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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2016 15:30:46 GMT -8
I had pretty much decided Cheikh had reached his full potential, and he would be limited to a few minutes off the bench. But as the season went on, he showed some flashes of having made some strides both in terms of being a defensive enforcer, and being able to score more than just a few put-backs. I'm not saying he's on his way to all-conference, but he developed to the point where there were times when I wanted him in the game more than any of our other bigs, and fairly close to where Gomis was at his peak last year .
Does he have another leap forward in him going into his senior year? The last few games made me optimistic that he could go from a 1/1 guy in 5 mins that he had this year to be a be a 6/5/1 guy in 15-20 mins/game next year (Gomis was a 4pt/4reb/1.5 block guy on average last year in 21 minutes). If so, that would really help. If Big G and Eubanks make progress towards their upside, he'll be hard-pressed to get additional, but hopefully he'll at least force them to earn it next year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 22, 2016 15:36:03 GMT -8
I had pretty much decided Cheikh had reached his full potential, and he would be limited to a few minutes off the bench. But as the season went on, he showed some flashes of having made some strides both in terms of being a defensive enforcer, and being able to score more than just a few put-backs. I'm not saying he's on his way to all-conference, but he developed to the point where there were times when I wanted him in the game more than any of our other bigs, and fairly close to where Gomis was at his peak last year. Does he have another leap forward in him going into his senior year? The last few games made me optimistic that he could go from a 1/1 guy in 5 mins that he had this year to be a be a 7/4 guy in 15-20 mins/game nest year. If so, that would really help. If Big G and Eubanks make progress towards their upside, he'll be hard-pressed to get additional, but hopefully he'll at least force them to earn it next year. Big G, Drew, two incoming bigs, + maybe the Utah JC or another... he's the 12-13th guy. I'm guessing he will get run in the "scrum time" of blow outs. He has to make too big of jump on both ends of the court. As of now he can't even set a screen consistently without fouling out! LOL I do love his demeanor and hope he sticks it out. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2016 15:44:09 GMT -8
I had pretty much decided Cheikh had reached his full potential, and he would be limited to a few minutes off the bench. But as the season went on, he showed some flashes of having made some strides both in terms of being a defensive enforcer, and being able to score more than just a few put-backs. I'm not saying he's on his way to all-conference, but he developed to the point where there were times when I wanted him in the game more than any of our other bigs, and fairly close to where Gomis was at his peak last year. Does he have another leap forward in him going into his senior year? The last few games made me optimistic that he could go from a 1/1 guy in 5 mins that he had this year to be a be a 7/4 guy in 15-20 mins/game nest year. If so, that would really help. If Big G and Eubanks make progress towards their upside, he'll be hard-pressed to get additional, but hopefully he'll at least force them to earn it next year. Big G, Drew, two incoming bigs, + maybe the Utah JC or another... he's the 12-13th guy. I'm guessing he will get run in the "scrum time" of blow outs. He has to make too big of jump on both ends of the court. As of now he can't even set a screen consistently without fouling out! LOL I do love his demeanor and hope he sticks it out. Kone was brought in as a 4, and Dew as a 3. Dew at 6'9", 215 won't play 5 unless we're going really small. The Utah JC kid also looked like a 3-4 to me. I'm not seeing any of those coming in look like they can anchor our zone (neither can Big G currently either), so to me we either need to get Eubanks and N'diaya upgrading, or we're going a lot smaller and more man-to-man next year. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 22, 2016 15:49:28 GMT -8
Big G, Drew, two incoming bigs, + maybe the Utah JC or another... he's the 12-13th guy. I'm guessing he will get run in the "scrum time" of blow outs. He has to make too big of jump on both ends of the court. As of now he can't even set a screen consistently without fouling out! LOL I do love his demeanor and hope he sticks it out. Kone was brought in as a 4, and Dew as a 3. Dew at 6'9", 215 won't play 5 unless we're going really small. The Utah JC kid also looked like a 3-4 to me. I'm not seeing any of those coming in look like they can anchor our zone (neither can Big G currently either), so to me we either need to get Eubanks and N'diaya upgrading, or we're going a lot smaller and more man-to-man next year. WT does not really play the "# system"... He wants 2-3 mobile bigs in the game... think VCU. His bigs need to stay on the ground and draw more charges and rebound, than block shots and create offensive rebound opportunities. Kone, Dew, Tres will be on the floor a lot together... rebound, move your feet to play multiple D's and your playing. Especially if you have a back to the basket game to open the floor for Tres, Stevie, Bruce, JM. Just do not see CD playing much. |
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Post by gzrbvr on Mar 22, 2016 19:08:36 GMT -8
Kone was brought in as a 4, and Dew as a 3. Dew at 6'9", 215 won't play 5 unless we're going really small. The Utah JC kid also looked like a 3-4 to me. I'm not seeing any of those coming in look like they can anchor our zone (neither can Big G currently either), so to me we either need to get Eubanks and N'diaya upgrading, or we're going a lot smaller and more man-to-man next year. WT does not really play the "# system"... He wants 2-3 mobile bigs in the game... think VCU. His bigs need to stay on the ground and draw more charges and rebound, than block shots and create offensive rebound opportunities. Kone, Dew, Tres will be on the floor a lot together... rebound, move your feet to play multiple D's and your playing. Especially if you have a back to the basket game to open the floor for Tres, Stevie, Bruce, JM. Just do not see CD playing much. You very well may be right that CD doesn't play much. I saw a guy that has a lot of upside--earlier in the year I used the word intriguing to describe him. He has a lot of plusses--long, tall, some athleticism. He has some negatives--thin as a rail for one, but the biggest negative I see is plain inexperience. Plus, I think he is one of those guys who is a late bloomer. (I have no idea what his growth pattern was or his playing time was before he arrived on campus.
