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Post by 411500 on Jun 8, 2019 6:37:41 GMT -8
An outsider looking at the Beaver roster would think Coach Rueck has more height than he could possibly use. Andrea Aquino at 6'9, Jelena Mitrovic at 6'8, and Patricia Morris at 6'8..... Where will they all play. Will one redshirt? Will one actually move out of the paint to play a traditional 4? What to do with so much height and so many promising players, each of whom every team in the conference would love to have on their roster.....
Well, not so fast.
Jelena Mitrovic, the 6'8 talent from Serbia is wearing crutches 3 weeks after a leg injury which pretty much means this is no I'll be back on the court soon type of injury....Andrea Aquino, the 6'9 player that everyone believes will be a good one, has a variety of undisclosed issues which Coach himself says takes her eligibility out of his hands...Patricia Morris, the 6'8 sophomore who saw spot action in her Frosh season, well, she looks like she just might be the only one who laces up in December...
So, Coach now finds himself in a situation where he has gone from having the tallest roster in the NCAA WBB universe, to having one rarely used backup fill the post position - a position he very much relies on to run his offence they way he likes to run it....
The surprise winner in this scenario? Maddie Washington. The 4th year senior, 6 inches shorter than the Bigs she's filling in for, is looking more and more like she might be the starting post player on America's tallest team.
Of course, this is June. Not December. Patricia Morris might, as many of us hope, barge right in and take over from day one. Aquino might get the green light and become the star many believe is her calling...Mitrovic might rehab quickly and be ready for conference play in January.....
But right now, it's still June, and to me it's looking like Maddie and Patricia are the only Bigs standing....and one of them ain't so big... GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jun 8, 2019 6:52:14 GMT -8
Of course it is still very early and as you mentioned above, lots of questions remain unanswered. We also have 6-6 Kennedy Brown and 6-3 Taylor Jones, both are more than capable of playing the 5. I like Jones a lot at the 5. Long, athletic, and skilled goes a long way in the Pac-12 and Taylor has it all. It will be a big adjustment, but I think she is ready. Kennedy at 6-6 is another option. I know she wants to play a 4, but if her options are spending time backing up Corosdale at the 4 or big minutes at the 5, I'm confident Kennedy is going to do what is best for the team. She is very skilled and has great size but still very mobile. I like those two a lot.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 8, 2019 9:55:04 GMT -8
"We also have 6-6 Kennedy Brown and 6-3 Taylor Jones, both are more than capable of playing the 5."
beaverwbb fan - Your insights into our team are usually spot on, so I will ask you this: When was the last time a Frosh started at the post for the Beavs? I really can't remember. Did Ruth? Gulich didn't.
Jones or Brown may be the first to do it, but it would a tough, tough adjustment for them. They're both sinewy-thin rather than solid-thick so they'd have to get used to being knocked around. Paint life is tough on rookies.
Listen, I'm hoping' you're right in thinking these two have the skills to start in their rookie season. That would be great...Corosdale & Pivec did it. But right now I kinda doubt it....Personally, I think if Brown makes the starting 5 we'll see more of a motion offence with no true post....Or maybe lots of double high with no low...But now we're getting entirely too obtuse !
The main point of my original post is simple: we once had 3 Big bigs. Now it looks to me like we've got one. And that One may not be able to beat out Maddie for the job... GO BEAVS !!
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Post by bvrbooster on Jun 8, 2019 10:11:48 GMT -8
I didn't realize it had been announced that neither Andrea nor Jelena would play this coming year. When did that happen? Was any reason given in either instance?
What's that you say? No such announcement has been made in either case?
Then why is four hundred eleven thousand five hundred talking about their 2019-20 seasons in the past tense?
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Post by rmancarl on Jun 8, 2019 10:26:05 GMT -8
In my opinion, Maddie will be fine as the center through December, and for the entire season if needed, but I don't think that is the ideal situation. I'm one person who is high on Morris. She has the tools, she just needs to get the experience. I'm also think Jones is going to be very good, but I do have to question how ready she will be since she didn't play AAU or any other competition last year, and has played in a small league as a senior. I just think there may be a time adjustment. Hopefully that adjustment will happen quickly.
