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Post by bennyskid on Nov 6, 2019 9:23:17 GMT -8
That's a tough name to have on your back your whole basketball life. His dad should have kept the Artest name and let the kid put Peace on his jersey.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 9:53:07 GMT -8
Wrong takes i think. First, the bench players didn't really show enough to merit more minutes. If anything the starters solidified their roles. Only Lucas got even close to 20 minutes of court time and made somewhat of an impression. I like the win, mbb has often lost out in these early season uprisings but it took a heavy helping of The Usual to get it done. CSN stayed within 10 most of the game and wasn't overwhelmed by anything the beavs did. Tres wore them out finally but that was the only deciding factor i could see. Tres and his 25 10 took advantage of a bad team and and his yeoman work was the difference. It was a 20 point win but it wasn't a blowout. Northridge couldn't make a late run and got tired at the end but they had plenty of opportunity. Tres scrapping for put backs just killed them. A team that blocks out properly will get that rebound and possession instead of giving up cheap points. And the putbacks happened because of not finishing. How many missed close range shots? Even Kelley missed shots right at the rim. Ethan? Did not finish numerous times. Reichle drew some fouls on his misses by going hard to the rack. I hope that's the Reichle we get now. Assertive, physical and finishing his jumper. He looks much stronger out there. Still not going to want to expose him in man to man against faster guards but he is going to stand his ground and not get out positioned in the pain. Tres and him are like the scrap brothers, always getting in passing lanes and crashing for boards. I would like to see which one of the new guys can join Tres and Reichle as scrappers. I have come to accept that ET is a gentleman and a scholar and carries himself with dignity. But he leaves the door open to someone who brings the nasty. There is a place for graceful and poised play but this team needs to create runs instead of waiting for them to start on their own. And they need to bring some disdain for the opposition instead of just wearing them down with good manners and Tres hustle plays. Basketball is a game of runs and feeding frenzy and turning up the D when you smell weakness. Not really getting that from ET or Hollins. And along with that i didnt see any quick hitting screen-and-cut called plays in the half court offense to control the pace when there's no run out. Still too many shot clock throw ups for a line up that has so much "experience". Next step for this team is to get decisive and play with summary execution instead of judge judy.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 6, 2019 11:05:48 GMT -8
First... I love the new set up of the game summaries on the OSU site... individual and game stats, plus easy link to box score readily available! Much better... congrats whomever reorganized it. No matter what WT states, there was plenty of time to get Vernon in the game. It's not like a 5-7 min spread over ET's minutes at the point, or going with both Vernon and Hunt (although Hunt only got 5 min?!) wasn't totally doable the last 4-5 min with a 20+ point lead (up 20 at the 4:47 mark). There was NO reason for the key "three" to be in there the last 3-4 minutes... 37, 36 for ET and TT. ZR played well vs CSUN, but SMM needs to get more than a scant 10 min, especially when Hollins shows he isn't progressing. It seems the plan is for ET to man the PG slot, with Lucas being the 6th man right now. It's game #1... I'm hoping to see some actual game time development of players that makes us truly 7-8 deep in Pac12 play. As far as inside... Dastrup and Silva totaled 15 min and were fine right next to the hoop vs a CSUN team. But, KK needs to be able to play 30+ as neither provides much of a defensive presence. I'd love to see Tucker get lots of minutes vs the weakest of teams we will face. He seems to have the quick twitch big body that just needs minutes of live action to gain confidence and let the game slow down. He may be a project, but he has twice the upside than Silva and Dastrup... IMHO. Unless it changes it boils down the same limited exposure for guys who'll be needed down the stretch. Out of one side of his mouth Wt states he thinks guys got run down last year and we need to play more guys earlier to take the load off later, and in game one even in a blow out it really doesn't happen. Two guys shouldn't take over 50% of the shots vs this competition. If the recruits really are who we are told then they should be able to hold their own vs this type of opponent... and, need to be able to show it... or not!?
