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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 19, 2019 14:22:09 GMT -8
The West Coast teams were dollar machines back in the day - that apocryphal story about the reporter asking a Fusky player in the late 50's if he was excited about getting drafted into the NFL, and having him say something to the effect of "it's exciting, but I won't like the pay cut", or the story from (I believe) the 1905 Boregonian talking about the accusations of the then Oregon State (OAC?) football team being full of ringers and "Fall only" "students". Let's not get off topic. The FBI doesnt care about 1905 but they should be all over the payola scandal going on with heinous cheaters at Oregon and Arizona. The money trail would reveal some crime if they took a casual look. The FBI actually cannot look at pay-for-play wholly within the State of Oregon, because it is not technically illegal in the State of Oregon. It is only illegal, if the pay for play is carried out by interstate wire (broadly-defined). Pay-for-play is illegal, however, in the State of Arizona. As an aside, federalism is great! |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 19, 2019 21:59:21 GMT -8
They didn't punish UNC for rampant academic fraud, which imo, is many fold worse than pay to play. I disagree. A bunch of unaccounted-for money flying around is not in anyone's best interest. Pay-for-play is a huge deal in many contexts, including amateurism and equity. Among the most specific is that pay-for-play is effectively stealing money from all of us, the American taxpayers. We need that money accounted for, so that it can go to build bridges and pay teachers, etc. Who does academic fraud hurt outside of the a college athletic context? A sound argument. |
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Post by shelby on Aug 19, 2019 22:29:21 GMT -8
Yes, The sucks are presumed guilty on both counts. Pay for play and Academic fraud - cause when an athlete goes to 'school' there, they don't get anything of value in return. It's just a meat market for Atta boy Phil !
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Aug 20, 2019 15:11:39 GMT -8
I don't know if I'd call it "the greatest chunk of college ball", but arguably the greatest chunk of the most successful teams. I would hope the NCAA greatly punishes teams that have been party to paid athletes unless everyone is doing it. They didn't punish UNC for rampant academic fraud, which imo, is many fold worse than pay to play. The NCAA will never go the death penalty route to a major team again. It needs to either consistently hit schools with USC type punishments or come up with punishments that rewards the other teams... TV or Bowl money only to the league to be shared by teams not on probation - teams could still play but not profit from it, put players on teams on probation not eligible for Heisman or other NCAA awards (allow uninvolved players on teams hit with probation to transfer), there's a bunch of stuff they could do that wouldn't screw up schedules or the other teams. At some point they have to enforce their rules OR rewrite the rule book so ALL schools and players see an equal amount of $$ from sponsor corporate interests. |
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Post by ag87 on Aug 20, 2019 15:28:02 GMT -8
They didn't punish UNC for rampant academic fraud, which imo, is many fold worse than pay to play. The NCAA will never go the death penalty route to a major team again. It needs to either consistently hit schools with USC type punishments or come up with punishments that rewards the other teams... TV or Bowl money only to the league to be shared by teams not on probation - teams could still play but not profit from it, put players on teams on probation not eligible for Heisman or other NCAA awards (allow uninvolved players on teams hit with probation to transfer), there's a bunch of stuff they could do that wouldn't screw up schedules or the other teams. At some point they have to enforce their rules OR rewrite the rule book so ALL schools and players see an equal amount of $$ from sponsor corporate interests. That makes some sense. No way will the NCAA go down that road. |
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Post by ee1990 on Aug 20, 2019 15:32:04 GMT -8
They didn't punish UNC for rampant academic fraud, which imo, is many fold worse than pay to play. The NCAA will never go the death penalty route to a major team again. It needs to either consistently hit schools with USC type punishments or come up with punishments that rewards the other teams... TV or Bowl money only to the league to be shared by teams not on probation - teams could still play but not profit from it, put players on teams on probation not eligible for Heisman or other NCAA awards (allow uninvolved players on teams hit with probation to transfer), there's a bunch of stuff they could do that wouldn't screw up schedules or the other teams. At some point they have to enforce their rules OR rewrite the rule book so ALL schools and players see an equal amount of $$ from sponsor corporate interests. I agree that the punishment needs to fit the crime, or more exactly, that the sentence be served by the actual guilty party, aka not future student athletes. |
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Post by pitbeavs on Aug 21, 2019 10:10:01 GMT -8
