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Post by beaver94 on Nov 5, 2019 21:32:06 GMT -8
The 41-6 is the truly scary part to me. Now the USA subs are even more talented than college 2nd tier/subs. I’m not disagreeing with most of what you say but I’m assuming most of the USA subs were the best players on their respective college teams. I’d say they are probably as or more talented than most college 1st tier. More than 6 would have been nice but a huge gap should not be surprising. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 5, 2019 21:47:44 GMT -8
The 41-6 is the truly scary part to me. Now the USA subs are even more talented than college 2nd tier/subs. I’m not disagreeing with most of what you say but I’m assuming most of the USA subs were the best players on their respective college teams. I’d say they are probably as or more talented than most college 1st tier. More than 6 would have been nice but a huge gap should not be surprising. Not only the production, which I somewhat expected, but 42 minutes and that production is a bit troublesome. But, as mentioned unless Kat comes back full strength... plus TC... this is not a deep group in many ways. Playing 4 starters over 30+ min can't be the norm. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Nov 5, 2019 22:19:30 GMT -8
Another way to look at it: If their bench outscored ours 41-6, our starters outscored theirs 52-40. Meaningless, since I'm sure our starters played way more minutes, but still a fun thing for our starters to brag about.
As soon as Taya is ready, she starts and Aleah comes off the bench. When Kat is ready, she starts and Kennedy comes off the bench.
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Post by bennyskid on Nov 6, 2019 7:22:00 GMT -8
Their subs played roughly as many minutes as the starters. It shouldn't be surprising that they scored roughly half of their points.
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Post by jegerklog on Nov 6, 2019 8:24:52 GMT -8
Our starters looked pretty exhausted in the second half.
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 6, 2019 8:27:54 GMT -8
Their subs played roughly as many minutes as the starters. It shouldn't be surprising that they scored roughly half of their points. Their ‘bench’ is basically the 2nd string at an all-star game. Add to that some of TUSA’s bench are fighting to actually make the team. Starters vs. bench scoring in this game is meaningless other than to confirm our bench is not able to hang with TUSA. I fully expected the gap between TUSA and the best college teams to be more like Stanford’s first game against E Wash. Probably will be by the medal rounds. |
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Post by rmancarl on Nov 6, 2019 13:13:13 GMT -8
One stat that I'm really not worried about is the bench points. If this team is healthy, the bench is pretty strong. If there are lingering injuries, then of course, depth becomes an issue. Here's why this game didn't scare me:
1--The Beavs are not going to be facing any defenses nearly as tough as this one, and when the bench comes in to play other bench players, the defense they are facing is going to be even that much less dominant.
2--Kat has averaged 12+ points per game the last two seasons....Taya averaged 7 last year (in what I would consider a down shooting year)...Maddie was near 5 points per game. Janessa wasn't available much of last year, and Tris and Jazz will be better players this season.
3--The Beavs only scored 58 total in this game. They averaged 75 last year. I would expect similar results this year, and some of that will be bench scoring.
Now I will say this, last season before Kat was injured, the Beavs were bringing Kat, Aleah, and Jo in off the bench, often near, or at the same time. Those three brought a nice scoring touch, and often led to the Beavs catching up, or running away from, their opponent. I have no idea what the starting lineup would be if everyone was healthy this season. My guess would be Mik, Destiny, Kat, Taya, and Taylor but Kat may be limited for a while, and who knows about Taya. I'm not sure, other than Aleah, that leaves a big scoring punch from the bench. We'll have to see how much scoring production we get from Maddie, Kennedy, Jazz, and others. I do think the potential is there.
I'm not worried about starter minutes though. I remember the Ralph Miller days, and it was almost unusual if the starters didn't play 36-40 minutes. Normally, rather than wearing down, it was there opponents that wore out by the end of the game. All in all, I look at this team, and I see a better, deeper team than last season. Now let's see if they show it on the court.
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Post by lotrader on Nov 6, 2019 17:33:01 GMT -8
With our eventual depth, I believe minutes will be based somewhat on our opponents 5 on the floor. Where Rueck has a lineup advantage, he will play those 5 that give OSU an advantage. When we play a team like Stanford or UO, Rueck may also make substitutions based upon our opponent's substitutions. Good news, is we have depth, and that gets better when Taya and Kat return. Not to mention what Jelena may bring to the mix?
I do see Janessa getting more minutes especially when OSU is playing the likes of Stanford who have the Hull twins at 6'1" on the wing. Janessa will be a big help defensively on the perimeter against the taller guards/wings. I really thought Kat's defense on the perimeter was fantastic before she tore her ACL. Kat and Janessa will help our perimeter defense against tall, agile guards.
Just flat out excited about how good of a defensive team we can become this season.
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Post by newduke2 on Nov 8, 2019 9:36:15 GMT -8
Team USA's margin of victory grows each game. Hope this continues tomorrow afternoon!
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 8, 2019 10:03:14 GMT -8
Team USA's margin of victory grows each game. Hope this continues tomorrow afternoon! But, that Chennedy Carter can play!! |
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Post by willtalk on Nov 8, 2019 17:14:53 GMT -8
It has become obvious through the first 3 games that the second-tier USA players- two guards and wing are better than their first tier. They are the group in every game played that has created separation between USA and the college teams. Bird, DT, and Augustas should call it quits in respect to team USA. They are only on the team via reputation. Carter from TA&M made them look silly trying to defend her. Diggens did a little better but she is not known to be a good defender. Simone A. used to be a lockdown defender and could also score but she has dropped off considerably in both areas. Unfortunately, they might get picked because of reputation but the USA team should not be chosen based on a lifetime achievement criteria.
S. Fowles can still play but she is also not the player she was. In the WNBA she got pushed around and frustrated by McCowan, Brown, and Vadeeva. Her game is predicated on physically that when she faces tall players with size her advantage disappears. It's all about matchups. Jelena would have been a better matchup against her. Contrarily, Jones did a really good job against Wilson. Griner and Stewart are better players and when they join the team Fowles should be third best on the depth chart at center.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 9, 2019 12:44:03 GMT -8
Might there be benefit from a “changing of the guards” to start the game. Aleah has improved her game and handle. There’s also a leadership aspect developing on her part. Destiny’s “energy” would be of value as a sub and would allow time to appraise the opponent and the flow of the game. Not saying it’s crazy, but funny to think of a player that WNBA scouts consider to be a viable draft prospect at the end of her junior year this year coming off the bench. Destiny is a great kid and a good teammate, but not many talented players with the type of competitive drive she has would be real excited about being relegated to top reserve. A lot of Pac 12 coaches would happy to see it, though. |
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Post by ricke71 on Nov 9, 2019 17:22:58 GMT -8
Team USA's margin of victory grows each game. Hope this continues tomorrow afternoon! unfortunately not to be. Ucks hanging w USA. Tied after 3Q. They are clearly the tops in PAC-12 at this early point in the season. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Nov 9, 2019 17:30:27 GMT -8
Oregon up 10 in the 4Q.
USA missing Aja Wilson.
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