You don't find guys with his physicals very often--7 feet tall and can actually move his feet and body. The reason I am intrigued is I think if he played enough ball--any kind of ball--he could improve enough to help us and help himself. He needs some coaching for sure. But what he needs more than anything else is to play hard, play rough, and most of all play a LOT--I am talking many hours a day here. Most of us know guys who became successful players--they didn't get it out of a book, they didn't get it through walk-throughs, they got it by flat playing practically every waking moment since they were little guys. You had to lock the gym to get them to get out and get a little fresh air. They snuck in the gyms in the summer. The played late at night. They played on the corner or on the barn door. But, they played and played. CD could make himself some money if he could just make one more jump, maybe not NBA money but probably some international money. When I see his body language, I see a guy who appears to care. He could really help if he could move up a little in skills and understanding of what is going on. He intrigues me for sure.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2016 19:25:32 GMT -8
Kone was brought in as a 4, and Dew as a 3. Dew at 6'9", 215 won't play 5 unless we're going really small. The Utah JC kid also looked like a 3-4 to me. I'm not seeing any of those coming in look like they can anchor our zone (neither can Big G currently either), so to me we either need to get Eubanks and N'diaya upgrading, or we're going a lot smaller and more man-to-man next year. WT does not really play the "# system"... He wants 2-3 mobile bigs in the game... think VCU. His bigs need to stay on the ground and draw more charges and rebound, than block shots and create offensive rebound opportunities. Kone, Dew, Tres will be on the floor a lot together... rebound, move your feet to play multiple D's and your playing. Especially if you have a back to the basket game to open the floor for Tres, Stevie, Bruce, JM. Just do not see CD playing much. Do you mean by VCU, the style of defense VCU did, or how we played VCU? While I agree this is probably how WT would like to play D, we just weren't good enough against dribble penetration perimeter defense to not have rim protection in the game - and we didn't really see lineups that often without one of our two shot blocking bigs in the game. However, this year that often meant Olaf and Reid in the game, a defensive disaster. I hope you are right though, because VCU's lineup defended us very well while undersized (OU pretty well mostly as well) - but I think our perimeter defense (against penetration) has to really improve for us to get away with that kind of lineup next year getting significant minutes. Also, VCU wasn't really undersized in terms of denying post-up position - the same reason why Draymond Green can be so successful defending much bigger players - he doesn't let them get to spots (and certainly the case for Alie-Cox). Only Kone seems even remotely in that mold though of the newcomers. |
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Post by 93beav on Mar 22, 2016 19:29:53 GMT -8
Isn't Kone out for the year after surgery?
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 22, 2016 19:56:31 GMT -8
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Post by 93beav on Mar 22, 2016 20:46:17 GMT -8
Uhh...sure, okay. 6 months, 9 months...I guess either is okay. As long as he can get into game shape quick enough. I'll still hold out that sliver of hope for the 7'1" center with skills who hasn't committed for some reason (or, just as a bonus, that recent Cal 4* guard de-commit to come our way). |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 22, 2016 22:02:16 GMT -8
N'Diaye was by far our best shot blocker and by far the one who altered the most shots. He made a difference in a few games this season. For example, in our Utah loss in SLC, if you watch the 2nd half, we crapped out the minute they took him out. They stuck it to us constantly inside after that down the stretch. He is absolutely solid for 8-12 minutes a game as it stands right now. I like that the opposition has to account for where he is when they have the ball. He will be in the rotation next year off the bench.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 22, 2016 22:39:33 GMT -8
CD wasn't in the rotation this year. We get better bigs coming in. Unless he improves a ton I hope he's not in the rotation, that would be a step backwards!
CD is raw and he's been here 3+years... of hoop prep/coaching, nutrition, and games... has not made a significant leap. Probably a sign he will not at this stage.
I will guarantee that this staff is not seeing him as a major contributor. Anything he does bring is "gravy". He had some good spells, but mostly not. I think he's a great kid, but for where this team is headed hell be mostly left at the station. And if not, we're hurting.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 22, 2016 22:48:04 GMT -8
"Do you mean by VCU, the style of defense VCU did, or how we played VCU?"
Meaning 6'7" - 6'9" athletic bigs that can guard multiple positions, that use their bodies in a more powerful way, can move their feet, have bball IQ. Kone and Dew are upgrades over Jarmal, Olaf, and Gomis. Tinkle improved a ton, need his foot 100%. The Montana transfer is a solid 6'6" scrapper that can help. Drew can go nowhere but up with more experience. Need another big (Rawlings + 1 would be awesome!), JC with some dirt under the nails to help out.
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