It looks like Nike, Adidas, and Under Armour are all in the pay-to-play business, using cash to steer kids into "their" schools. We've known this for a while now but the evidence keeps mounting. Questions: when are more criminal charges going to be filed against execs for those companies? Shouldn't companies lose their corporate shield of limited liability when they constantly engage in fraud and corruption? When are the college programs that are engaging in this process going to face real penalties--such as the death penalty? Or should we just acknowledge that the notion of "amateur" sports at the college level is a fraud and turn a blind eye to it, which has been happening for so long? It looks like the greatest chunk of college basketball is corrupt. I can honestly say that I now almost don't care how many wins Tinkle gets at Oregon State; how are we supposed to compete when our enemies have the river of cash and standing to get the highlight athletes? At this point, I will root for Tinkle to do his best to do what he can but not be at all surprised when he can't recruit athletes like Bol Bol and Ayton because our alma mater does not have the resources to be as corrupt as the other schools. Tinkle seems to be concerned that his athletes play hard and, more importantly, that they make the grade in the classroom. In my book, that guy stands far above the rest who are swimming in the sewers. I would just prefer that OSU stay out of (the sh)it and run a clean program. If we aren't...then who really cares about rooting for whatever program that has learned how to win the most with corruption? "when are more criminal charges going to be filed against execs for those companies?" When the feds have them by the 'nads. When the feds get you, you're not un-got. At that point the question isn't if you'll go to prison, but for how long a stay it will be. |
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Post by green85 on Sept 17, 2019 16:50:58 GMT -8
They didn't punish UNC for rampant academic fraud, which imo, is many fold worse than pay to play. The NCAA will never go the death penalty route to a major team again. It needs to either consistently hit schools with USC type punishments or come up with punishments that rewards the other teams... TV or Bowl money only to the league to be shared by teams not on probation - teams could still play but not profit from it, put players on teams on probation not eligible for Heisman or other NCAA awards (allow uninvolved players on teams hit with probation to transfer), there's a bunch of stuff they could do that wouldn't screw up schedules or the other teams. At some point they have to enforce their rules OR rewrite the rule book so ALL schools and players see an equal amount of $$ from sponsor corporate interests. A couple of technical notes ... The Heisman is NOT an NCAA award. TV and Bowl Money are managed by each conference. As for the Nike/Adidas/UnderAmor handing out money to high school coaches, handlers and player families ... the key is the motivation for these companies to steer a player to one team or another. To wit, these COMPANIES are interested in the dollars coming back from certain high profile recruits in the future. Note that the money seems to flow to folks associated with the highest level players - the ones projected to have an NBA future, and especially the ones with first round draft prospects. And the fact is that none of these companies cares whether the targeted recruit attends a SPECIFIC university, just as long as the destination has their logo on the uniform. In that context the emails from 2017 that references how Nike looks at things makes a lot of sense. The emails say (truth or not) that Adidas and Under Armor are working extra hard in the pay scheme - and the reason is clear -> those two companies have LESS schools with their logos. Nike could sit back and do nothing, and a recruit could have a high likelihood to end up at a Nike school based simply on the number of schools associated with the swoosh. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 19, 2019 19:51:31 GMT -8
Ralph's transgressions would be minor, minor compared to today. Aki Hill's NCAA infractions would be considered laughable. Now the Slats Gill era was rampant with serious money being handed out in a lot of sports for lots of schools. On a real dollar basis, the Gill era may really outdo the money this article discusses. The West Coast teams were dollar machines back in the day - that apocryphal story about the reporter asking a Fusky player in the late 50's if he was excited about getting drafted into the NFL, and having him say something to the effect of "it's exciting, but I won't like the pay cut", or the story from (I believe) the 1905 Boregonian talking about the accusations of the then Oregon State (OAC?) football team being full of ringers and "Fall only" "students". Im not so sure you’re not confusing that with Alex Karras coming out of Iowa to the NFL. Maybe one was a copycat, but Karras’s quote is widely known. Maybe because he got busted for gambling, or became famous, or both. |
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Post by Tigardbeav on Sept 20, 2019 7:48:18 GMT -8
The West Coast teams were dollar machines back in the day - that apocryphal story about the reporter asking a Fusky player in the late 50's if he was excited about getting drafted into the NFL, and having him say something to the effect of "it's exciting, but I won't like the pay cut", or the story from (I believe) the 1905 Boregonian talking about the accusations of the then Oregon State (OAC?) football team being full of ringers and "Fall only" "students". Im not so sure you’re not confusing that with Alex Karras coming out of Iowa to the NFL. Maybe one was a copycat, but Karras’s quote is widely known. Maybe because he got busted for gambling, or became famous, or both. The Husky player was Hugh McElhenny ....early 50's www.seattlepi.com/sports/article/The-untold-story-of-Hugh-McElhenny-the-King-of-1153112.php |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 20, 2019 8:55:28 GMT -8
Im not so sure you’re not confusing that with Alex Karras coming out of Iowa to the NFL. Maybe one was a copycat, but Karras’s quote is widely known. Maybe because he got busted for gambling, or became famous, or both. The Husky player was Hugh McElhenny ....early 50's "(Karras said he had to take a pay cut when he went from Iowa to the Lions.)" Later: Karras Iowa
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