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Post by beavershoopsfan on Sept 17, 2019 7:46:57 GMT -8
Former Oregon State University women's basketball players currently fill two of the 144 WNBA roster spots with Sydney Wiese and Marie Gulich. The 2020 WNBA Draft Lottery article accessible below list hints at two more possible WNBA players coming out of Corvallis next April. Slocum is draft eligible in 2020, but let's all hope that a magical '19-'20 season for the Beavs may prompt her to remain at OSU for the '20-'21 season as well. The top four 2020 WNBA Draft positions for teams will be determined via a lottery tonight. www.wnba.com/news/top-prospects-for-draft-lottery-2020/ |
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Post by mbabeav on Sept 17, 2019 9:47:10 GMT -8
Not to give them lsdtr credit or anything, but this has 1/3 of the top 12 coming out of the state of Oregon. Dam good time to be a women's basketball fan in the state of Oregon
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Post by 411500 on Sept 17, 2019 9:55:14 GMT -8
It will be interesting to see whether Destiny opts for the WNBA after this season....
Personally, I've never understood why players drafted outside the Top 5, or so, are in a hurry to sign up for the League...Especially when you have another year of college ball available to you - which is the situation with Destiny...
I know athletes are competitive, and they want to play at the highest level - but, realistically, the financial returns are pretty dismal, the travel is tough, and floor time usually is minimal...
However, as far as OSU is concerned, Destiny's decision could have a major impact on the program if it becomes a factor in HVL's recruitment....
Basically, it could make a big difference to HVL if she understands that she is coming into replace Slocum (THE recruit replacing THE player) rather than if she thinks she will be coming in as a likely non-starter watching Slocum, Goodman, Goforth and Simmons during her first season....
Of course, it's possible that Slocum herself does not know what she is going to do when next April rolls around....
But her decision to go pro could make a big difference in the way HVL sees her immediate role in the program...To big time players this can be a make or break deal..
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Sept 17, 2019 10:38:43 GMT -8
Not to give them lsdtr credit or anything, but this has 1/3 of the top 12 coming out of the state of Oregon. Dam good time to be a women's basketball fan in the state of Oregon I’m interested to see what type of a WNBA player Hebard makes. At 6-3/6-4, she has minimal game outside of the paint, whereas Marie was knocking down FT jumpers and mid-range turnarounds like it was nothing as a senior. |
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Post by newduke2 on Sept 17, 2019 11:12:46 GMT -8
I can't recall Hebard even taking a jump shot outside the key...and not often inside the key unless she was only a few feet from the hoop. Marie's game is so much more diversified, yet Hebard is projected to go anywhere from 8th to 10th in the 2020 WNBA draft, higher than Marie went (12th in 2018 draft). smh
If one compares Marie's senior stats to Ruthie's junior stats, the only thing Ruthie did better was shoot a slightly higher field goal percentage and turn the ball over less often. Hebard needs a great senior year to do better than Marie did as a senior.
Gulich (senior) 17.5 PPG, 9.1 RPG, .652 FG%, .736 FT%, 2.76 BLOCKS PG, 1.7 APG, 2.5 T/O PG
Hebard (junior) 16.5 PPG, 9.1 RPG, .670 FG%, .678 FT%, 0.86 BLOCKS PG, 1.0 APG, 1.3 T/O PG
Finally, the article says Hebard "and can block shots". Really? Hebard totaled only 31 blocks in 37 games as a junior.
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Post by rmancarl on Sept 17, 2019 11:30:05 GMT -8
beavershoop fan, your post title mentions player development. I think it would be interesting to do an analysis of how highly a player was thought of coming out of high school, and how highly they were thought of after college, heading into the NBA draft....and for that matter, how well they played in the NBA.
I don't have time for it right now, but it would be interesting to see how well Oregon State has developed it's players in comparison to other schools. Obviously, SR has turned Oregon State into one of the top programs in the country, and he largely got the program there without a lot of highly ranked recruits.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Sept 17, 2019 11:45:47 GMT -8
That article compared Lauren Cox to Stewie and EDD. I think that is completely missing the boat. She just isn't very perimeter oriented, and thus far hasn't been nearly the scorer either of those two are. I just don't think she's as versatile either. I think the other two can play the 3, I doubt Cox could.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Sept 17, 2019 12:04:04 GMT -8
That article compared Lauren Cox to Stewie and EDD. I think that is completely missing the boat. She just isn't very perimeter oriented, and thus far hasn't been nearly the scorer either of those two are. I just don't think she's as versatile either. I think the other two can play the 3, I doubt Cox could. There were plenty of times you would hear the announcer during a Baylor game say “and this is when Cox slides to the 3,” and that was when NaLyssa Smith (I think we were in her top-15 or something back in the day) entered with Cox and Kalani Brown. During the Baylor game, a lot of the time she guarded and was guarded by Boley. It was a disaster for Oregon. Cox isn’t the athlete Stewie is, and she isn’t the shooter EDD is. |
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Post by bennyskid on Sept 17, 2019 12:35:45 GMT -8
I just can't see the Hebard hype. If she wasn't playing with Sabrina, she wouldn't be on anyone's draft list. My bet is that she goes late 2nd or 3rd round and has one year in the league.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Sept 17, 2019 12:45:19 GMT -8
Cox isn’t the athlete Stewie is, and she isn’t the shooter EDD is. I couldn't find complete college stats for EDD. Cox has made 36 3's thru 3 years. Stewie hit 110 while in college. EDD made 52 just her Sr. year alone (at a 45% clip as well, way better than the other 2 ever managed). Stewie and EDD have both won a WNBA MVP award (EDD almost certainly is about to add another). I don't doubt Cox will be impactful at the next level but it just seems like a poor comparison in my eyes. |
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Post by willtalk on Sept 17, 2019 13:44:30 GMT -8
Reputation will get you drafted higher. WNBA teams do not have scouting staffs. The coaches generally go by word of mouth and AA teams etc. If you look at most of the coaches in the WNBA they would have a hard time getting a job in college at a top program. And the GM's are worse. Cooper started coaching in the WNBA and he was horrible at USC.
