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Post by shelby on May 10, 2019 21:00:37 GMT -8
Well, I am personally not much for the Pro Game. But, watching the trailblazers has raised a new level of appreciation for certain parts of the game. Seeing Denver play defense, pretty much changes my uneducated opinion that NO DEFENSE is played in the NBA. Tres seems to be good when he can use his height and shoulders on the Defensive side, but the NBA with the uber quick, tall and athletic 1-5's are going to take away his D! strengths. He is not great at the three ball - like many of these guys are NOW. Maybe, that can be developed. I will say he is a little less than average. Where he is good is around the basket and when he drives the lane, however, he will have a hard time with the NBA Centers and the teams that move to the ball. He has a difficult time keeping his feet - very noticeable last year, although he may have been nursing a high sprain, and he dribbles out of control, at times, These are things that an athlete like Tres can work on, and fix. I would love to see him with one more year at D1 - then go. Why ? Not being selfish - just wanting him to succeed when he does get there. I think of Jared Cunningham and the idea that he left early ( too early ), went in the 1st round, number 24 pick - never really had an NBA career, and is now playing in Italy. I guess you can make some money there too - but , is that what Tres wants to do ?
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Post by osubeaver2018 on May 11, 2019 19:53:51 GMT -8
Tres and Ethan are coming back, right? we good? Rumor from a guy who knows a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, etc.... that yes they are planning on coming back. Neither were invited to the combine
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Post by shelby on May 12, 2019 6:48:04 GMT -8
In Tres' case, he has the degree, so from the scholar athlete side - he has completed the whole deal. Injuries cost him time on the floor, but, he was relatively healthy last year. If he wants to go, I am fine with that - however, the timing is not looking so good, for him - personally. So, I agree that he is going through the motions and will - in all probability return along with Ethan. Ethan showed dramatic improvement last year and he needs at least one more year to optimize at the D1 level. BTW - I know another guy, that knows the guys you are talking about and he doesn't want to comment until after midnight on the 29th.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 12, 2019 7:49:56 GMT -8
Shelby, if you think he was relatively healthy last season maybe you might not have been paying attention. At least for the conference season anyways.
That ankle injury in conference game number one affected him at least until the final 4-5 games and arguably the rest of the season.
You mentioned him not being able to keep his feet under him and hitting the floor, that was obviously a result of the ankle. Every time he pushed off with or landed on that leg for about 8-10 games or more he went down. I don't recall it being an issue preseason, perhaps I'm wrong.
Any time you favor a joint that much it starts affecting other things and can cascade from there. I'm betting he had trouble with both legs and maybe his hips and even back a bit at some point last season. If "relatively healthy" means capable of struggling to play through, then I guess he was, but in my book I'd say he was relatively healthy only in that he was not sitting out games. He probably should have sat out 4-6 games immediately after the injury to recover and play relatively healthy in my book.
He's still got some things to work on for sure. I probably wouldn't call his dribbling "sloppy" as much as I'd call it "lazy". Between "lazy" dribbling and passing it led to a bunch of turnovers that didn't need to happen, and the quicker NBA players will feast on that if he doesn't fix it.
He's probably got some type of pro game ahead of him if he wants. I think an extra year here would help his NBA chances.
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Post by jefframp on May 12, 2019 8:27:25 GMT -8
If Tres stays another year he can work on a Master's Degree which is nice to have if he ever wants to go into coaching.
