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Post by beaverstever on Oct 15, 2019 16:27:35 GMT -8
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 15, 2019 17:20:56 GMT -8
It is weird to see Oregon State unanimously projected ahead of Stanford and Utah. And a consensus pick ahead of UCLA? Bizarre.
Last year, Oregon State was projected 10th and finished six spots higher in 4th. Maybe, this year, Oregon State will be projected 7th and finish six spots higher in 1st?
Here's hoping!
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 15, 2019 20:30:42 GMT -8
It is weird to see Oregon State unanimously projected ahead of Stanford and Utah. And a consensus pick ahead of UCLA? Bizarre. Last year, Oregon State was projected 10th and finished six spots higher in 4th. Maybe, this year, Oregon State will be projected 7th and finish six spots higher in 1st? Here's hoping! Preseason picks are rarely accurate for a league. I saw OSU as high as 7th 2018-19 (ESPN I believe) and as low as 11th (Bracket Busters?). Write ups are funny... saw one today that stated OSU returns the most experienced team. Really? Maybe we do, but OSU has tons of newcomers and the overall experienced players are mainly two contributors. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 16, 2019 8:46:32 GMT -8
Well, buried in the article was the line that I subscribe to:
"Arizona State and Oregon State are both intriguing and could compete for a berth. But I have to see it."
Yeah, I have to see it too.......Given the projected finishes for OSU in this article, we could at least be looking at NIT and maybe bubble for NCAA. That would be sooooooo refreshing.
But I have to see it.
While I don't think we are bereft of talent in the Tinkle era, I have yet to see the player discipline or fundamentals on court, any on-court leadership, or the coaching acumen to make me a strong "buy" on these projections for the Beavers. What is weird is there seems to be correlation to the arrival of the coaches sons and the decline in those areas. Note that correlation does not imply causation, and sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Anyway, here's hoping we all see it. NIT or NCAA, and this will have been a "hit it out of the ball park" season for me.
Go Beavers!
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Post by seastape on Oct 16, 2019 9:46:13 GMT -8
Mark me down as an "I'll believe it when I see it" guy. The Pac 12 has been washing out of the tournament left and right for a while now and hasn't been able to even think about consistently hitting the final four.
As for OSU: this is yet another year in which Coach T says we have the depth to compete this year (unlike years past). I'm hoping, I always hope, but definitely have slipped out of the "cautiously optimistic" category into the "when it happens, great!" category.
The new guys will need to step up. |
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 16, 2019 10:12:39 GMT -8
I'll believe it when I see the Beavs play as a team - not 5 guys on the floor. It's a game where you can let one guy go crazy on a squad, break the other 4 off and handily win the game even if the "crazy" guy hits for 50. I'm not asking for a well oiled machine as much as one that just doesn't squeak so much!
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Post by bennysdentist on Oct 17, 2019 11:54:56 GMT -8
Believe it when I see it, but damn, let's stop with the NIT talk. WE NEED TO DANCE!!!
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Post by beaverinohio on Oct 22, 2019 8:52:25 GMT -8
I don't know if team -wise the Pac 12 is back, but the AP pre-season All-American team seems to indicate the league is lacking in star power. None on the team and only 3 Pac 12 players received any votes (all of them received just 1) -- Payton Pritchard, Isaiah Stewart, and McKinley Wright IV. All three are good players (well assuming Stewart will be as he was highly recruited and looked very good in the one H.S. game of his I saw), but pretty much a joke that they all got a vote but none for Tres.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 22, 2019 9:25:25 GMT -8
I don't know if team -wise the Pac 12 is back, but the AP pre-season All-American team seems to indicate the league is lacking in star power. None on the team and only 3 Pac 12 players received any votes (all of them received just 1) -- Payton Pritchard, Isaiah Stewart, and McKinley Wright IV. All three are good players (well assuming Stewart will be as he was highly recruited and looked very good in the one H.S. game of his I saw), but pretty much a joke that they all got a vote but none for Tres. Look... I know TT has been a stud for OSU. He puts up good numbers, great kid, great student, we're told an extremely hard worker. But, he's not a national AA type when you look at pure athletic talent, and what hoop snobs see as an AA basketball player. It's just a fact. I've been critical not of TT, but only regarding the posts regarding him as the best player in the league, NBA talent, etc. TT has done more with the athletic skills he has than MANY similar kids, but he's not the upper echelon player that most will see as elite. Many non-NBA types make the AA lists, but most come from well established successful programs. OSU is not that. TT is seen a a good player, one of the best in the Pac12, the best player on a middle of the pack team. Nothing wrong with that, but as far as the national level he's not getting slighted. If he was truly an AA type he wouldn't be on this year's team, he'd of been trying to make an NBA roster. Easy way to solve the issue... his play. If he leads OSU to the dance he'll get plenty of love. Media types love the best player on an underdog team getting to the postseason. Even though TT will need lost of help and numerous other players to step up their games, it'll be TT that gets the love. Also not "fair", but that's how it works in the media. |
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Post by beaverinohio on Oct 22, 2019 10:29:19 GMT -8
I'm not saying TT is an All American, and I understand why he didn't get a vote. But it is still a joke. Payton Pritchard got a vote and I know he is on an established team, but I don't think he's nearly the college player TT is and the numbers reflect that. The freshman Stewart I'm not going to argue about as he was one of the top H.S. players last year and everyone likes shiny new things.
I must have missed Colorado becoming a well-established successful program (though many in the media love them for a dark horse team), but Wright gets a vote. When comparing their numbers from last year looks like a joke to me -- 13.0 ppg for Wright versus 20.8 for TT, 4.9 rpg versus 8.1, 4.8 apg versus 3.8 and 1.1 spg to 1.7). In the two games Col and OSU played against each other last year, numbers are closer but TT still wins out -- 35 pts vs. 42, 8 rebs vs. 14, 8 assists vs. 4, 0 steals vs. 4 and 0 blocks vs. 1.
Another guy who got one vote was Lamar Stevens from another well-established successful program -- Penn St. Don't get me wrong, he is a very good player -- think he put up something like 25 and 10 in a game against my Illini last year -- but again statistics aren't as good at TT's. He had 19.9 ppg, 7.7 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.7 spg. In case anyone is keeping score, all those numbers are lower than TT's and Stevens shot 42.2%. And Peen State finished tied for 10th in B1G and four games under .500 overall.
Again, I'm not saying TT is first team All-American nor even likely a third teamer at the end of the year. I'm just pointing out that it is a joke he didn't get one vote in a pre-season poll given some of those who did.
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