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Post by obf on Nov 6, 2019 11:10:17 GMT -8
Seemed to me: - Alfred Hollins is a D1 Athlete, but not a D1 Basketball player. He has sucked up enough starting minutes for this experiment to be over now. SMM or Lucas should be starting. The sooner those two are integrated fully the better our team will be. Seriously if he starts against Iowa state I will be disappointed. Come on WT, we are talking about a Junior here, not someone you have only had a few practices with. If you can't score a single point, are totally invisible, and be the only starter with a negative +/- against a undermanned CSUN, all of which is further evidence ontop of the 2 other years of eveidence, then you aren't a starter on a team who has eyes on making teh NCAA Tourney. Make the tough decsion, Wayne, and start someone else.
- The other "veteran" that I was ready to rail against before the game as not being a starter, I will begrudgingly give credit to. Way to go, Zach, I hope you continue to show energy and scrap. Especially against some tough competition in Iowa State. If Zach plays like he did last night for the whole year he would be getting votes for teh Pac-12 Most imporved player award (do they have that in MBB?)
- Calling it now, Lucas will be a star in the Pac-12 even his defense was better than I was expecting and I had high expectations. No reason to slow play this, he should be getting at least 20 minutes a game, and Ethan should be feeling the pressure on his starting spot. If we wanted to be rakish we would just give him Hollins starting spot, but that would be 4 guards and KK, which I think would be awesome, but might offends some of the more traditional fans.
- Kylor Kelly will be all Pac-12 first team and be moving up draft boards if he isn't careful. Especially if he can get his FT% to around 70%. The biggest problem for Kelly is Tres and company keep stealing his rebounds That and foul trouble of course. If he ends the season with 18/8/4 (pts/reb/blk) averages we are in the NCAA tourney and he is being talking about in the first round.
- I disagree with @blochese here. CSUN is a non-trivial opponent, and by mid way through the "second quarter" (It is SOOOO dumb that MBB still doesn't have quarters), the outcome was no longer in doubt. Basketball ebbs and flows, that is just the nature of the game, so the monarchs got the socre differential under 10 a couple of times, but it was never closer than 8 (maybe it was 6 once?) and even then only very briefly and OSU would push the lead back to low teens, and it WASN'T always Tres pushing it back. KK had some clutch moments, even ZACH had a couple clutch baskets! In strong distiction from the last few years I never felt nervous about this game especially in the second half, whereas even games against other 200ish rpi teams in non conference the last few years have been nail biters.or at least felt like nailbiters. Not last night though.
- Probably to be expected with it being the first "real" game, but the Beavs started slow, hopefully they have the gas pedal mashed to start the game against Iowa State. Having Hollins not in the starting lineup would help as well.
- As much as I am complaining about Hollins starting, it felt like we got WAY more bench players involved, and more important minutes as well. Also, is Silva a revelation or a hiccup? I was suprised and impressed by his play!
Go Beavs! Beat the cyclones.
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Post by joecool on Nov 6, 2019 11:17:17 GMT -8
Still never an announcement why Cal St. Northridge's (sorry CSUN is stupid) best player never played.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 6, 2019 11:20:47 GMT -8
There was NO reason for the key "three" to be in there the last 3-4 minutes... 37, 36 for ET and TT. ZR played well vs CSUN, but SMM needs to get more than a scant 10 min, especially when Hollins shows he isn't progressing. This x100. Exactly what I was thinking down the stretch last night. I still think WT REALLY wants to get the bench guys their minutes but once the game unfolds, he just can't help it for whatever reason. We see this every year it seems.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 6, 2019 11:25:21 GMT -8
Still never an announcement why Cal St. Northridge's (sorry CSUN is stupid) best player never played. Academics... hopefully eligible by December. Also have a 7'1" Ukrainian Jr/transfer post that will be eligible/healthy(?) soon.