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Post by biggieorange on May 16, 2019 7:34:04 GMT -8
Well, I am personally not much for the Pro Game. But, watching the trailblazers has raised a new level of appreciation for certain parts of the game. Seeing Denver play defense, pretty much changes my uneducated opinion that NO DEFENSE is played in the NBA. Tres seems to be good when he can use his height and shoulders on the Defensive side, but the NBA with the uber quick, tall and athletic 1-5's are going to take away his D! strengths. He is not great at the three ball - like many of these guys are NOW. Maybe, that can be developed. I will say he is a little less than average. Where he is good is around the basket and when he drives the lane, however, he will have a hard time with the NBA Centers and the teams that move to the ball. He has a difficult time keeping his feet - very noticeable last year, although he may have been nursing a high sprain, and he dribbles out of control, at times, These are things that an athlete like Tres can work on, and fix. I would love to see him with one more year at D1 - then go. Why ? Not being selfish - just wanting him to succeed when he does get there. I think of Jared Cunningham and the idea that he left early ( too early ), went in the 1st round, number 24 pick - never really had an NBA career, and is now playing in Italy. I guess you can make some money there too - but , is that what Tres wants to do ? I hate this "no defense in the NBA" troupe. Listen the players are so GD athletically gifted that even guys that are good college defenders are near liabilities defensively in the NBA. Only way to change that is to go back to the 1990's style hand checking, which I am not a fan of in the least. NBA players are just to athletically talented and the average NBA starter is too talented skill wise to be guarded. Everyone can shoot, the best offensive players can consistently make shots while always adjusting their shot pockets, -their is very little defenders can do, bar just grabbing and holding someone and the League stopped allowing that quite some time ago as no on wanted to watch the Pistons play. After the rule change in 2004, for example Steve Nash went from and All Star to a MVP player. No way that happens with hand checking allowed, it isn't like the dudes guarding Nash suddenly slowed down or he got quicker, they just couldn't hold on to him anymore to slow him down, and he wasn't a great NBA athlete so you would expect NBA point guards to be able to stay in front of him. It wasn't the case. Giving Nash that little edge allowed a skinny non jumping guard to dominate the NBA. NBA players and coaches aren't dumb or lazy about defense, if they had a good technique to stop a guy like Nash or skinny Steph Curry they would use it.
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Post by ochobeavo on May 16, 2019 7:41:59 GMT -8
Well, I am personally not much for the Pro Game. But, watching the trailblazers has raised a new level of appreciation for certain parts of the game. Seeing Denver play defense, pretty much changes my uneducated opinion that NO DEFENSE is played in the NBA. Tres seems to be good when he can use his height and shoulders on the Defensive side, but the NBA with the uber quick, tall and athletic 1-5's are going to take away his D! strengths. He is not great at the three ball - like many of these guys are NOW. Maybe, that can be developed. I will say he is a little less than average. Where he is good is around the basket and when he drives the lane, however, he will have a hard time with the NBA Centers and the teams that move to the ball. He has a difficult time keeping his feet - very noticeable last year, although he may have been nursing a high sprain, and he dribbles out of control, at times, These are things that an athlete like Tres can work on, and fix. I would love to see him with one more year at D1 - then go. Why ? Not being selfish - just wanting him to succeed when he does get there. I think of Jared Cunningham and the idea that he left early ( too early ), went in the 1st round, number 24 pick - never really had an NBA career, and is now playing in Italy. I guess you can make some money there too - but , is that what Tres wants to do ? I hate this "no defense in the NBA" troupe.Yep. Just watching Blazers/Nuggets- Nuggets perimeter guys Harris and Craig played tough physical defense the entire series, Harkless is typically strong, Zach Collins had some excellent moments providing interior help on defense. Klay and Draymond both had great games defensively in Game 1 the other night. Klay is a totally underrated defender IMO. No one is going to get this far in the playoffs without playing both ends...
