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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 18, 2019 16:41:33 GMT -8
I have found that, the older I get, the less interest I have in any professional sport, including the WNBA. So I don't much care whether so and so's game will work at the next level, as I'm only interested in enjoying them at the college level. If somebody's a great college player but can't do much in the pros (think Doug Flutie, Tim Tebow, Ed O'Bannon, Christian Laettner, and on and on), so what? Oregon State doesn't play them in the pros, so it doesn't much matter to me.
Ref doesn't see it, ref doesn't call it, that's just the way of it. However, if a player continually does something because she can get away with it, it behooves the opposing coaching staff to remind the ref that she's prone to doing that, and ask that it be watched.
The one that drives me nuts is what Mallory McGuire did on every long range shot. After receiving the ball, and moving one leg to get into shooting position, she very clearly shuffled both feet before going up for the shot. It's kind of like some golfers pre-shot routine (like Sergio Garcia's numerous waggles when he first started on tour); it's how she shoots the ball. But it's traveling, she does it every single time, and it's never called.
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Post by willtalk on Sept 18, 2019 16:49:43 GMT -8
I got to see Aari McDonald play two games for Brookside Christian in a high school holiday tournament in northern California in December 2015. Was that the West Coast Jamboree? Are you from NorCal or did you just follow a team there? I believe Pivic's highs school team played there one year. |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Sept 18, 2019 17:34:46 GMT -8
I feel your pain. Oregon's Erin Boley does the same thing often when she catches and shoots. Coach Graves recently put out a brief Twitter video praising Boley for how she readies herself while the ball is in the air on the pass. However, almost all of the Tweets that responded to the video stated that Boley was traveling nearly every time she caught the ball and shot. I had to agree. |
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Post by nwhoopfan on Sept 18, 2019 18:25:01 GMT -8
I've long thought many 3 point shooters travel while setting themselves for their shot. It's obviously not a point of emphasis by refs.
At least most of them aren't taking 5 or 6 steps without dribbling to set up the 3 like James Harden was caught on film doing...w/ no traveling called by the refs.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Sept 18, 2019 18:26:58 GMT -8
I have found that, the older I get, the less interest I have in any professional sport, including the WNBA. I generally agree and have the same view. This year with many games being shown on CBSSN I kind of forced myself to watch a handful of WNBA games. At first I struggled to enjoy it, but down the stretch I got more into it and I've been tuning in for playoff games. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 18, 2019 18:54:29 GMT -8
Glad I'm not alone on the traveling thing, although I was very confident that I wasn't. One of the (many) reasons I enjoy women's college hoops more than the men's game is that they actually do call traveling, and they're not afraid to call it in critical situations against star players. We all fondly remember last year's Ducks game, when Aleah startled Ionescu into traveling right at the end of the game. Ref didn't even blink; called traveling right away.
The odds of an NBA ref calling that against James Harden in a similar situation are roughly equal to the odds that Trump carries Corvallis by a 2 to 1 margin next year.
Refs on the men's side of college hoops don't call it either. That jump step, or whatever they call it, is the textbook definition of traveling.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Sept 18, 2019 22:15:13 GMT -8
I have found that, the older I get, the less interest I have in any professional sport, including the WNBA. I generally agree and have the same view. This year with many games being shown on CBSSN I kind of forced myself to watch a handful of WNBA games. At first I struggled to enjoy it, but down the stretch I got more into it and I've been tuning in for playoff games. Count me in on the "very little interest in professional sports" category as well. It simplifies life and creates space for other interests. As bvrbooster observes, seems like my attitude has become more acute with age. I also end up rooting for fewer very athletically talented people but of publicized questionable character as a result (e.g. Kobe, Roethlesberger, etc) :-). Other than major events (Super Bowl, World Cup, etc) the family watches, unless the Beavers are playing, I'm not watching. Go Beavers! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 7:43:18 GMT -8
Glad I'm not alone on the traveling thing, although I was very confident that I wasn't. One of the (many) reasons I enjoy women's college hoops more than the men's game is that they actually do call traveling, and they're not afraid to call it in critical situations against star players. We all fondly remember last year's Ducks game, when Aleah startled Ionescu into traveling right at the end of the game. Ref didn't even blink; called traveling right away. The odds of an NBA ref calling that against James Harden in a similar situation are roughly equal to the odds that Trump carries Corvallis by a 2 to 1 margin next year. Refs on the men's side of college hoops don't call it either. That jump step, or whatever they call it, is the textbook definition of traveling. If you catch the ball with both feet on the ground and then hop with both feet to position yourself better for your shot, then that's legal. The reason: When you catch the ball with both feet on the ground, neither foot has been established as your pivot foot. When you lift one foot off the ground and step, you have not taken a "step" because your other foot is your pivot foot and it hasn't moved. So then you pick up your pivot foot and move it with the first foot, and it hits the ground. You have now taken the one step you are allowed when in the process of taking a shot. You then go up with both feet to shoot. Perfectly legal, since the foot action is the same as if you were going in for a layup. At least, that's my interpretation. |
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Post by 411500 on Sept 19, 2019 8:07:21 GMT -8
delete---edited....
