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Post by steinlager on Nov 12, 2019 22:42:53 GMT -8
During the first half Beavs were running a good offense with some nice screens being set. As soon as some shots didn't fall in the second half they panicked and started going one on one too much. I'm choosing to be hopeful that the first half team will be one we see from here on out. Hollins and Reichle played well for 20 minutes but weren't factors in the last 20.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 12, 2019 23:01:39 GMT -8
Well... I'm of a different opinion in that I've never seen this team as a tourney team. Hence, I sort of expected this vs Iowa State. Oklahoma is predicted 8th or 9th in a 10 team league.
I was impressed with our play vs Iowa State, but it was on the strength of crazy good shooting from 3.
Tonight I was impressed by a young Oklahoma team. Deep, athletic, very good m2m defense. OSU can't match up athletically with them or about 5-6 Pac12 teams.
This should be great film to learn from if they think that they are truly a upper tier Pac12 team.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Nov 12, 2019 23:18:48 GMT -8
Well... I'm of a different opinion in that I've never seen this team as a tourney team. Hence, I sort of expected this vs Iowa State. Oklahoma is predicted 8th or 9th in a 10 team league. I was impressed with our play vs Iowa State, but it was on the strength of crazy good shooting from 3. Tonight I was impressed by a young Oklahoma team. Deep, athletic, very good m2m defense. OSU can't match up athletically with them or about 5-6 Pac12 teams. This should be great film to learn from if they think that they are truly a upper tier Pac12 team. I'm still in wait and see mode for if I think this team is tourney worthy. I agree that I was impressed by Oklahoma. I thought they ran the floor well and were very athletic and disrupted our offense with their athleticism well. They also got hot from 3 similar to how we were hot against ISU.
In the end I think we played well enough to win for about 32 minutes of the game today. Missed too many open looks and had a few panicked possessions on O during the 2nd half drought that led to some easy buckets on the other end. E's play in particular worries me over the last three games but I'm confident he'll find it and be fine going forward. If he plays a normal game for him today the outcome is different and the ISU game isn't close on Saturday. Reichle and Hollins continue to be pleasant surprises as well.
I see this game as more of a missed opportunity to build a resume more than anything to be ashamed of. A win here would have given the team some breathing room and likely would have started some national conversation in early bracket projections as long as they kept winning games. I think this OU team finishes better than their preseason position in the Big-12 and makes the tourney. If you would have offered me 2-1 through 3 at the beginning of the season I would've taken it so it's hard for me to get too worked up over this result even though it felt like a winnable game.
Now it's time to avoid losses to the teams we're supposed to beat leading up to A&M and hopefully finish out the OOC schedule with 10 or 11 wins. Anything less and I'll have serious doubts about any tourney appearance this year because that means we did pick up a "bad loss" that could haunt us come selection time.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 12, 2019 23:29:12 GMT -8
Well... I'm of a different opinion in that I've never seen this team as a tourney team. Hence, I sort of expected this vs Iowa State. Oklahoma is predicted 8th or 9th in a 10 team league. I was impressed with our play vs Iowa State, but it was on the strength of crazy good shooting from 3. Tonight I was impressed by a young Oklahoma team. Deep, athletic, very good m2m defense. OSU can't match up athletically with them or about 5-6 Pac12 teams. This should be great film to learn from if they think that they are truly a upper tier Pac12 team. Well, on the other hand, OU shot 50% from 3pt land in this game, which will be well above their average, and struggled at times to score inside against Kelly, so the script flipped a bit. But the bottom line is that if TT, KK and ET aren't doing much scoring for 3/4ths of the game, we aren't going to beat anybody. They finally got going in what amounted to garbage time ... I'm doubt the defensive switch would have had the same outcome had it not been at 20 pts down. To pile on, I really don't get why Lucas isn't looking for 3s more, he had a few looks late when the first decent look should have been him getting a 3 off. It's almost like he has a red light, which would make no sense. We really need a scoring punch off the bench, and I thought he'd be the best candidate ... at a loss for how a kid who took shots in volume in HS has suddenly lost his confidence in his scoring.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 13, 2019 0:02:46 GMT -8
Well... I'm of a different opinion in that I've never seen this team as a tourney team. Hence, I sort of expected this vs Iowa State. Oklahoma is predicted 8th or 9th in a 10 team league. I was impressed with our play vs Iowa State, but it was on the strength of crazy good shooting from 3. Tonight I was impressed by a young Oklahoma team. Deep, athletic, very good m2m defense. OSU can't match up athletically with them or about 5-6 Pac12 teams. This should be great film to learn from if they think that they are truly a upper tier Pac12 team. Well, on the other hand, OU shot 50% from 3pt land in this game, which will be well above their average, and struggled at times to score inside against Kelly, so the script flipped a bit. But the bottom line is that if TT, KK and ET aren't doing much scoring for 3/4ths of the game, we aren't going to beat anybody. They finally got going in what amounted to garbage time ... I'm doubt the defensive switch would have had the same outcome had it not been at 20 pts down. To pile on, I really don't get why Lucas isn't looking for 3s more, he had a few looks late when the first decent look should have been him getting a 3 off. It's almost like he has a red light, which would make no sense. We really need a scoring punch off the bench, and I thought he'd be the best candidate ... at a loss for how a kid who took shots in volume in HS has suddenly lost his confidence in his scoring. Lucas was intimated... he took some early 3s/shots and he really rushed things. He was off balance and timid, but it's a big jump in talent level for him. He scored a ton in HS, but not in the upper level of Cali schools. He has to adjust to not being close to the best athlete/scorer in the floor. I'm more concerned how fast the bench shortens.
