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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 10:14:14 GMT -8
Beavs lost leverage in a close game because Oklahoma started making 3's. Oklahoma got many second chance opportunities on offensive rebounds and this fueled their shooting spree. Beavs missed close shots early then started taking bad shots, had a little bit of panic and then it got out of hand. Observations- OK seemed to have fresher legs and was obviously a more athletic team. Oregon State matched their athleticism in the first half and beat Oklahoma to spots and matched them bucket for bucket with good sets and good passes before they seemed to get tired and start missing shots at the rim. Not sure why Oregon State was sapped and Oklahoma energized. Just one of those nights. Apparently the sooners were well rested from arriving in Portland a couple of days earlier. They were ready for sure and looked every bit a tournament team. Some positives- Ethan was more assertive on Offensive, missed some close shots but he was creating good looks. Dastrup was active on the inside. That's a good sign. He eats up space and can bang when he is motivated. The game stayed close in the first half even with Tres not scoring. Teams are going to double and triple team him all year. The other starters can take advantage. Hollins and Reichle got off to good starts. Just need these two guys to play a complete game. Speaking of fresher legs. I don't recall ever seeing a post player (Kelly, Dastrup) set up under the basket on a zone defense and continually run up and guard a player out past the top of the key and then chase the ball as it's passed into the vacuum created by their departure. That's crazy, imho. Running from baseline to baseline is enough for any center, but to then have them constantly run out to the perimeter? MB. Ok so, Kelley can defend out front and then recover to swat away shots because he is really fast for a 7 foot guy. I think that is a great way to use him on D. Maximize his coverage. I think OK struggled with that, you could see it on their faces, frowns and concern. Guy did have 4 blocks right? And Jay Bilas the espn2 commentator mentioned Kelley could be Pac 12 Defensive player of the year. But then Kelley went to the bench for a long stretch. I agree with you Dastrup can, in no way, emulate the stretch coverage that Kelley does. Only GP II and Kelley can do that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 10:16:00 GMT -8
Well... I'm of a different opinion in that I've never seen this team as a tourney team. Hence, I sort of expected this vs Iowa State. Oklahoma is predicted 8th or 9th in a 10 team league. I was impressed with our play vs Iowa State, but it was on the strength of crazy good shooting from 3. Tonight I was impressed by a young Oklahoma team. Deep, athletic, very good m2m defense. OSU can't match up athletically with them or about 5-6 Pac12 teams. This should be great film to learn from if they think that they are truly a upper tier Pac12 team. Me too. Anybody who didn't see a tourney team watching them last night is out of their mind. Oklahoma could win the pac 12 with some seasoning.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2019 10:26:21 GMT -8
Coached by former NBAer... look like a NBA team. Go one on one while 4 guys stand and watch. Obviously I'm no NBA scout, but have no idea how anyone sees #1 pick... even lottery pick... with the Wiseman kid. He's very limited/slight for a NBA big. You’re right. You’re obviously not an NBA scout. Should’ve stopped there. From your insightful posts... ha... should have stopped... at registering. It may be beyond you, but try offering some actual knowledge to the board.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2019 10:28:21 GMT -8
Well... I'm of a different opinion in that I've never seen this team as a tourney team. Hence, I sort of expected this vs Iowa State. Oklahoma is predicted 8th or 9th in a 10 team league. I was impressed with our play vs Iowa State, but it was on the strength of crazy good shooting from 3. Tonight I was impressed by a young Oklahoma team. Deep, athletic, very good m2m defense. OSU can't match up athletically with them or about 5-6 Pac12 teams. This should be great film to learn from if they think that they are truly a upper tier Pac12 team. Me too. Anybody who didn't see a tourney team watching them last night is out of their mind. Oklahoma could win the pac 12 with some seasoning. Plus... I'm biased... always loved Lon Kruger as a coach!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 10:37:55 GMT -8
Reichle should not be playing these amounts of minutes. No way, no how. honestly who do you think comes in for him and even gives close to his production? I am not saying beavs shouldn't have a roster that lets Reichle be a great second unit guy but they don't have the roster. Reality.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 13, 2019 10:54:49 GMT -8
Me too. Anybody who didn't see a tourney team watching them last night is out of their mind. Oklahoma could win the pac 12 with some seasoning. Plus... I'm biased... always loved Lon Kruger as a coach! Yeah, Kruger is a heck of a coach. He's won everywhere he's been except maybe the NBA. He's actually made Oklahoma relevant in basketball. Considering he's taken about 20 teams to NCAA tourney, I wouldn't be surprised to see this year's OK team do the same.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2019 10:58:49 GMT -8
Plus... I'm biased... always loved Lon Kruger as a coach! Yeah, Kruger is a heck of a coach. He's won everywhere he's been except maybe the NBA. He's actually made Oklahoma relevant in basketball. Considering he's taken about 20 teams to NCAA tourney, I wouldn't be surprised to see this year's OK team do the same. Historic type stuff...600+ wins, 5 teams to NCAA, at least one win in tourney with 5 teams, 22 of 29 seasons in the tourney. Crazy that you can be that successful at that many different places.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2019 11:01:44 GMT -8
honestly who do you think comes in for him and even gives close to his production? I am not saying beavs shouldn't have a roster that lets Reichle be a great second unit guy but they don't have the roster. Reality. Tinkle just needs a few more recruiting classes, give him time. He's only had like 5 or 6. Touche! 🍻
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Nov 13, 2019 11:03:53 GMT -8
Reichle should not be playing these amounts of minutes. No way, no how. What games have you been watching? I was as low on ZR as anyone last year but he has been a different player this year and our team has been better with him on the floor.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 13, 2019 11:07:20 GMT -8
Reichle should not be playing these amounts of minutes. No way, no how. honestly who do you think comes in for him and even gives close to his production? I am not saying beavs shouldn't have a roster that lets Reichle be a great second unit guy but they don't have the roster. Reality. Unfortunately, you're right. But I'm hoping WT uses the next 7 games to give his bench some experience. I'd love to see him cut Hollins, Reichle, TT and Ethan's minutes by 4 or 5 each and give most of that time to SMM, Hunt, and Franklin with a few minutes for Tucker and a few more for Vernon. I'd include Lucas in there, but he's already averaging 17 mpg. If the Beavers can't win the next 7 games with mildly reduced minutes for those 4 starters for most games during that stretch then it is going to be a long season.
