want her to stop shooting, nor lose the confidence to do take them. There's a reason Rueck hasn't given her the red light.
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Dec 2, 2019 14:08:32 GMT -8
Kennedy will be just fine shooting out there when we head into the ncaa tournament. This is all dialing in the process time and she is right on schedule. So happy with both our freshman that are playing. Keep pluggin away ladies. Go Beavs!!
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Post by 411500 on Dec 2, 2019 14:46:03 GMT -8
willtalk writes: "Most of you totally underestimated Grymek's D last season."
I'm repeatedly amazed at willtalk's claim to know what most of us think.
Here I was all these years thinking it was only the Creator Himself who knew everyone's thoughts.
Apparently I was wrong, as willtalk time and again points out how so many of us think incorrectly, inaccurately, or ineptly.
Even though I watched almost every game the past two seasons, I have not formulated a clear estimation of Grymek's defensive abilities. Apparently, however, whatever thoughts I may have had, they were underestimated!
willtalk seems to know quite a bit about a number of things, but how he repeatedly knows what most of us think is a mystery...At least to me...Or did he already know that?
GO BEAVS!!
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Post by bennyskid on Dec 2, 2019 16:21:06 GMT -8
I'm with willtalk on this one. I read a lot of posts on this board from Grymek "skeptics". By volume of posts, I'd say willtalk is right to say "most". That said, most of the people I talked to in the real world were more appreciative.
I imagine the same will apply to Brown's shooting. It seems that the coaches are Ok with her taking shots, and I imagine they feel that given some time she'll get the range and timing down. I see it as the risk being worth the reward - we might underperform for a while, but if Brown gets to the point where she can hit even 30% of her threes, it would make her a good offensive option. If she gets to 40%, she's an All-American and we're heading to four straight Final Fours.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 2, 2019 16:38:05 GMT -8
My hope is that KB will shoot at a closer range were she hits a higher % and then gradually move out. This is what most of us do if we aren't hitting our shots. If you keep shooting from a range and not hitting them you start to doubt yourself and then it gets hard to remember which is the top and the bottom of the ball when you shoot.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 2, 2019 16:46:18 GMT -8
My hope is that KB will shoot at a closer range were she hits a higher % and then gradually move out. This is what most of us do if we aren't hitting our shots. If you keep shooting from a range and not hitting them you start to doubt yourself and then it gets hard to remember which is the top and the bottom of the ball when you shoot. I have been thinking exactly what you suggest re: Kennedy having success first closer to the basket, then growing her shooting range. Similar to a baseball player hitting for average vs the home run swing. Drop a few over the infielder's heads and get on base first, make solid contact, and then you can swing for the extra base hit! |
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Post by bvrbooster on Dec 2, 2019 17:11:09 GMT -8
It's really not a question of the threes dropping, it's who's putting up the threes that we hope will drop. As a team, the Beavs are 39.9% on threes, which is 14th in the nation. If you remove Kennedy Brown from the mix, they would be 43.9%, which would be 4th in the nation. She's shot 25 of them, so 3.5 per game, and made but 4. Several of the 21 misses have been absolute bricks. At the moment, it doesn't appear that the 3 point shot is going to be her ticket to the next level. I would not diss Brown just yet. Give her time to adjust to this next level from high school. I am not attempting to 'diss' Brown. I like her defense a lot, and she did score 16 against Liberty. Maybe that will give her a boost. Hope so. I am merely stating the obvious. After 7 games, she has shown little to no prowess shooting from long range. I fully agree that she needs to move inside further and start to see some 12 foot shots start falling with regularity. Some of you do seem to think that she is a proficient 3 point shooter, and is just having an adjustment thing as a freshman. Maybe. I look at the lack of arc on her shot and the seeming lack of confidence in it, and I have my doubts that she'll get anywhere near 30% this year. Hope that, by the time conference play starts, you'll all be telling me that you told me so, but I don't think so. |
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Dec 2, 2019 17:35:09 GMT -8
There is one thing I'm absolutely positive of, by March Kennedy will be much better on offense and Taylor will be much better on defense. With Rueck and staff there is no way it can't be. These are two intelligent young women with phenomenal natural talent. They are also very motivated.
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Post by willtalk on Dec 2, 2019 22:24:16 GMT -8
My hope is that KB will shoot at a closer range were she hits a higher % and then gradually move out. This is what most of us do if we aren't hitting our shots. If you keep shooting from a range and not hitting them you start to doubt yourself and then it gets hard to remember which is the top and the bottom of the ball when you shoot. That was one of my reasons for suggesting she shoot from mid-range. Not only would it help her eventually from distance, but would also create better spacing for the offense. There are always going to be days when a players rhythm is off and they can not buy a basket. On those days it is always good to have an easier fall back shot to help get that rhythm back. A player also needs to recognize when those days are and quit throwing up bricks. That is part of the transition that high school players who were stars on their team need to recognize when they play on the next level with players who were also stars in high school. The place to practice your outside shot is not during games but during practice and private shooting sessions. We know that she wants to develop her outside game and that is one reason she chose Oregon St. They have plenty of height so she will not be stuck playing the post. She has plenty of time to develop her 3 pt shot during her college career. It doesn't all have to happen her freshman year. |
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Post by lotrader on Dec 3, 2019 12:06:45 GMT -8
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