I agree that Kennedy at center really means the team is playing without a post. She has all kinds of skills, but she tends to drift, and want to play on the outside. I know coach can get her to play inside, but I'm not sure that is even what he wants for Kennedy.
Yep, 411500, we may (or maybe not) have lost a lot of height for this season, but I'm still one that preferred to see Jelena redshirt, and I've counted Andrea out until there is some word that tells us something different, so right now the season is shaping up the way I expected.....except I have no idea what will really happen in the post. I expect it will mostly be Trish and Maddie until Pac-12 roles around.
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Post by blodgettbeaver on Jun 8, 2019 10:45:49 GMT -8
When's the last time we got a 5-star recruit at Center? That should be the question that's asked that was eligible to play. This will be the first time so that is good news maybe a new trend.
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Post by beavsteve on Jun 8, 2019 10:53:52 GMT -8
In my opinion, Maddie will be fine as the center through December, and for the entire season if needed, but I don't think that is the ideal situation. I'm one person who is high on Morris. She has the tools, she just needs to get the experience. I'm also think Jones is going to be very good, but I do have to question how ready she will be since she didn't play AAU or any other competition last year, and has played in a small league as a senior. I just think there may be a time adjustment. Hopefully that adjustment will happen quickly. I agree that Kennedy at center really means the team is playing without a post. She has all kinds of skills, but she tends to drift, and want to play on the outside. I know coach can get her to play inside, but I'm not sure that is even what he wants for Kennedy. Yep, 411500, we may (or maybe not) have lost a lot of height for this season, but I'm still one that preferred to see Jelena redshirt, and I've counted Andrea out until there is some word that tells us something different, so right now the season is shaping up the way I expected.....except I have no idea what will really happen in the post. I expect it will mostly be Trish and Maddie until Pac-12 roles around. Brown rejected universities that recruited her wanting her to play exclusively at center. She made it extremely clear (as stated in some media articles) that she wants to be versatile. She could play a little center in case we had a dire need, but I see her playing mainly 4 and 3 (the latter if she proves she can do it). I see Trish and Taylor being the focus at center. I agree with you regarding Andrea, but feel Mitrovic should play and will start later this season if she is healthy.
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Jun 8, 2019 11:39:26 GMT -8
411500, You are correct in your statement that no freshmen has ever started at post in recent memory for the OSU, but Ruth came in as a huge project (and 6'4" and 6'7" were ahead of her though neither were great, though good), so, much like Trish, she wasn't at the level of a Pac-12 starter as a freshmen, but Rueck and Co. developed her into everything they had hoped, a tall, strong center that rebounds and defends at the rim, and she had developed an arsenal of offensive moves that helped her become one of the most dominant two-way centers as a junior and senior. Gulich, while she had a nice freshman campaign was not going to start in front of Ruth - who was perhaps the best pure center in the country at the time -as a frosh. Last year, although there wasn't a dominant center ahead of her (much like there wasn't one ahead of Ruth as a freshman), she was too raw for Pac-12 play, but she has all the tools to become what Ruth did, and the athleticism to go further. I think that Mitrovic, Brown, and Jones come in with a little more polish than Morris and Hamblin did, and there is no dominant post player ahead of them like there was Hamblin when Gulich was there. Morris is still a big question, because she has a lot of potential, and Rueck praises her as a quick, dilligent learner, so I certainly wouldn't rule out a big leap from her. Mitrovic comes in with an extremely unique skillset for 6'9". She has a soft touch, a crazy high IQ for 6'9", and finds the open player like a PG (she averaged 2.2 ASTS). Her only downside is her lack of conditioning and up-and-down the floor speed (which is a much easier fix than lateral and mobility issues IMO). The degree of her injury is still questionable, as is her return timetable. I agree with rmancarl in that it would be helpful for many reasons to have her redshirt (recovery, adapt to new life, condition, and balance class sizes), but it would be nice to have her if Rueck thinks she is a difference maker as a freshman.