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Post by Judge Smails on May 16, 2019 9:33:07 GMT -8
Well, I am personally not much for the Pro Game. But, watching the trailblazers has raised a new level of appreciation for certain parts of the game. Seeing Denver play defense, pretty much changes my uneducated opinion that NO DEFENSE is played in the NBA. Tres seems to be good when he can use his height and shoulders on the Defensive side, but the NBA with the uber quick, tall and athletic 1-5's are going to take away his D! strengths. He is not great at the three ball - like many of these guys are NOW. Maybe, that can be developed. I will say he is a little less than average. Where he is good is around the basket and when he drives the lane, however, he will have a hard time with the NBA Centers and the teams that move to the ball. He has a difficult time keeping his feet - very noticeable last year, although he may have been nursing a high sprain, and he dribbles out of control, at times, These are things that an athlete like Tres can work on, and fix. I would love to see him with one more year at D1 - then go. Why ? Not being selfish - just wanting him to succeed when he does get there. I think of Jared Cunningham and the idea that he left early ( too early ), went in the 1st round, number 24 pick - never really had an NBA career, and is now playing in Italy. I guess you can make some money there too - but , is that what Tres wants to do ? I hate this "no defense in the NBA" troupe. Listen the players are so GD athletically gifted that even guys that are good college defenders are near liabilities defensively in the NBA. Only way to change that is to go back to the 1990's style hand checking, which I am not a fan of in the least. NBA players are just to athletically talented and the average NBA starter is too talented skill wise to be guarded. Everyone can shoot, the best offensive players can consistently make shots while always adjusting their shot pockets, -their is very little defenders can do, bar just grabbing and holding someone and the League stopped allowing that quite some time ago as no on wanted to watch the Pistons play. After the rule change in 2004, for example Steve Nash went from and All Star to a MVP player. No way that happens with hand checking allowed, it isn't like the dudes guarding Nash suddenly slowed down or he got quicker, they just couldn't hold on to him anymore to slow him down, and he wasn't a great NBA athlete so you would expect NBA point guards to be able to stay in front of him. It wasn't the case. Giving Nash that little edge allowed a skinny non jumping guard to dominate the NBA. NBA players and coaches aren't dumb or lazy about defense, if they had a good technique to stop a guy like Nash or skinny Steph Curry they would use it. It's not just the hand checking that has made the defense harder. It's also the fact they that never call a carry or travelling on anyone. When someone can palm the ball, hesitate and then blow by you, it's tough to guard. Also, some of these Euro steps are 3-4 steps and are pretty much un-guardable.
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Post by biggieorange on May 20, 2019 7:26:01 GMT -8
I hate this "no defense in the NBA" troupe. Listen the players are so GD athletically gifted that even guys that are good college defenders are near liabilities defensively in the NBA. Only way to change that is to go back to the 1990's style hand checking, which I am not a fan of in the least. NBA players are just to athletically talented and the average NBA starter is too talented skill wise to be guarded. Everyone can shoot, the best offensive players can consistently make shots while always adjusting their shot pockets, -their is very little defenders can do, bar just grabbing and holding someone and the League stopped allowing that quite some time ago as no on wanted to watch the Pistons play. After the rule change in 2004, for example Steve Nash went from and All Star to a MVP player. No way that happens with hand checking allowed, it isn't like the dudes guarding Nash suddenly slowed down or he got quicker, they just couldn't hold on to him anymore to slow him down, and he wasn't a great NBA athlete so you would expect NBA point guards to be able to stay in front of him. It wasn't the case. Giving Nash that little edge allowed a skinny non jumping guard to dominate the NBA. NBA players and coaches aren't dumb or lazy about defense, if they had a good technique to stop a guy like Nash or skinny Steph Curry they would use it. It's not just the hand checking that has made the defense harder. It's also the fact they that never call a carry or travelling on anyone. When someone can palm the ball, hesitate and then blow by you, it's tough to guard. Also, some of these Euro steps are 3-4 steps and are pretty much un-guardable. I don't disagree, we have to remember the NBA is entertainment first. Very few people wanna see a bunch of traveling calls. I'm no different the coaches have made the NCAA mostly unwatchable. Too many timeouts too many set plays. I get why, but it isn't entertaining to watch. I wish they would stop allowing timeouts the last 2 minutes of the fourth quarter. Just let the players figure it out.
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Post by TheGlove on May 24, 2019 16:45:05 GMT -8
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Post by beaverbeliever on May 24, 2019 16:47:20 GMT -8
Thank goodness - legitimate hope for success with him on the floor.
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Post by bennysdentist on May 24, 2019 17:08:30 GMT -8
We better be dancing next year. The focus must be making and advancing in the tourney. Great chance to move the program forward!
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Post by TheGlove on May 24, 2019 17:40:02 GMT -8
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Post by bdudbeaver on May 24, 2019 17:51:20 GMT -8
Hurray. Bottom line, our team will be better with him than without him.
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Post by TheGlove on May 24, 2019 18:47:59 GMT -8
The move isn’t binding, as the OSU junior forward has until May 29 to remove his name from the draft and return to Oregon State. Tinkle hasn’t decided as to whether he’ll hire an agent, but recent rule changes allow a player to hire a certified agent to guide them through the draft process. Should the player return to school, he must sever ties with the agent. Wayne Tinkle said his son is putting his name in the draft to gather feedback regarding interest in the 6-foot-8 forward. He wont go. I was right.
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