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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 27, 2019 9:06:54 GMT -8
Assuming I did the math in my head right, that's what Tres needs to become the second player ever at OSU to have at least 1000 points, 700 rebounds and 300 assists.
The first guy to do it wasn't a name I would have guess off the top of my head. Both players have had pretty good careers at OSU.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jul 27, 2019 9:41:49 GMT -8
Assuming I did the math in my head right, that's what Tres needs to become the second player ever at OSU to have at least 1000 points, 700 rebounds and 300 assists. The first guy to do it wasn't a name I would have guess off the top of my head. Both players have had pretty good careers at OSU. Joe Burton?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 27, 2019 9:53:39 GMT -8
Assuming I did the math in my head right, that's what Tres needs to become the second player ever at OSU to have at least 1000 points, 700 rebounds and 300 assists. The first guy to do it wasn't a name I would have guess off the top of my head. Both players have had pretty good careers at OSU. Good conversation post. Great for TT... I guess. Been a good all-around player in many ways. Although... you can make stats "say" whatever you'd like. I'm guessing none of those (1000/700/300) individually are in the top 5-10 for boards? Top 10-15 for assists? Top 35-40 scoring? Change the scoring to 1500+ TT will be the only one with 1500/700/300. But, what does that mean comparing eras, # of games played, atts/%s, averages, etc? Nice conversation piece, but to me it is fairly meaningless besides winning. And, IMHO TT is an level below the "all-time OSU greats" no matter where he finishes on a list(s) as guys were not asked or in similar situations to achieve all-round statistics. You can go down the media guide for scoring and pick... 5? 10? 15? you may rather have. Rebounding (surprising OSU has ONE guy with 1000+ boards and did it is 89 games/15.4 per!!) ... 5? 10? Assists (not a real strength for TT, especially when compared to TOs)... 10? 15? 20? other guys. That said OSU have had lots of "journeymen/jack of trades" that never got to build stats, but were great all-around players, Joe Burton being a highly under rated one if you go by stats. Watch him play and he drove you crazy. But, a lot of personal player evaluation is based on personal bias, who you saw in person and the level of talent they played against, stats other than wins become kinda secondary. Unless of course teams success is lacking, then individual player stats are the conversation.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 27, 2019 12:39:39 GMT -8
I guess the first question I have is... Where the heck is/are the OSU Men’s basketball historical stats? I could swear I found them quite readily on osubeavers.com last year and today it’s just not happening for me.
I did take the time to look up one player’s stats, I’d like to be able to look up OSU’s career stats leaders to see where he fits in. Tres is at 95 games and is 30 points and 200 rebounds shy of matching AC Green’s 115 game totals, already has surpassed him in steals, assists and blocks. Tres could very well be in the top 10-20 in school history in several categories by the time he’s done. I would hope if a person is comparing stats and statistical ratios, such as assist to turnover ratio, they are comparing it to players that played similar positions. To be fair, Tres’s stats should be compared to the AC Greens, Charlie Sittons, Ricky Lees and other forwards in school history rather than cherry picking his stats against those of the top rebounding center, the top ball hawking guard or top assist making guard, etc.
Anyone got an OSU all-time stats link?
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 27, 2019 14:06:55 GMT -8
I guess the first question I have is... Where the heck is/are the OSU Men’s basketball historical stats? I could swear I found them quite readily on osubeavers.com last year and today it’s just not happening for me. I did take the time to look up one player’s stats, I’d like to be able to look up OSU’s career stats leaders to see where he fits in. Tres is at 95 games and is 30 points and 200 rebounds shy of matching AC Green’s 115 game totals, already has surpassed him in steals, assists and blocks. Tres could very well be in the top 10-20 in school history in several categories by the time he’s done. I would hope if a person is comparing stats and statistical ratios, such as assist to turnover ratio, they are comparing it to players that played similar positions. To be fair, Tres’s stats should be compared to the AC Greens, Charlie Sittons, Ricky Lees and other forwards in school history rather than cherry picking his stats against those of the top rebounding center, the top ball hawking guard or top assist making guard, etc. Anyone got an OSU all-time stats link? OSU... basketball... additional links... media guide is a descent look.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 27, 2019 15:05:29 GMT -8
I guess the first question I have is... Where the heck is/are the OSU Men’s basketball historical stats? I could swear I found them quite readily on osubeavers.com last year and today it’s just not happening for me. I did take the time to look up one player’s stats, I’d like to be able to look up OSU’s career stats leaders to see where he fits in. Tres is at 95 games and is 30 points and 200 rebounds shy of matching AC Green’s 115 game totals, already has surpassed him in steals, assists and blocks. Tres could very well be in the top 10-20 in school history in several categories by the time he’s done. I would hope if a person is comparing stats and statistical ratios, such as assist to turnover ratio, they are comparing it to players that played similar positions. To be fair, Tres’s stats should be compared to the AC Greens, Charlie Sittons, Ricky Lees and other forwards in school history rather than cherry picking his stats against those of the top rebounding center, the top ball hawking guard or top assist making guard, etc. Anyone got an OSU all-time stats link? OSU... basketball... additional links... media guide is a descent look. Fasten your seat belts. We are about to begin our descent.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 27, 2019 15:12:40 GMT -8
Thanks on the navigation to the media guide link.