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Post by obf on Nov 6, 2019 11:28:44 GMT -8
First... I love the new set up of the game summaries on the OSU site... individual and game stats, plus easy link to box score readily available! Much better... congrats whomever reorganized it. No matter what WT states, there was plenty of time to get Vernon in the game. It's not like a 5-7 min spread over ET's minutes at the point, or going with both Vernon and Hunt (although Hunt only got 5 min?!) wasn't totally doable the last 4-5 min with a 20+ point lead (up 20 at the 4:47 mark). There was NO reason for the key "three" to be in there the last 3-4 minutes... 37, 36 for ET and TT. ZR played well vs CSUN, but SMM needs to get more than a scant 10 min, especially when Hollins shows he isn't progressing. It seems the plan is for ET to man the PG slot, with Lucas being the 6th man right now. It's game #1... I'm hoping to see some actual game time development of players that makes us truly 7-8 deep in Pac12 play. As far as inside... Dastrup and Silva totaled 15 min and were fine right next to the hoop vs a CSUN team. But, KK needs to be able to play 30+ as neither provides much of a defensive presence. I'd love to see Tucker get lots of minutes vs the weakest of teams we will face. He seems to have the quick twitch big body that just needs minutes of live action to gain confidence and let the game slow down. He may be a project, but he has twice the upside than Silva and Dastrup... IMHO. Unless it changes it boils down the same limited exposure for guys who'll be needed down the stretch. Out of one side of his mouth Wt states he thinks guys got run down last year and we need to play more guys earlier to take the load off later, and in game one even in a blow out it really doesn't happen. Two guys shouldn't take over 50% of the shots vs this competition. If the recruits really are who we are told then they should be able to hold their own vs this type of opponent... and, need to be able to show it... or not!? Baby steps, baaaaaaabbbbyyyyy steps. YES, WT absoluetly relied on his starters and "big three" way too much and should have linited thier minutes more. BUT He used his bench WAY MORE than he has in the past! Hopefully WT gains more confidence in the benchies and by the time non conference is winding down we have the big 3 averaging only 30-32 minutes a game and 7 others averageing 10-15. Edit: Did Warren Washington even get into a game in non-conference last year??
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Post by shelby on Nov 6, 2019 11:29:40 GMT -8
I really focused on Jared Lucas when he was in there. ! was particularly impressed with his footwork on defense and the shifts required fighting through screens. His passing and vision are exceptional. He did not take many shots for a guy that is such a prolific scorer. Also did not realize he was a coaches son - another huge positive, because 'even as a freshman' the smarts in critical situations are incredibly valuable.
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Post by obf on Nov 6, 2019 11:39:17 GMT -8
Did Warren Washington even get into a game in non-conference last year?? Super off-topic at this point, and yes, I know I am responding to myself, but I was curious so I went and looked... I can totally see why WW transferred now. His minutes steadily increased and he was doing well and being productive and then suddenly in the second half of the season he went back to being a non factor, deep bench, single number of minutes a game guy... WW Game LogI think ochobeavo has it. WT wants to play everyone and develop them, but he just can't help himself and rides who he percieves as the best players into the ground. Kind of like how I want to eat less sugar, but can't help myself when my coworker brings in a box of NutCake's donuts to share
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Post by obf on Nov 6, 2019 11:45:24 GMT -8
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 11:48:46 GMT -8
I really focused on Jared Lucas when he was in there. ! was particularly impressed with his footwork on defense and the shifts required fighting through screens. His passing and vision are exceptional. He did not take many shots for a guy that is such a prolific scorer. Also did not realize he was a coaches son - another huge positive, because 'even as a freshman' the smarts in critical situations are incredibly valuable. I like his tenacity on D, like Tres, he's got coach's kid motor. Not sure about his handle and he's not real long, so he might struggle creating a shot or getting shots against taller guards. But he's built solid and has a nice release so he should be able to set a good screen and then roll into a spot-up jumper.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 6, 2019 11:57:03 GMT -8