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Post by mb on Nov 13, 2019 11:20:48 GMT -8
Speaking of fresher legs. I don't recall ever seeing a post player (Kelly, Dastrup) set up under the basket on a zone defense and continually run up and guard a player out past the top of the key and then chase the ball as it's passed into the vacuum created by their departure. That's crazy, imho. Running from baseline to baseline is enough for any center, but to then have them constantly run out to the perimeter? MB. Ok so, Kelley can defend out front and then recover to swat away shots because he is really fast for a 7 foot guy. I think that is a great way to use him on D. Maximize his coverage. I think OK struggled with that, you could see it on their faces, frowns and concern. Guy did have 4 blocks right? And Jay Bilas the espn2 commentator mentioned Kelley could be Pac 12 Defensive player of the year. But then Kelley went to the bench for a long stretch. I agree with you Dastrup can, in no way, emulate the stretch coverage that Kelley does. Only GP II and Kelley can do that. No argument that Kelley is capable of disrupting and getting back. I guess my point is, in the later stages of the game, I saw on more than one occasion, where he was flat footed and not going after a rebound he would normally own. Just seems weird to me. MB.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 11:23:23 GMT -8
Ok so, Kelley can defend out front and then recover to swat away shots because he is really fast for a 7 foot guy. I think that is a great way to use him on D. Maximize his coverage. I think OK struggled with that, you could see it on their faces, frowns and concern. Guy did have 4 blocks right? And Jay Bilas the espn2 commentator mentioned Kelley could be Pac 12 Defensive player of the year. But then Kelley went to the bench for a long stretch. I agree with you Dastrup can, in no way, emulate the stretch coverage that Kelley does. Only GP II and Kelley can do that. No argument that Kelley is capable of disrupting and getting back. I guess my point is, in the later stages of the game, I saw on more than one occasion, where he was flat footed and not going after a rebound he would normally own. Just seems weird to me. MB. Agreed something weird happened with Kelley in the second half. He only had 2 fouls at that point but he was out of the game at a critical stretch and then when he came back wasn't bounding around like he had been. Hope he's not ailing.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 13, 2019 11:31:12 GMT -8
Yeah, Kruger is a heck of a coach. He's won everywhere he's been except maybe the NBA. He's actually made Oklahoma relevant in basketball. Considering he's taken about 20 teams to NCAA tourney, I wouldn't be surprised to see this year's OK team do the same. Historic type stuff...600+ wins, 5 teams to NCAA, at least one win in tourney with 5 teams, 22 of 29 seasons in the tourney. Crazy that you can be that successful at that many different places. Yeah, 3 of those tourney appearances were with my Illini before he left to coach Atlanta Hawks. And Bill Self's Elite Eight and Sweet Sixteen Illinois squads were made up almost entirely of Kruger recruits.
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Post by green85 on Nov 13, 2019 11:45:50 GMT -8
Just a couple of observations ... I did not see the entire game.
The OSU team I saw in the first half looks good. I liked the play of both Hollins and Reichle in the first half. Their scoring showed good Basketball IQ. And their hustle contributed to good plays for the Beavers.
I watched Tres Tinkle off the ball in the early going - he seemed to be "hanging out around the perimeter" without much movement to get open. I was surprised that there were not many set plays for off-ball screens to get Tinkle open to receive the ball. I agree that Tres is not the most dynamic 1-on-1 player, but he does have good ball skills (passing) and a fairly quick release on his jump shot that I think some screens to pop him open on the wing at 15 - 17 feet would result in better offense for the entire team. Thought the Beavers crashed the offensive boards well in the 1st half, but failed to finish with put-backs several times. Ethan Thompson looks like he is pressing whenever he drives towards the hoops - maybe it is just his style of movement, but the "out-of-control" nature of his drives may contribute to the missed close in shots and layups.
I think the Beavers can and will play better as the season progresses. NCAA Tourney team - maybe.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 13, 2019 13:45:06 GMT -8
Looking on the bright side, with the late start for the game I believe the Beavers avoided being the first Pac 12 team to lose to an out of conference opponent. The honor goes to WSU as their game against Santa Clara started an hour later.
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