I mean Anigwe was drafted about where Hebert is projected to go and she basically did nothing this year except getting Griner thrown out for two games. The only thing that kept her on the roster so far was her draft position.
Ending up on the right team is as important as a player's actual skill. KLS is an example. She was taken #4 much higher than her teammate Collier, who ended up as Rookie of the year. Collier was the better player but Katie Lou Samuelson got so little floor time with Chicago that many are labeling her a bust. Her ability aside- she was picked by the wrong team. She just was not a good fit for them.
The reason they moved Cox to the 3 when Smith came in was that Smith could not shoot from the perimeter and that is essential for a wing. I think the test for both of them will how they play with Brown no longer in the paint. It will change the entire dynamic. I think Smith is the one who will be affected the most because she was primarily a slasher and garbage ball player. Once the defense is not focused on stopping Brown in the post, those opportunities disappear. Cox is not really a 5 so Kim will have to make a decision. If she wants to play both Smith and Cox together Cox will have to play center or the wing and that will negate what she does well.
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Post by orange123 on Sept 17, 2019 15:32:50 GMT -8
Responding to 411500. Imagine if Tudor gets another year. Do you think that would play in Slocum’s decision to stay or go?
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Post by 411500 on Sept 17, 2019 15:59:36 GMT -8
Regarding Tudor's extra year. I would really like to know when she will learn about it....
I can see the possibility of her redshirting this year if she is not 100% by mid-December...Especially if she is a student who wants to begin working on a Master's Degree during her extra year....
Just a thought - I haver no idea if she is actually considering it....
But I'd guess that Rueck and staff certainly have thought about it....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Sept 17, 2019 16:50:07 GMT -8
Regarding Tudor's extra year. I would really like to know when she will learn about it.... I can see the possibility of her redshirting this year if she is not 100% by mid-December...Especially if she is a student who wants to begin working on a Master's Degree during her extra year.... Just a thought - I haver no idea if she is actually considering it.... But I'd guess that Rueck and staff certainly have thought about it.... GO BEAVS !! The timing of an official response from the NCAA with regard to OSU's medical hardship petition for Tudor is dependent upon a number of factors, including when the petition was/will be submitted on her behalf. The news that I have heard is that OSU is committed to making the request on Tudor's behalf. I have not heard as to whether the finalized request has been submitted as yet. Tudor's case may also include medical details related to her surgery during the summer of 2018 on her hand that limited her ability to train and practice with her team prior to the '18-'19 season. Tudor was able to play in the first game of last season, but I know that her preseason conditioning and practicing was limited by her hand injury. I believe that one step that needs to happen first (perhaps it has already happened) is to run the request by each of the other 11 members of the PAC-12 Conference via their respective Faculty Athletic Representatives (FAR). I would think that the PAC-12 FARs would support Oregon State's petition for Tudor and move the ultimate decision on the NCAA. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Sept 17, 2019 16:54:58 GMT -8
Slocum doesn't have to make that decision until after this season is over. At that point, I would imagine she'll reflect on this year's team and personal accomplishments, what next year's team might look like with or without her, and where she might stand in the draft. If other point guards have monster years, pushing her down to, say, 4th at her position to be chosen, that might certainly have a big impact. Another factor would be where she stands in terms of getting her degree. If she's all set to graduate in June, that's not an issue. If she's still a few credits shy (and I have absolutely no idea), that might motivate her to stick around. Also, where does she visualize herself individually in 2021 if she stays? It's a given that, barring early injury, Ionescu is going to be first team All American this year no matter what Slocum does. Can she herself accomplishing that in 2021?
Too many unknowns to speculate sensibly either way right now, so I'll just proceed with the assumptions that make me happy - VanLith and Daniels are going to commit, we're going to win the WNIT and be undefeated entering conference play, we're going to beat the Ducks at Gill (again!), we're going to host in the NCAA tournament and advance to the Elite Eight, we're going to once again finish the year ranked in the top ten, and Slocum's coming back.
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