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Post by beavaristotle on Mar 18, 2016 11:45:04 GMT -8
great season, but looking ahead we need to toughen up. really exposed on the boards today. hopefully thru maturity and some additions we can become a physical tough rebounding .
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Mar 18, 2016 11:47:39 GMT -8
We are losing some players to graduation who did help us in some areas.....but rebounding was NOT one of them
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Mar 18, 2016 11:51:19 GMT -8
and toughness needs to extend to our perimeter players as well. Not making excuses for our bigs in any way, but plenty of times VCU (or insert team name) got easy penetration, bigs come to help and we end up with a 2 on 1 situation right at the hoop. If no one rotates on the back side. easy money for the other guys.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 18, 2016 11:58:25 GMT -8
sounds like GA! LOL
The three incoming guys upgrade us tremendously overall vs what we graduate. Rebounding as a team improves when you have a couple guys who are physical, block out... leads to everyone being involved and more 50/50 balls becoming 60/40 or 70/30. Need another BIG, but he has to be able to face up and be a threat too. The JC from UTAH is a must, then next class has to stress mobile/rugged bigs.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 18, 2016 12:10:02 GMT -8
We have to learn the game better as well. We gave up a lot of and 1s where the foul (sometimes nonexistent, sometimes touch fouls) happen because we are badly out of position and play defense with arms only. Meanwhile VCU got away with a lot of banging simply because they know how to defend with good body position.
I was hoping a hot Bruce and Thompson could overcome these deficiencies, but that is a lot to ask. Payton has bailed us out so much on defense and rebounding that significant improvements are needed across the board in this area to be on par with this team next year.
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Post by seastape on Mar 18, 2016 13:57:22 GMT -8
We have to learn the game better as well. There are a few areas that the team needs to get better at and I think that will come with time.
I think the area I'd really like to see some improvement is our screen play on offense, both setting them and using them. They're not very solid when set and then the setter moves...I cringe sometimes in fear of getting called for moving screens.
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Post by gzrbvr on Mar 18, 2016 14:25:50 GMT -8
We have to learn the game better as well. There are a few areas that the team needs to get better at and I think that will come with time.
I think the area I'd really like to see some improvement is our screen play on offense, both setting them and using them. They're not very solid when set and then the setter moves...I cringe sometimes in fear of getting called for moving screens.
There are some areas beyond screening and rebounds that need to be addressed. Let me be plain about it--some of these guys play selfishly--some of them need to work on their shots--specifically "runners" which are shots that only two or three players in the whole bb universe can make with any consistency. There is no reason players of this talent can not break a press and take advantage of it as well. I know I am repeating myself, but even today, when the opportunity was there in the first half, we insisted on laying the ball over the rim rather than taking the points off the glass. Some of these things are not rocket science--Next year, WT has to tighten the ship substantially. Most of the old guys are gone. He has to run it the right way which is winning bb, not showtime bb. Step on their throat early and then show off.
Don't get me wrong--I congratulate the team for their accomplishments over the two years. It was way beyond expectations and was mostly fun to watch, at least in comparison to recent years. But, if the team is serious about winning instead of just playing, some important changes need to be made, both physical and mental.
GZR
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Post by usmc1958 on Mar 18, 2016 20:50:03 GMT -8
great season, but looking ahead we need to toughen up. really exposed on the boards today. hopefully thru maturity and some additions we can become a physical tough rebounding . We need to at least look mean, and act tough. There were a few Dudes on VCU that if I met them in a dark or even a well lighted alley, I would just hand them my wallet and watch without a second thought.
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Post by bennyorange on Mar 22, 2016 7:31:37 GMT -8
great season, but looking ahead we need to toughen up. really exposed on the boards today. hopefully thru maturity and some additions we can become a physical tough rebounding . Eubanks in particular needs to hit the gym big time in the off season and add about 20-30 lbs of muscle. The kid has great potential but got blown up by stronger players inside.
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Post by georgevonbeaverstrom on Mar 22, 2016 8:26:10 GMT -8
"add about 20-30 lbs of muscle" in the offseason - uh... that's not that easy.
