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Post by gnawitall on Jul 26, 2019 16:44:14 GMT -8
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Post by gnawitall on Jul 26, 2019 16:46:17 GMT -8
The caption on my homepage said 'Oregon University' and I immediately thought it was on tsdtr but then I realized it could be any 'Oregon' university and thought, 'uh oh'. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 26, 2019 19:33:32 GMT -8
They probably had it coming. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 27, 2019 17:19:43 GMT -8
Sorry.... building new house and it’s all wood.....tastefully done......
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 29, 2019 20:10:40 GMT -8
420 years is a good run. As a werebeaver I am lacking in sympathy for trees. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 6:11:11 GMT -8
420 years is a good run. As a werebeaver I am lacking in sympathy for trees. were you a real beaver you would now be lacking some habitat. But looking at you, your habitat appears to be the Little Debbie aisle at Foodmart, so i get your apathy. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 30, 2019 6:29:07 GMT -8
420 years is a good run. As a werebeaver I am lacking in sympathy for trees. were you a real beaver you would now be lacking some habitat. But looking at you, your habitat appears to be the Little Debbie aisle at Foodmart, so i get your apathy. Touche! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 6:38:24 GMT -8
were you a real beaver you would now be lacking some habitat. But looking at you, your habitat appears to be the Little Debbie aisle at Foodmart, so i get your apathy. Touche! seriously man, what does a werebeaver eat, because that's not a strictly doug fir diet, it can't be. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jul 30, 2019 6:50:45 GMT -8
seriously man, what does a werebeaver eat, because that's not a strictly doug fir diet, it can't be. ”seriously”? |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 30, 2019 8:03:55 GMT -8
Sorry.... building new house and it’s all wood.....tastefully done...... Just giving the age of the tree is irrelevant. Health, location, etc. are all important factors in the overall decision to cut. If we were to practice the most up to date forestry practices we have learned in the past 100 years, selective logging, thinning, fuel load clean up, etc., would happen on ALL public lands. But, god forbid according to the earth dirt worshippers we should focus on what is actually best overall for the long term health of the forest, not just a few feathered creatures.
You can't have it both ways - either you close up the fire fighting apparatus in state/ national forests and let it burn naturally when it wants to, which means more frequent, smaller fires that generally won't consume the larger trees, or you need to engage in fuel removal, thinning, etc. Seeing the remnants of the B&B fire near the pass of Hwy 22 heading to Bend raises my blood pressure every time. Assinine people/ policies did not allow salvage logging by helicopter to advance the regeneration, as well as tax revenue for schools, like OSU. Instead, we have our hand out to the Feds for timber subsidies, for not cutting timber. Why am I not surprised................................... 
On a side note, I too am building a house - gotta love wood!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 8:18:51 GMT -8
Sorry.... building new house and it’s all wood.....tastefully done...... Just giving the age of the tree is irrelevant. Health, location, etc. are all important factors in the overall decision to cut. If we were to practice the most up to date forestry practices we have learned in the past 100 years, selective logging, thinning, fuel load clean up, etc., would happen on ALL public lands. But, god forbid according to the earth dirt worshippers we should focus on what is actually best overall for the long term health of the forest, not just a few feathered creatures.
You can't have it both ways - either you close up the fire fighting apparatus in state/ national forests and let it burn naturally when it wants to, which means more frequent, smaller fires that generally won't consume the larger trees, or you need to engage in fuel removal, thinning, etc. Seeing the remnants of the B&B fire near the pass of Hwy 22 heading to Bend raises my blood pressure every time. Assinine people/ policies did not allow salvage logging by helicopter to advance the regeneration, as well as tax revenue for schools, like OSU. Instead, we have our hand out to the Feds for timber subsidies, for not cutting timber. Why am I not surprised...................................
On a side note, I too am building a house - gotta love wood!
As i understand it, most mills cant even process old growth wood into building products because the trees are too large. Anyway, leaving the politics out of it, the school should never have cut that grove. Really bad move just to make some money. Also makes you wonder about kickbacks to school employees. Somebody should audit the accounting. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 30, 2019 8:59:37 GMT -8
Just giving the age of the tree is irrelevant. Health, location, etc. are all important factors in the overall decision to cut. If we were to practice the most up to date forestry practices we have learned in the past 100 years, selective logging, thinning, fuel load clean up, etc., would happen on ALL public lands. But, god forbid according to the earth dirt worshippers we should focus on what is actually best overall for the long term health of the forest, not just a few feathered creatures.
You can't have it both ways - either you close up the fire fighting apparatus in state/ national forests and let it burn naturally when it wants to, which means more frequent, smaller fires that generally won't consume the larger trees, or you need to engage in fuel removal, thinning, etc. Seeing the remnants of the B&B fire near the pass of Hwy 22 heading to Bend raises my blood pressure every time. Assinine people/ policies did not allow salvage logging by helicopter to advance the regeneration, as well as tax revenue for schools, like OSU. Instead, we have our hand out to the Feds for timber subsidies, for not cutting timber. Why am I not surprised...................................