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Post by gowenbeavs on Jun 8, 2019 14:32:43 GMT -8
I don't care who plays the post as long as they can: CATCH THE BALL, play defense, defend the rim and make UNCONTESTED SHOTS AT THE RIM. OH YA, they must be a Junior or younger this coming season.
SR has his work cut out for him
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Post by jegerklog on Jun 8, 2019 15:11:25 GMT -8
As noted in a number of previous posts, Patricia Morris is relatively inexperienced being a 3 sport athlete in High School and not eating and sleeping in basketball. I do not believe she was on any specialty teams playing high level competition around the country unlike most of the other more experienced recruits? Pretty much under the radar. This could be viewed negatively but on the other hand there could be a lot of potential that just requires more experience and some playing time. As suggested by beaverwbb fan, don’t count Morris out.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jun 8, 2019 15:32:09 GMT -8
As noted in a number of previous posts, Patricia Morris is relatively inexperienced being a 3 sport athlete in High School and not eating and sleeping in basketball. I do not believe she was on any specialty teams playing high level competition around the country unlike most of the other more experienced recruits? Pretty much under the radar. This could be viewed negatively but on the other hand there could be a lot of potential that just requires more experience and some playing time. As suggested by beaverwbb fan, don’t count Morris out. I don’t think she could fit, let alone sleep in a basketball
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Post by jegerklog on Jun 8, 2019 15:45:32 GMT -8
it requires a lot of flexibility and concentration
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Post by shelby on Jun 8, 2019 15:51:56 GMT -8
Valid point.... I am a glass 7/8 full regarding Morris. She has the athleticism that can get to Gulich level pretty quickly. One area of concern is 'foul trouble'. Good athletes want to own the ball ( no matter the sport ), and she seems to run on athletic instinct rather than basketball instinct. Not a criticism , just hopefully a teaching point for Rueck and Staff. I am personally pretty pumped about this next year. We have every one except McWilliams and our foreign center back, and our hole to fill would seem to be 'center'. We have plenty of options unless there is an injury curse like our pitching staff saw this year. Don't know, of course, how everything will play out - but this could be a fun year to watch these women overachieve again.
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Post by beaveragain on Jun 8, 2019 15:58:15 GMT -8
I think Maddie did a great job at post last year. Her only real problem was on defense when her opposition was 6'4" or more. Offensively she learned when to pull the ball away from the basket to shoot, and after having a hard time shooting at too short a range by the end of the season she found the sweet spot and was shooting consistently. My hope for the off season is that she works on her rebounding. It's not natural for her, but she can work on boxing out etc that can be much improved by practice. Maddie can get it all done, but she has to have a bit of cussedness that I think may just not be in her nature. Both she and Taya are sweet, kind people who have a hard time with the whole "You shall not PASS" aspect of the game. But they have both shown it at times. Let's hope they both can bring it out more.
Pat is a mystery, but I think she will be what we need next season. Her improvement over the last season was fantastic. There wasn't a single aspect of her game that didn't get better. If she keeps it up over the off season she will be our salvation when the true bigs come along. Someone mentioned that they thought that SR's teams need a scoring post to have the offense work and I completely disagree. So long as someone can drive and score at the basket it's irrelevant as to whether the post is also scoring. What SR really needs for his teams to be really successful is a post who can back up the defense.
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Post by nwhoopfan on Jun 8, 2019 16:20:05 GMT -8
Someone mentioned that they thought that SR's teams need a scoring post to have the offense work and I completely disagree. So long as someone can drive and score at the basket it's irrelevant as to whether the post is also scoring. What SR really needs for his teams to be really successful is a post who can back up the defense. Drifting off topic, but I think having a healthy Tudor back will help the offense immensely. It seemed to me like the 3 point shooting for the team went way south right after her injury, can't be a coincidence.
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