But yes he needs to get stronger. They all need to get stronger.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 22, 2016 9:05:55 GMT -8
The 20-30 pounds I keep seeing guys banty around would put him at 260-270 lbs... pretty darned huge for a 19 year old kid who's projected at power forward. I could see 10-15 lbs and extra strength coming pretty fast.
My thinking it's not totally a matter of strength, more a matter of not having played the game that long and not having played against top quality players for any length of time. Right now the best practice opponent we probably have to put up against him to give him work against any kind of power game is a 50 year old man. That hopefully will change as we fill in depth through recruiting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 9:16:53 GMT -8
Don't forget, many players naturally bulk up and fill out in year two. We are talking about 18-19 year olds...
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Post by gzrbvr on Mar 22, 2016 12:18:46 GMT -8
The 20-30 pounds I keep seeing guys banty around would put him at 260-270 lbs... pretty darned huge for a 19 year old kid who's projected at power forward. I could see 10-15 lbs and extra strength coming pretty fast. My thinking it's not totally a matter of strength, more a matter of not having played the game that long and not having played against top quality players for any length of time. Right now the best practice opponent we probably have to put up against him to give him work against any kind of power game is a 50 year old man. That hopefully will change as we fill in depth through recruiting. The thing that would help Eubanks the most would to have a couple wings that do not play Matador Defense. I can't count the times he was attacked from the backside when one or another of our wings went to sleep and didn't prevent a cut to the hoop.
I am all for Eubanks adding bulk. I think the whole team needs more bulk except maybe Duvivier who is thick. Add Big G--he is wide and thick.
What I would like to see is a game of 2 on 2 with three teams, Eubanks, NDiaye, Big G paired with a guard--the "floor" is limited to 15 foot radius from the basket--Play to 11 baskets, blood and guts, no holds barred-losers sit. Play for about two hours straight and go take a shower. Do it over and over. Figure out how to get the ball above the rim or keep the other guy from getting it above the rim. Find out who really wants to play. Have some kind of ref to prevent actual bloodshed or injury, but play their butts off for a couple months. I bet next year we would not see opposing guards curling into the paint (at least they would pay a price). I bet we would see our guys figure out how to get the ball over the lurking big men trying to stop them (or at least would figure out that maybe it is better strategy to kick the ball out to another player rather than take a facial.
To paraphrase Gen George Patton, "God, I love this game."
GZR
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 22, 2016 13:38:19 GMT -8
The 20-30 pounds I keep seeing guys banty around would put him at 260-270 lbs... pretty darned huge for a 19 year old kid who's projected at power forward. I could see 10-15 lbs and extra strength coming pretty fast. My thinking it's not totally a matter of strength, more a matter of not having played the game that long and not having played against top quality players for any length of time. Right now the best practice opponent we probably have to put up against him to give him work against any kind of power game is a 50 year old man. That hopefully will change as we fill in depth through recruiting. The thing that would help Eubanks the most would to have a couple wings that do not play Matador Defense. I can't count the times he was attacked from the backside when one or another of our wings went to sleep and didn't prevent a cut to the hoop.
I am all for Eubanks adding bulk. I think the whole team needs more bulk except maybe Duvivier who is thick. Add Big G--he is wide and thick.
What I would like to see is a game of 2 on 2 with three teams, Eubanks, NDiaye, Big G paired with a guard--the "floor" is limited to 15 foot radius from the basket--Play to 11 baskets, blood and guts, no holds barred-losers sit. Play for about two hours straight and go take a shower. Do it over and over. Figure out how to get the ball above the rim or keep the other guy from getting it above the rim. Find out who really wants to play. Have some kind of ref to prevent actual bloodshed or injury, but play their butts off for a couple months. I bet next year we would not see opposing guards curling into the paint (at least they would pay a price). I bet we would see our guys figure out how to get the ball over the lurking big men trying to stop them (or at least would figure out that maybe it is better strategy to kick the ball out to another player rather than take a facial.
To paraphrase Gen George Patton, "God, I love this game."
