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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 26, 2019 5:23:40 GMT -8
Watched the second half of Stanford game and they 2 nice freshmen with the best being a PG named Terry. Looked like he might have got hurt a bit late, but might have just been cramps. They’ve got an undefeated Butler next, which beat Missouri in first game. On a side note, how do these tournaments make their money. By the look of the crowd it isn’t from the gate.
UCLA lost again, this time to two-loss BYU.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 26, 2019 10:13:02 GMT -8
Watched the second half of Stanford game and they 2 nice freshmen with the best being a PG named Terry. Looked like he might have got hurt a bit late, but might have just been cramps. They’ve got an undefeated Butler next, which beat Missouri in first game. On a side note, how do these tournaments make their money. By the look of the crowd it isn’t from the gate. UCLA lost again, this time to two-loss BYU. In watching a bit of the UCLA game it seems the new coach is really fighting trying to instil a team mentality. Talent may or may not be there, can't tell yet in how they don't play together. UCLA players play like it's open gym, and then each time out get a lesson in what is expected.
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Post by bennyskid on Nov 26, 2019 11:50:26 GMT -8
On a side note, how do these tournaments make their money. By the look of the crowd it isn’t from the gate.
The tourneys aren't real money-makers. For the most part, they get support from the hotels and tourist associations, and some get TV money. That's why almost all tourneys take place over the Thanksgiving and Christmas holidays - times when the hotels in places like Fort Myers, Las Vegas, etc.. are mostly empty.
It's not just basketball. The Rose Bowl started out as just a way to get some tourists to Pasadena. Today it's the ESPN money that dictates the bowl schedule, but until pretty recently, bowl games were generally organized by the tourist industry in sunny places as a way to fill some empty hotel rooms.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 8, 2019 20:48:15 GMT -8
Well the PAC didn't show great in their high profile match-ups over the weekend. #12 Zona lost to #18 Baylor by 5 in a "road" game that they trailed in for almost its entirety until they made it close at the end (the game was at BU but all of their fans were at the Big-12 championship game and the crowd was mostly UA fans). #20 Colorado lost to #2 Kansas by 14 in Kansas #22 UW lost to #9 Gonzaga at home by 7. Cal also lost to Santa Clara by 19. USC did beat TCU by 2 points but TCU hasn't exactly beat anyone of note and lost to Clemson earlier this year who have now lost 3 in a row. Utah, ASU, uo, WSU, UCLA all took care of business against lesser opponents but that isn't doing much for the conference except maintaining status quo. Looking like we won't be getting any help from a "strong" conference this year to boost our resumé ala 2016 at this point. Gonna have to do it all ourselves.
In other news however, Iowa State beat #16 Seton Hall by 10. So that at least helps our SOS out a little bit.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 8, 2019 21:24:34 GMT -8
ISU won in it's rematch with #16 Seton Hall, so that definitely helps. Seton Hall is one of ISU's 3 losses, the other to #4 Michigan. OSU is by far their worst loss, so hopefully they can climb into the rankings. That should be at least a top 50 win come selection time.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 8, 2019 21:47:41 GMT -8
ISU won in it's rematch with #16 Seton Hall, so that definitely helps. Seton Hall is one of ISU's 3 losses, the other to #4 Michigan. OSU is by far their worst loss, so hopefully they can climb into the rankings. That should be at least a top 50 win come selection time. Hopefully when it's all said and done that loss to us won't be seen as a "bad" loss at all if we continue to take care of business. Going off of KenPom rankings, even right now that loss would be seen as a quadrant 1 game for them and a quadrant 2 win for us so I think at the end of the day that game will be somewhat beneficial for both squads. They got a game against a decent opponent early in the season even in a loss, and we hopefully got a resume boosting win come selection time along with an early season quality opponent.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 8, 2019 22:10:21 GMT -8
Well the PAC didn't show great in their high profile match-ups over the weekend. #12 Zona lost to #18 Baylor by 5 in a "road" game that they trailed in for almost its entirety until they made it close at the end (the game was at BU but all of their fans were at the Big-12 championship game and the crowd was mostly UA fans). #20 Colorado lost to #2 Kansas by 14 in Kansas #22 UW lost to #9 Gonzaga at home by 7. Cal also lost to Santa Clara by 19. USC did beat TCU by 2 points but TCU hasn't exactly beat anyone of note and lost to Clemson earlier this year who have now lost 3 in a row. Utah, ASU, uo, WSU, UCLA all took care of business against lesser opponents but that isn't doing much for the conference except maintaining status quo. Looking like we won't be getting any help from a "strong" conference this year to boost our resumé ala 2016 at this point. Gonna have to do it all ourselves.