It’ll be interesting to see what it looks like when it gets updated to see his junior year stats added in. They have him at 3rd in scoring, 6th in assists, 9th in rebounding and steals at OSU as a sophomore. Top 10 in 4 separate categories as a sophomore ain’t bad. He’s already at 6th in career scoring and 9th in career rebounding (if this last year’s results had been added in) at OSU with a season to go. If he stays healthy he’ll be way up there in several categories when they come out with the 2020-2021 media guide.
edit: I might as well go there....
If Tres matches last year’s output his career numbers would put him in the top 10 in these categories:
Scoring - #1 Rebounding - #2 Assists - #8 Steals - #5
He’s got a shot at squeaking into the top 10 in blocked shots as well if he could pick it up a bit, needs 6 more than last year, could be doable considering he played the most of the season with an iffy ankle.
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Post by bill82 on Jul 27, 2019 16:52:22 GMT -8
Best to celebrate individual stats after the team has success. TT will not make any top ten player lists if he doesn't make an NCAA tournament.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jul 27, 2019 16:58:05 GMT -8
Best to celebrate individual stats after the team has success. TT will not make any top ten player lists if he doesn't make an NCAA tournament. I totally agree with this. Thing is, he was a big part of our last NCAA visit and gets little credit for it.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 27, 2019 17:39:54 GMT -8
Best to celebrate individual stats after the team has success. TT will not make any top ten player lists if he doesn't make an NCAA tournament. Tres already helped a team make an NCAA tournament. But I guess that rules out Brent Barry and anyone else who played between 1991 and 2015. And Felicia Ragland on the women's side.
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Post by bill82 on Jul 28, 2019 3:33:04 GMT -8
Best to celebrate individual stats after the team has success. TT will not make any top ten player lists if he doesn't make an NCAA tournament. I totally agree with this. Thing is, he was a big part of our last NCAA visit and gets little credit for it. You are right. Should have said. "led a team to NCAA berth." I don't remember him as a critical part of that team. GPII was the leader.
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Post by bill82 on Jul 28, 2019 3:33:51 GMT -8
Best to celebrate individual stats after the team has success. TT will not make any top ten player lists if he doesn't make an NCAA tournament. Tres already helped a team make an NCAA tournament. But I guess that rules out Brent Barry and anyone else who played between 1991 and 2015. And Felicia Ragland on the women's side. Agree. If you have a substantial NBA career it does change the calculus.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jul 28, 2019 6:53:59 GMT -8
I totally agree with this. Thing is, he was a big part of our last NCAA visit and gets little credit for it. You are right. Should have said. "led a team to NCAA berth." I don't remember him as a critical part of that team. GPII was the leader. He was second in scoring, rebounding and steals and minutes played, as a freshman. I'd say that's a critical part of the team. Your continual dismissals of Tres' considerable talents are embarrassing. And what happens professionally has no bearing whatsoever on what someone accomplished playing for the Beavers, or where he should be judged on the list of OSU all-time greats. A long MLB career doesn't make Steve Lyons a top-10 player over Mitch Canham, who never spent a day on an MLB roster. Several years in the NFL doesn't make Teron Ward a better OSU running back than Ken Simonson, who had one or two NFL carries.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2019 8:36:43 GMT -8
You are right. Should have said. "led a team to NCAA berth." I don't remember him as a critical part of that team. GPII was the leader. He was second in scoring, rebounding and steals and minutes played, as a freshman. I'd say that's a critical part of the team. Your continual dismissals of Tres' considerable talents are embarrassing. And what happens professionally has no bearing whatsoever on what someone accomplished playing for the Beavers, or where he shouldbe judged on the list of OSU all-time greats. A long MLB career doesn't make Steve Lyons a top-10 player over Mitch Canham, who never spent a day on an MLB roster. Several years in the NFL doesn't make Teron Ward a better OSU running back than Ken Simonson, who had one ot two NFL carries. Ken Simonton forgives you. Ken is a cool guy. Just don't call him Kenny.
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Post by beavermd on Jul 29, 2019 9:36:38 GMT -8
I totally agree with this. Thing is, he was a big part of our last NCAA visit and gets little credit for it. You are right. Should have said. "led a team to NCAA berth." I don't remember him as a critical part of that team. GPII was the leader. You have a terrible memory.
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