On a side note, I too am building a house - gotta love wood!
As i understand it, most mills cant even process old growth wood into building products because the trees are too large. Anyway, leaving the politics out of it, the school should never have cut that grove. Really bad move just to make some money. Also makes you wonder about kickbacks to school employees. Somebody should audit the accounting. All fair points - I recently took some large hazard trees off of my property, less than a dozen, and one of the firs was 4' in diameter at the base. No mills in the area could mill a tree that large, as well as it would have been a #3 grade, due to the large knots. So it went for chips instead.
If it was a grove of trees, and not just one large tree, and all of the trees were of the same approximate age, I would agree with you - bad move, bad optics. The only other thing I would look at is the overall health of the grove. Sometimes, a grove can get infested with a fungal pathogen, and it can start to kill the trees. Or, they can have substantial rot in their core. Then, it comes down to optics vs. long term health of the forest. Occasionally the best move is to cut a stand, and replant it. But I agree, often that decision isn't about real science, it is about economics. I love a beautiful stand of old growth trees as much as anyone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 9:32:23 GMT -8
As i understand it, most mills cant even process old growth wood into building products because the trees are too large. Anyway, leaving the politics out of it, the school should never have cut that grove. Really bad move just to make some money. Also makes you wonder about kickbacks to school employees. Somebody should audit the accounting. All fair points - I recently took some large hazard trees off of my property, less than a dozen, and one of the firs was 4' in diameter at the base. No mills in the area could mill a tree that large, as well as it would have been a #3 grade, due to the large knots. So it went for chips instead.
If it was a grove of trees, and not just one large tree, and all of the trees were of the same approximate age, I would agree with you - bad move, bad optics. The only other thing I would look at is the overall health of the grove. Sometimes, a grove can get infested with a fungal pathogen, and it can start to kill the trees. Or, they can have substantial rot in their core. Then, it comes down to optics vs. long term health of the forest. Occasionally the best move is to cut a stand, and replant it. But I agree, often that decision isn't about real science, it is about economics. I love a beautiful stand of old growth trees as much as anyone.
Yeah it's not my area of expertise either but the optics are horrible as you say. Also, i wonder if the timber company sold the logs to a wholesaler for export to be processed in some other country. I really hate the idea of that. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Jul 30, 2019 12:06:46 GMT -8
All fair points - I recently took some large hazard trees off of my property, less than a dozen, and one of the firs was 4' in diameter at the base. No mills in the area could mill a tree that large, as well as it would have been a #3 grade, due to the large knots. So it went for chips instead.
If it was a grove of trees, and not just one large tree, and all of the trees were of the same approximate age, I would agree with you - bad move, bad optics. The only other thing I would look at is the overall health of the grove. Sometimes, a grove can get infested with a fungal pathogen, and it can start to kill the trees. Or, they can have substantial rot in their core. Then, it comes down to optics vs. long term health of the forest. Occasionally the best move is to cut a stand, and replant it. But I agree, often that decision isn't about real science, it is about economics. I love a beautiful stand of old growth trees as much as anyone.
Yeah it's not my area of expertise either but the optics are horrible as you say. Also, i wonder if the timber company sold the logs to a wholesaler for export to be processed in some other country. I really hate the idea of that. Right there with you |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Jul 30, 2019 18:14:27 GMT -8
Sorry.... building new house and it’s all wood.....tastefully done...... Just giving the age of the tree is irrelevant. Health, location, etc. are all important factors in the overall decision to cut. If we were to practice the most up to date forestry practices we have learned in the past 100 years, selective logging, thinning, fuel load clean up, etc., would happen on ALL public lands. But, god forbid according to the earth dirt worshippers we should focus on what is actually best overall for the long term health of the forest, not just a few feathered creatures.
You can't have it both ways - either you close up the fire fighting apparatus in state/ national forests and let it burn naturally when it wants to, which means more frequent, smaller fires that generally won't consume the larger trees, or you need to engage in fuel removal, thinning, etc. Seeing the remnants of the B&B fire near the pass of Hwy 22 heading to Bend raises my blood pressure every time. Assinine people/ policies did not allow salvage logging by helicopter to advance the regeneration, as well as tax revenue for schools, like OSU. Instead, we have our hand out to the Feds for timber subsidies, for not cutting timber. Why am I not surprised...................................
On a side note, I too am building a house - gotta love wood!
Actually... I was joking.... I think it’s a damn shame that this happened. A little background, my family grew up in timber industry. My grandad worked for 40 years in the industry, my uncle did. I worked in the industry. First as summer jobs and then in banking. I lent millions to wood product companies. But something like this..... breaks the heart. Always respect the Forest. Wood products provides a lot of jobs. Many Oregon towns are still to this day dependent. Just respect the Forest. It can be managed responsibly for nature, as well as man. it’s really not a binary thing. What OSU did was a mistake. Big mistake. |
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