GZR
As one who has seen more than a few practices I can share a couple of personal notes: -they practice a ton of rotational defense... lots of box drill... getting to weak side help, not allowing cutters to pass between defender and ball, hedging/with weak side rotations; -they do as much rebounding/situation work... 3-on-3, 4-on-4, team, transition, etc. There are a few guys who just are not basketball "smart". I have no idea about their academics, but play is consistently stopped for the same few players who are constantly out of position, slow to get to help side, leave their feet on an almost constant basis. Watching our games you can easily guess for yourself which players may fall into this category. At times a couple of them have an "un-coachable"/dismissive attitude and make the same mistakes over and over and throw little temper tantrums requiring an assistant to grab them off the floor, take them aside and try to placate them and explain. It happened early and all throughout the season. Adding bulk to some of our players is the least of the worry. They have to UNDERSTAND their assignments, WANT to be coached, and EXECUTE what they are asked to do. That is the trait that allows under talented teams to beat the more talented team. As we add talent and we are, some of our players that were "regulars" are going to slowly get left by the wayside. As the incoming talent has more hoop experience, are better overall basketball players, and if they do a better job of executing the defensive philosophy will be key players, newcomer or not. The best thing about us adding talent is that practice is going to be much more competitive, and so will the 'fight' for playing time. We need at least one more mobile big for 2016. Next Fall some will step up and compete, others will not.
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Post by gzrbvr on Mar 22, 2016 14:20:50 GMT -8
The thing that would help Eubanks the most would to have a couple wings that do not play Matador Defense. I can't count the times he was attacked from the backside when one or another of our wings went to sleep and didn't prevent a cut to the hoop.
I am all for Eubanks adding bulk. I think the whole team needs more bulk except maybe Duvivier who is thick. Add Big G--he is wide and thick.
What I would like to see is a game of 2 on 2 with three teams, Eubanks, NDiaye, Big G paired with a guard--the "floor" is limited to 15 foot radius from the basket--Play to 11 baskets, blood and guts, no holds barred-losers sit. Play for about two hours straight and go take a shower. Do it over and over. Figure out how to get the ball above the rim or keep the other guy from getting it above the rim. Find out who really wants to play. Have some kind of ref to prevent actual bloodshed or injury, but play their butts off for a couple months. I bet next year we would not see opposing guards curling into the paint (at least they would pay a price). I bet we would see our guys figure out how to get the ball over the lurking big men trying to stop them (or at least would figure out that maybe it is better strategy to kick the ball out to another player rather than take a facial.
To paraphrase Gen George Patton, "God, I love this game."
GZR
As one who has seen more than a few practices I can share a couple of personal notes: -they practice a ton of rotational defense... lots of box drill... getting to weak side help, not allowing cutters to pass between defender and ball, hedging/with weak side rotations; -they do as much rebounding/situation work... 3-on-3, 4-on-4, team, transition, etc. There are a few guys who just are not basketball "smart". I have no idea about their academics, but play is consistently stopped for the same few players who are constantly out of position, slow to get to help side, leave their feet on an almost constant basis. Watching our games you can easily guess for yourself which players may fall into this category. At times a couple of them have an "un-coachable"/dismissive attitude and make the same mistakes over and over and throw little temper tantrums requiring an assistant to grab them off the floor, take them aside and try to placate them and explain. It happened early and all throughout the season. Adding bulk to some of our players is the least of the worry. They have to UNDERSTAND their assignments, WANT to be coached, and EXECUTE what they are asked to do. That is the trait that allows under talented teams to beat the more talented team. As we add talent and we are, some of our players that were "regulars" are going to slowly get left by the wayside. As the incoming talent has more hoop experience, are better overall basketball players, and if they do a better job of executing the defensive philosophy will be key players, newcomer or not. The best thing about us adding talent is that practice is going to be much more competitive, and so will the 'fight' for playing time. We need at least one more mobile big for 2016. Next Fall some will step up and compete, others will not. Thanks for the feedback. Same as always, the coach should play the guys who want to do it right, and the other guys should sit. Pretty hard to do when the cupboard is depleted. That is why I posted above that this is the time Coach Tinkle has to seriously impose his will. Frankly, I doubt next year will be as successful as this year, but it will be a building block year for sure. It is important that it be built right. I think Tinkle did a tremendous job the past two years keeping the guys together and meshing the old with the new. Now, it is his game and I hope he imposes his will big-time.
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