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Sept 19, 2019 10:59:54 GMT -8
If you catch the ball with both feet on the ground and then hop with both feet to position yourself better for your shot, then that's legal. The reason: When you catch the ball with both feet on the ground, neither foot has been established as your pivot foot. When you lift one foot off the ground and step, you have not taken a "step" because your other foot is your pivot foot and it hasn't moved. So then you pick up your pivot foot and move it with the first foot, and it hits the ground. You have now taken the one step you are allowed when in the process of taking a shot. You then go up with both feet to shoot. Perfectly legal, since the foot action is the same as if you were going in for a layup. At least, that's my interpretation. What percentage of the shots that Oregon's Erin Boley takes in the brief video do any of you think should be called traveling? |
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 19, 2019 12:42:31 GMT -8
Some of those aren't even close . . .
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2019 13:51:20 GMT -8
If you catch the ball with both feet on the ground and then hop with both feet to position yourself better for your shot, then that's legal. The reason: When you catch the ball with both feet on the ground, neither foot has been established as your pivot foot. When you lift one foot off the ground and step, you have not taken a "step" because your other foot is your pivot foot and it hasn't moved. So then you pick up your pivot foot and move it with the first foot, and it hits the ground. You have now taken the one step you are allowed when in the process of taking a shot. You then go up with both feet to shoot. Perfectly legal, since the foot action is the same as if you were going in for a layup. At least, that's my interpretation. What percentage of the shots that Oregon's Erin Boley takes in the brief video do any of you think should be called traveling? Our players do the same thing. And by my reasoning above, that hop constitutes the same footwork as allowed for a layup. You can watch Kat Tudor do the same little hop here: Kat hopping |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Sept 19, 2019 15:43:39 GMT -8
The compliment in the Tweet from Graves above states that Boley's feet are in the air when the ball was being passed. I think that is the desired jump/catch for the shooter as the ball is being passed outside on the perimeter as the the shooter is squaring to catch and release. However, I see Boley on a number of her shots simply catching the ball and then making her hop.
My daughter had a talented D1 player on her high school team who got called for traveling by the refs for the hop on multiple occasions during her senior year. The traveling call for the hop began to play on her mind whenever she got a pass in three-point shooting position.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2019 3:28:54 GMT -8
What percentage of the shots that Oregon's Erin Boley takes in the brief video do any of you think should be called traveling? Our players do the same thing. And by my reasoning above, that hop constitutes the same footwork as allowed for a layup. You can watch Kat Tudor do the same little hop here: Kat hoppingI may be wrong in that opinion. But the NBA rules, I'm sure, are not enforced strictly either. For instance, "A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot." I'm sure this is never enforced. Everyone lands with one foot first because there is no such thing as "perfectly simultaneous", and the refs I'm sure allow either foot to be your pivot foot. This rule seems to be the one relevant here: " If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor."Just watch the bigs under the basket regularly lift their pivot foot and take a step with that foot to hit their shot. It is allowed every time. Here are the rules on traveling: Section XIII—Traveling
A player who receives the ball while standing still may pivot, using either foot as the pivot foot.
A player who receives the ball while he is progressing or upon completion of a dribble, may take two steps in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball. A player who receives the ball while he is progressing must release the ball to start his dribble before his second step.
The first step occurs when a foot, or both feet, touch the floor after gaining control of the ball.
The second step occurs after the first step when the other foot touches the floor, or both feet touch the floor simultaneously.
A player who comes to a stop on step one when both feet are on the floor or touch the floor simultaneously may pivot using either foot as his pivot. If he jumps with both feet he must release the ball before either foot touches the floor.
A player who lands with one foot first may only pivot using that foot.
A progressing player who jumps off one foot on the first step may land with both feet simultaneously for the second step. In this situation, the player may not pivot with either foot and if one or both feet leave the floor the ball must be released before either returns to the floor.
In starting a dribble after (1) receiving the ball while standing still, or (2) coming to a legal stop, the ball must be out of the player’s hand before the pivot foot is raised off the floor.
If a player, with the ball in his possession, raises his pivot foot off the floor, he must pass or shoot before his pivot foot returns to the floor. If he drops the ball while in the air, he may not be the first to touch the ball.
A player who falls to the floor while holding the ball, or while coming to a stop, may not gain an advantage by sliding.
A player who attempts a field goal may not be the first to touch the ball if it fails to touch the backboard, basket ring or another player.
A player may not be the first to touch his own pass unless the ball touches his back- board, basket ring or another player.
Upon ending his dribble or gaining control of the ball, a player may not touch the floor consecutively with the same foot (hop).
PENALTY: Loss of ball. The ball is awarded to the opposing team on the sideline, near- est spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.official.nba.com/rule-no-10-violations-and-penalties/ |
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