First... I love the new set up of the game summaries on the OSU site... individual and game stats, plus easy link to box score readily available! Much better... congrats whomever reorganized it. No matter what WT states, there was plenty of time to get Vernon in the game. It's not like a 5-7 min spread over ET's minutes at the point, or going with both Vernon and Hunt (although Hunt only got 5 min?!) wasn't totally doable the last 4-5 min with a 20+ point lead (up 20 at the 4:47 mark). There was NO reason for the key "three" to be in there the last 3-4 minutes... 37, 36 for ET and TT. ZR played well vs CSUN, but SMM needs to get more than a scant 10 min, especially when Hollins shows he isn't progressing. It seems the plan is for ET to man the PG slot, with Lucas being the 6th man right now. It's game #1... I'm hoping to see some actual game time development of players that makes us truly 7-8 deep in Pac12 play. As far as inside... Dastrup and Silva totaled 15 min and were fine right next to the hoop vs a CSUN team. But, KK needs to be able to play 30+ as neither provides much of a defensive presence. I'd love to see Tucker get lots of minutes vs the weakest of teams we will face. He seems to have the quick twitch big body that just needs minutes of live action to gain confidence and let the game slow down. He may be a project, but he has twice the upside than Silva and Dastrup... IMHO. Unless it changes it boils down the same limited exposure for guys who'll be needed down the stretch. Out of one side of his mouth Wt states he thinks guys got run down last year and we need to play more guys earlier to take the load off later, and in game one even in a blow out it really doesn't happen. Two guys shouldn't take over 50% of the shots vs this competition. If the recruits really are who we are told then they should be able to hold their own vs this type of opponent... and, need to be able to show it... or not!? Baby steps, baaaaaaabbbbyyyyy steps. YES, WT absoluetly relied on his starters and "big three" way too much and should have linited thier minutes more. BUT He used his bench WAY MORE than he has in the past! Hopefully WT gains more confidence in the benchies and by the time non conference is winding down we have the big 3 averaging only 30-32 minutes a game and 7 others averageing 10-15. Edit: Did Warren Washington even get into a game in non-conference last year?? A bit different situation in that Big G started and KK came off the bench in game 1 for 17 or the bench's 44 min. Last night I think there was 50 bench minutes with Lucas getting 19. So pretty similar. WW got 7 min behind Big G and KK in game 1 (ZR 12, KK 17, Campbell, Wilson, Vernon 2 each). But very similar in many regards... UC Riverside... only 12 point win... big "three" took 41 of the 59 shots. Add in Big G 50 of the 59 shots. Also had (4) starters over 30 minutes in game 1. Last year Vernon was getting good minutes as the season went on, but WW's became very sporadic to almost nothing. In any case, new season and OSU needs 7-8 confident bodies to succeed this season. The Pac12 is on a bit of a resurgence in talent and TT and ET are not going to carry this team. I like KK, but he was a 7.7/5.3 guy... he's not going to suddenly go 18/8. Besides he tends to get less touches as Pac12 play began, and until I see great perimeter D vs good teams he'll be constantly helping out and susceptible to foul trouble.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 6, 2019 12:04:45 GMT -8
Seemed to me: - Alfred Hollins is a D1 Athlete, but not a D1 Basketball player. He has sucked up enough starting minutes for this experiment to be over now. SMM or Lucas should be starting. The sooner those two are integrated fully the better our team will be. Seriously if he starts against Iowa state I will be disappointed. Come on WT, we are talking about a Junior here, not someone you have only had a few practices with. If you can't score a single point, are totally invisible, and be the only starter with a negative +/- against a undermanned CSUN, all of which is further evidence ontop of the 2 other years of eveidence, then you aren't a starter on a team who has eyes on making teh NCAA Tourney. Make the tough decsion, Wayne, and start someone else.