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Post by bspp on Nov 13, 2019 7:11:58 GMT -8
Memphis just doesn’t look very good. Lots of duck fans during the first game as expected but most of the Beaver fans I’ve seen so far are wearing ... BLACK? Coached by former NBAer... look like a NBA team. Go one on one while 4 guys stand and watch. Obviously I'm no NBA scout, but have no idea how anyone sees #1 pick... even lottery pick... with the Wiseman kid. He's very limited/slight for a NBA big. You’re right. You’re obviously not an NBA scout. Should’ve stopped there.
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Post by beaverinohio on Nov 13, 2019 7:20:21 GMT -8
I only saw bits and pieces of the game, but the game played out very similar to the OK-Minnesota game I watched. In that game, OK kind of hung in there in first half and then started hitting 3s and played better in the second half. One thing I was worried about was they seem to have some flexibility with their scoring (top scores in their first game were Reaves and Harmon with 23 and Manek with 16, while in their second game they were Manek 17, Bieniemy 15 and Reaves 11) and that played out with Doolittle leading them against the Beavers with 19. So the outcome wasn't totally unexpected, but I hoped with being at home Beavs would come out on top. And just looking at the box score, if you told me Hollins would score 12, Reichle 10 and Dastrup would have 5 and 5 I would have thought the Beavers would win.
I'm hoping that WT starts getting the bench more involved over the next 7 games. An away game at Wyoming looks like a good place to start with that. They're 1-1, but they only scored 54 points in their win and 32 in their loss to South Carolina. Beavers beat them by 19 last year at home, and do everything Justin James (18 points, 10 rebs, and 9 assists in last year's game) has taken his game to NBA. Hunter Maldonado is their only player to score in double figures in both games with 32 in opener against Idaho St. but only 10 against SC. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like game will be on TV.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2019 7:35:50 GMT -8
Beavs lost leverage in a close game because Oklahoma started making 3's. Oklahoma got many second chance opportunities on offensive rebounds and this fueled their shooting spree. Beavs missed close shots early then started taking bad shots, had a little bit of panic and then it got out of hand.
Observations- OK seemed to have fresher legs and was obviously a more athletic team. Oregon State matched their athleticism in the first half and beat Oklahoma to spots and matched them bucket for bucket with good sets and good passes before they seemed to get tired and start missing shots at the rim. Not sure why Oregon State was sapped and Oklahoma energized. Just one of those nights. Apparently the sooners were well rested from arriving in Portland a couple of days earlier. They were ready for sure and looked every bit a tournament team.
Some positives-
Ethan was more assertive on Offensive, missed some close shots but he was creating good looks. Dastrup was active on the inside. That's a good sign. He eats up space and can bang when he is motivated. The game stayed close in the first half even with Tres not scoring. Teams are going to double and triple team him all year. The other starters can take advantage. Hollins and Reichle got off to good starts. Just need these two guys to play a complete game.
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Post by joeavocado on Nov 13, 2019 8:43:21 GMT -8
I was surprised with how un-athletic OSU's entire roster appears to be, although that has been a trend recently. They also seem to have no plan for how to get Tinkle open in their offense. I kept waiting for screens to be set for him or a double screen play. Instead everyone stands around and watches him go 1-on-1, which is not his strength as he ends up forcing up a bad shot if he can't draw a foul. No one on this team appears to be able to take someone off the dribble, too slow, they need to run an offense to free people up, but other than out-of-bounds plays, there does not seem to be much of a plan. The scouting report for other PAC12 teams is pretty simple, smother Tinkle, and make someone else beat you, which doesn't bode well for OSU unless someone steps up. I'm skeptical that E. Thompson is capable of being that guy.
And props to Uncle Phil and his buddies for staying to the bitter end of the OSU game last night after most of the uo fans were long gone.