In other news however, Iowa State beat #16 Seton Hall by 10. So that at least helps our SOS out a little bit.
Pac-12 still has the third-best winning percentage of major conferences. The Pac-12 is off to its best non-conference start since 2014 (six bids), a hair better than 2016 (seven bids). You do not want to see weekends like this one, but, so far, they have been the exception and not the rule. RPI would be eating the start up with a spoon. I am curious as to how it will work out with the NET.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 8, 2019 22:33:18 GMT -8
Well the PAC didn't show great in their high profile match-ups over the weekend. #12 Zona lost to #18 Baylor by 5 in a "road" game that they trailed in for almost its entirety until they made it close at the end (the game was at BU but all of their fans were at the Big-12 championship game and the crowd was mostly UA fans). #20 Colorado lost to #2 Kansas by 14 in Kansas #22 UW lost to #9 Gonzaga at home by 7. Cal also lost to Santa Clara by 19. USC did beat TCU by 2 points but TCU hasn't exactly beat anyone of note and lost to Clemson earlier this year who have now lost 3 in a row. Utah, ASU, uo, WSU, UCLA all took care of business against lesser opponents but that isn't doing much for the conference except maintaining status quo. Looking like we won't be getting any help from a "strong" conference this year to boost our resumé ala 2016 at this point. Gonna have to do it all ourselves.
In other news however, Iowa State beat #16 Seton Hall by 10. So that at least helps our SOS out a little bit.
Pac-12 still has the third-best winning percentage of major conferences. The Pac-12 is off to its best non-conference start since 2014 (six bids), a hair better than 2016 (seven bids). You do not want to see weekends like this one, but, so far, they have been the exception and not the rule. RPI would be eating the start up with a spoon. I am curious as to how it will work out with the NET. First NET rankings out on the 16th I believe. Stanford gets a shot at Kansas later this month as well, Zona has GU left, uo travels to Michigan, ASU plays a meh UGA team, a decent Saint Mary's squad, and Creighton, Utah goes to Kentucky and gets an undefeated SDSU later, UCLA plays UNC still, CU gets a good Dayton team, and we still travel to a mediocre A&M. So some good games still left for sure. Hopefully most of those teams (other than uo) get some wins to help everyone out.
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Post by beaverinohio on Dec 9, 2019 3:30:00 GMT -8
Texas A&M lost to Texas this weekend. They really struggle scoring — only topping 70 once and 60 twice in 8 games. Their record stands at 3-5 with 4 straight losses.
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 9, 2019 12:02:04 GMT -8
Well the PAC didn't show great in their high profile match-ups over the weekend. #12 Zona lost to #18 Baylor by 5 in a "road" game that they trailed in for almost its entirety until they made it close at the end (the game was at BU but all of their fans were at the Big-12 championship game and the crowd was mostly UA fans). #20 Colorado lost to #2 Kansas by 14 in Kansas #22 UW lost to #9 Gonzaga at home by 7. Cal also lost to Santa Clara by 19. USC did beat TCU by 2 points but TCU hasn't exactly beat anyone of note and lost to Clemson earlier this year who have now lost 3 in a row. Utah, ASU, uo, WSU, UCLA all took care of business against lesser opponents but that isn't doing much for the conference except maintaining status quo. Looking like we won't be getting any help from a "strong" conference this year to boost our resumé ala 2016 at this point. Gonna have to do it all ourselves.
In other news however, Iowa State beat #16 Seton Hall by 10. So that at least helps our SOS out a little bit.