- The other "veteran" that I was ready to rail against before the game as not being a starter, I will begrudgingly give credit to. Way to go, Zach, I hope you continue to show energy and scrap. Especially against some tough competition in Iowa State. If Zach plays like he did last night for the whole year he would be getting votes for teh Pac-12 Most imporved player award (do they have that in MBB?)
- Calling it now, Lucas will be a star in the Pac-12 even his defense was better than I was expecting and I had high expectations. No reason to slow play this, he should be getting at least 20 minutes a game, and Ethan should be feeling the pressure on his starting spot. If we wanted to be rakish we would just give him Hollins starting spot, but that would be 4 guards and KK, which I think would be awesome, but might offends some of the more traditional fans.
- Kylor Kelly will be all Pac-12 first team and be moving up draft boards if he isn't careful. Especially if he can get his FT% to around 70%. The biggest problem for Kelly is Tres and company keep stealing his rebounds That and foul trouble of course. If he ends the season with 18/8/4 (pts/reb/blk) averages we are in the NCAA tourney and he is being talking about in the first round.
- I disagree with @blochese here. CSUN is a non-trivial opponent, and by mid way through the "second quarter" (It is SOOOO dumb that MBB still doesn't have quarters), the outcome was no longer in doubt. Basketball ebbs and flows, that is just the nature of the game, so the monarchs got the socre differential under 10 a couple of times, but it was never closer than 8 (maybe it was 6 once?) and even then only very briefly and OSU would push the lead back to low teens, and it WASN'T always Tres pushing it back. KK had some clutch moments, even ZACH had a couple clutch baskets! In strong distiction from the last few years I never felt nervous about this game especially in the second half, whereas even games against other 200ish rpi teams in non conference the last few years have been nail biters.or at least felt like nailbiters. Not last night though.
- Probably to be expected with it being the first "real" game, but the Beavs started slow, hopefully they have the gas pedal mashed to start the game against Iowa State. Having Hollins not in the starting lineup would help as well.
- As much as I am complaining about Hollins starting, it felt like we got WAY more bench players involved, and more important minutes as well. Also, is Silva a revelation or a hiccup? I was suprised and impressed by his play!
Go Beavs! Beat the cyclones. Monarchs = ODU............Matadors = CSUN I was also impressed with ZR's improvement. We will see how it translates to better teams. I wouldn't put much stock in Silva's performance. That was a very small team. He does have some skills, but he is very slow and will have to get quicker to have an impact. Same thing with Dastrup. I know he didn't play last year, but he practiced. He looks out of shape to me. They are going to need some more production out of a couple of the bigs. I don't really like having to play Tres at the 4. He is at a big disadvantage on the defensive end at that position. Would've liked to see Tucker a little more. Also, I didn't see Franklin. Is he hurt or just a project?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 6, 2019 12:10:43 GMT -8
Did Warren Washington even get into a game in non-conference last year?? Super off-topic at this point, and yes, I know I am responding to myself, but I was curious so I went and looked... I can totally see why WW transferred now. His minutes steadily increased and he was doing well and being productive and then suddenly in the second half of the season he went back to being a non factor, deep bench, single number of minutes a game guy... WW Game LogI think ochobeavo has it. WT wants to play everyone and develop them, but he just can't help himself and rides who he percieves as the best players into the ground. Kind of like how I want to eat less sugar, but can't help myself when my coworker brings in a box of NutCake's donuts to share besides Lucas did any of the vaunted newcomers really show anything in their limited time? Hunt, barely played but didn't make any plays i saw Dastrup, he's a big body and doesn't seem shy about having a presence but, super slow and that turnover on the fast break when he tried to no look distribute? ughhh SMM honestly didn't see enough but he did play and get a couple in the cylinder. But, another guard. Silva, let's be fair, he's a fouls to give player if he can develop that skill. Didn't show great hands and feet are glued to the floor. Tucker saw enough to say he is even more raw then WaWa was.
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