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 13, 2019 8:55:26 GMT -8
Reichle should not be playing these amounts of minutes. No way, no how.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 13, 2019 9:17:46 GMT -8
I was surprised with how un-athletic OSU's entire roster appears to be, although that has been a trend recently. They also seem to have no plan for how to get Tinkle open in their offense. I kept waiting for screens to be set for him or a double screen play. Instead everyone stands around and watches him go 1-on-1, which is not his strength as he ends up forcing up a bad shot if he can't draw a foul. No one on this team appears to be able to take someone off the dribble, too slow, they need to run an offense to free people up, but other than out-of-bounds plays, there does not seem to be much of a plan. The scouting report for other PAC12 teams is pretty simple, smother Tinkle, and make someone else beat you, which doesn't bode well for OSU unless someone steps up. I'm skeptical that E. Thompson is capable of being that guy. And props to Uncle Phil and his buddies for staying to the bitter end of the OSU game last night after most of the uo fans were long gone. Reichle, Ethan, Tres on the floor at the same time is an uh-oh in the lateral quickness dept (add Dastrup or Silva to that group? oof). Can make up for some of that with smarts and active hands, being in the right place, etc but there are going to be times when we get exposed. Like way back to yesterday for example.
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Post by TheGlove on Nov 13, 2019 9:23:58 GMT -8
Reichle should not be playing these amounts of minutes. No way, no how. Agreed. He's a liability on O and D. Only value he can bring is if he can be the long distance bomber. And he's very inconsistent in this role. His effort and hustle are to be commended and does probably add some intangibles there. He's physically dominated in most match ups at this level. Perfect example of ZR... Makes a great effort/hustle play to grab and offensive rebound and then gets stuffed at the rim trying to put it back up. It seems like I've seen this a million times, but it has probably only been 50.
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Post by beavheart on Nov 13, 2019 9:57:42 GMT -8
Reichle should not be playing these amounts of minutes. No way, no how. Agreed. He's a liability on O and D. Only value he can bring is if he can be the long distance bomber. And he's very inconsistent in this role. His effort and hustle are to be commended and does probably add some intangibles there. He's physically dominated in most match ups at this level. Perfect example of ZR... Makes a great effort/hustle play to grab and offensive rebound and then gets stuffed at the rim trying to put it back up. It seems like I've seen this a million times, but it has probably only been 50. Eh, I didn't think Reichle was our problem. He was at least hustling around out there, and can make a lay up. ET on the other hand... just brutal. WHY for the love of God does Tinkle insist on him being our point guard? He's not even that good of a facilitator, and even when he breaks down his defender and drives to the hoop he doesn't seem to have any idea how to finish. 0-7 in the first half. Get's blocked on an open 1on1 break away by a guy smaller than him in the second half when we still had a chance at a come back. Why?, because he just doesn't seem to have an idea around the hoop. He's about 50/50 on his little turn-around jumper, and everything else just looks like a guy who is a tremendous athlete, but barely an above average basketball player. We have 2 point guards, and they will never become anything more than bit players that barely make an impact if they NEVER SEE THE FLOOR. It's early. They can recover, but the difference in athleticism in this game was startling. And OK is just average, at best. My confidence is really shaken at this point that this team will be anything more than it has been for the last several years.
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Post by mb on Nov 13, 2019 9:59:20 GMT -8
Beavs lost leverage in a close game because Oklahoma started making 3's. Oklahoma got many second chance opportunities on offensive rebounds and this fueled their shooting spree. Beavs missed close shots early then started taking bad shots, had a little bit of panic and then it got out of hand. Observations- OK seemed to have fresher legs and was obviously a more athletic team. Oregon State matched their athleticism in the first half and beat Oklahoma to spots and matched them bucket for bucket with good sets and good passes before they seemed to get tired and start missing shots at the rim. Not sure why Oregon State was sapped and Oklahoma energized. Just one of those nights. Apparently the sooners were well rested from arriving in Portland a couple of days earlier. They were ready for sure and looked every bit a tournament team. Some positives- Ethan was more assertive on Offensive, missed some close shots but he was creating good looks. Dastrup was active on the inside. That's a good sign. He eats up space and can bang when he is motivated. The game stayed close in the first half even with Tres not scoring. Teams are going to double and triple team him all year. The other starters can take advantage. Hollins and Reichle got off to good starts. Just need these two guys to play a complete game. Speaking of fresher legs. I don't recall ever seeing a post player (Kelly, Dastrup) set up under the basket on a zone defense and continually run up and guard a player out past the top of the key and then chase the ball as it's passed into the vacuum created by their departure. That's crazy, imho. Running from baseline to baseline is enough for any center, but to then have them constantly run out to the perimeter? MB.
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Post by billsaab on Nov 13, 2019 10:03:09 GMT -8
Too my way of thinking Ethan is getting to many minutes. He missed 4 Lay ups. He is out of control a lot. Do not like his game. No wonder kids transfer out. Many get spotty minutes. Don't care for Hollins game either. Don't expect it to change. Too many minutes for 3 guys and not enough freedom for the others.. Their coach has been around and makes better adjustments than Tinkle does. Not even close.
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