Missed opportunity weekend, but I probably wouldn't say it was a bad weekend overall. Zona is the only real black eye. a game they needed to win. Colorado and UW were both dogs in their game going in. Both would of been big time upsets. To be fair to Santa Clara, they also beat WSU by 12 (lost to Stanford) and are 9-2 so far (bad loss to Nevada as well) in the fairly competitive WCC. But, yeah. Pac-12 need to rack up a couple marquee wins if we are going to get more than a couple teams in.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 9, 2019 12:15:42 GMT -8
Well the PAC didn't show great in their high profile match-ups over the weekend. #12 Zona lost to #18 Baylor by 5 in a "road" game that they trailed in for almost its entirety until they made it close at the end (the game was at BU but all of their fans were at the Big-12 championship game and the crowd was mostly UA fans). #20 Colorado lost to #2 Kansas by 14 in Kansas #22 UW lost to #9 Gonzaga at home by 7. Cal also lost to Santa Clara by 19. USC did beat TCU by 2 points but TCU hasn't exactly beat anyone of note and lost to Clemson earlier this year who have now lost 3 in a row. Utah, ASU, uo, WSU, UCLA all took care of business against lesser opponents but that isn't doing much for the conference except maintaining status quo. Looking like we won't be getting any help from a "strong" conference this year to boost our resumé ala 2016 at this point. Gonna have to do it all ourselves.
In other news however, Iowa State beat #16 Seton Hall by 10. So that at least helps our SOS out a little bit.
Missed opportunity weekend, but I probably wouldn't say it was a bad weekend overall. Zona is the only real black eye. a game they needed to win. Colorado and UW were both dogs in their game going in. Both would of been big time upsets. To be fair to Santa Clara, they also beat WSU by 12 (lost to Stanford) and are 9-2 so far (bad loss to Nevada as well) in the fairly competitive WCC. But, yeah. Pac-12 need to rack up a couple marquee wins if we are going to get more than a couple teams in. Yeah, especially UW game. It was 3 pt game with 24 secs left. UW answered Zags, blow for blow. Very good game with tourney feel. Both of those teams are talented and 8+ deep. I think UW may give a couple teams a run for their $ for the Pac12 title.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 9, 2019 13:12:24 GMT -8
Posted on the wrong board... NCAA site is great for both WBB and MBB. For those in to stats and comaprisons: OK... but I like KenPom for many things. OSU rated 7th in Pac12 overall and right now only one Pac12 team with a lower NC SOS OSU 311, UCLA 315). And, the remaining schedule will not help it out much. NCAA stats... OSU 10th in Pac12, 229th overall: Teams played: 37-32 (53.6%) Teams to play: Ark PB 1-7, USTA 3-6, Texas AM 3-5, NDakota 4-7... 11- 21 (34.4%) Great page for those interested... stats.ncaa.org/rankings/ranking_summaryMBB, Div 1, Ranking Summary tab, Pac12 Cool view of major stat leaders in the conference and the national ranking, national leader.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 9, 2019 16:07:48 GMT -8
Right now Warren Nolan has us at a #74 RPI with a 203 strength of schedule, need a few more of our opponents to upset some people, and win out the preseason - can't afford a loss to a 3rd or 4th quadrant team.
74 Ore St 7-1 74 203 7-1 71 203 5-0 1-0 1-1 0-1 0-0 2-0 5-0
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 11, 2019 0:17:21 GMT -8
Another one. Down goes colorado at home to unranked UNI. 79-76. Thatll drop then from the rankings for sure. UNI is now 9-1 with the win and have lost to West Virginia and beaten South Carolina. Look to be a decent team at the very least, no other wins over anyone if note though.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 11, 2019 14:33:11 GMT -8
Right now Warren Nolan has us at a #74 RPI with a 203 strength of schedule, need a few more of our opponents to upset some people, and win out the preseason - can't afford a loss to a 3rd or 4th quadrant team. 74 Ore St 7-1 74 203 7-1 71 203 5-0 1-0 1-1 0-1 0-0 2-0 5-0 64 Ore St 7-1 64 178 7-1 63 173 5-0 1-0 1-1 0-1 0-0 2-0 5-0 Oregon State jumped up 10 spots in the last two days. I think some of that is Grambling's road win against ULM (45-place RPI jump). The rest appears to be opponents' opponents.
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