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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 13, 2019 15:52:53 GMT -8
I think his point is you haven't proven you can actually list 15 who were better, you were close at 14... LOL... well the list would be longer than 15 without even finding rosters and helping my memory... White, Ortiz, Crandall, Gambee, Sitton, Jarvis...
Ok... there's 20 not counting Tanner, Berry, Barry, Cunningham and Cunningham, Bartolome, Beck, Freeman, Rocha... I'm sure I'm skipping some others...
I said 15 better players, not just any 15 players. Half of the players you mentioned aren’t even close to top 15.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 13, 2019 16:47:19 GMT -8
LOL... well the list would be longer than 15 without even finding rosters and helping my memory... White, Ortiz, Crandall, Gambee, Sitton, Jarvis...
Ok... there's 20 not counting Tanner, Berry, Barry, Cunningham and Cunningham, Bartolome, Beck, Freeman, Rocha... I'm sure I'm skipping some others...
I said 15 better players, not just any 15 players. Half of the players you mentioned aren’t even close to top 15. Like I said... "clueless"
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 13, 2019 17:33:21 GMT -8
I said 15 better players, not just any 15 players. Half of the players you mentioned aren’t even close to top 15. Like I said... "clueless" Nope. Just more knowledgeable than you could ever be. And, I even know how to spell baseball.
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Post by baseba1111 on Apr 13, 2019 18:15:12 GMT -8
Like I said... "clueless" Nope. Just more knowledgeable than you could ever be. And, I even know how to spell baseball. Just like your name sake... betting the half you mention you have no clue and had to look up. Because if you did you'd know Tres is not near in their class. 🤔🤯🍻
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 13, 2019 18:32:03 GMT -8
Nope. Just more knowledgeable than you could ever be. And, I even know how to spell baseball. Just like your name sake... betting the half you mention you have no clue and had to look up. Because if you did you'd know Tres is not near in their class. 🤔🤯🍻 Nope. I’m familiar with all the guys you mentioned and I still disagree. And, if you’re old enough to have watched Red Rocha play at OSU, you must be posting from the grave.
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Post by beaverinohio on Apr 15, 2019 12:40:27 GMT -8
Not sure who are just testing the waters and who really plan to go, but besides Tres the latest list I've seen shows the following Pac-12 players have declared thus far
Bol Bol Louis King Payton Pritchard Kenny Wooten Lugentz Dort CJ Elleby Jaylen Hands Kris Wilkes Jaylen Nowell KZ Okpala Kevin Porter
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Post by nabeav on Apr 16, 2019 7:49:19 GMT -8
LOL... well the list would be longer than 15 without even finding rosters and helping my memory... White, Ortiz, Crandall, Gambee, Sitton, Jarvis...
Ok... there's 20 not counting Tanner, Berry, Barry, Cunningham and Cunningham, Bartolome, Beck, Freeman, Rocha... I'm sure I'm skipping some others...
I said 15 better players, not just any 15 players. Half of the players you mentioned aren’t even close to top 15. He said Dino Tanner - a career 38.5% shooter. Carson Cunningham played one freaking season where we went 3-15 in conference. I don't even know who Berry is. I had to look at the media guide. There are two Berrys listed as letterwinners. Troy Berry played all of 10 games for OSU and made one shot in his career. Rick Berry played one season at Oregon State and averaged 3.8 points and 1.3 rebounds. He would go on to transfer to San Jose St where he averaged 20.8 ppg over the next 3 seasons. Great SJSU player, might put him in the top 10 over there. I'm not saying Tres is definitively one of the top 5 players. But he will in all likelihood be a 3 time all-pac 12 performer (again if he returns). If he doesn't come back for his senior year, there are a host of guys I'd place ahead of him....but I'm saying he's got a chance to be one of the best to ever play here. I think playing 4 years matters. It's why I put Simonton ahead of Steven Jackson.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 9:47:01 GMT -8
I said 15 better players, not just any 15 players. Half of the players you mentioned aren’t even close to top 15. He said Dino Tanner - a career 38.5% shooter. Carson Cunningham played one freaking season where we went 3-15 in conference. I don't even know who Berry is. I had to look at the media guide. There are two Berrys listed as letterwinners. Troy Berry played all of 10 games for OSU and made one shot in his career. Rick Berry played one season at Oregon State and averaged 3.8 points and 1.3 rebounds. He would go on to transfer to San Jose St where he averaged 20.8 ppg over the next 3 seasons. Great SJSU player, might put him in the top 10 over there. I'm not saying Tres is definitively one of the top 5 players. But he will in all likelihood be a 3 time all-pac 12 performer (again if he returns). If he doesn't come back for his senior year, there are a host of guys I'd place ahead of him....but I'm saying he's got a chance to be one of the best to ever play here. I think playing 4 years matters. It's why I put Simonton ahead of Steven Jackson. Agree. Agree. Agree. Tres is better than those guys. Beastball011 you need to come up with 19 guys better than that to keep Tres out of top 20 beavs all time.
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Post by tnarg33 on Apr 16, 2019 10:06:00 GMT -8
I said 15 better players, not just any 15 players. Half of the players you mentioned aren’t even close to top 15. He said Dino Tanner - a career 38.5% shooter. Carson Cunningham played one freaking season where we went 3-15 in conference. I don't even know who Berry is. I had to look at the media guide. There are two Berrys listed as letterwinners. Troy Berry played all of 10 games for OSU and made one shot in his career. Rick Berry played one season at Oregon State and averaged 3.8 points and 1.3 rebounds. He would go on to transfer to San Jose St where he averaged 20.8 ppg over the next 3 seasons. Great SJSU player, might put him in the top 10 over there. I'm not saying Tres is definitively one of the top 5 players. But he will in all likelihood be a 3 time all-pac 12 performer (again if he returns). If he doesn't come back for his senior year, there are a host of guys I'd place ahead of him....but I'm saying he's got a chance to be one of the best to ever play here. I think playing 4 years matters. It's why I put Simonton ahead of Steven Jackson. The opinions of people around the conference who watched the guys play matters. All Pac-12/10 is something that isn't purely stats driven and isn't selected by OSU fans. Tres already has 2 1st team selections and would probably get a 3rd if he comes back. Some of these bums being mentioned didn't even start for the Beavers some years let alone make an all conference team. If you want to talk about best Beavers of all time all conference selections matter a lot more than the "eye ball test" of the self proclaimed most knowledgeable Beaver fan in the land (even if he hasn't specifically said those exact words).
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Post by nabeav on Apr 16, 2019 10:17:08 GMT -8
Gary Payton Mel Counts Steve Johnson AC Green ---------- Insert one of a dozen guys here. Tres is one of them.
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Post by tnarg33 on Apr 16, 2019 10:29:13 GMT -8
What about the Ricci's, Lucas's, Kevin Field's, Von Backstrom's, DeWitz's, Schaaaaaaaaftenaaaaaars'?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 16, 2019 11:13:26 GMT -8
He said Dino Tanner - a career 38.5% shooter. Carson Cunningham played one freaking season where we went 3-15 in conference. I don't even know who Berry is. I had to look at the media guide. There are two Berrys listed as letterwinners. Troy Berry played all of 10 games for OSU and made one shot in his career. Rick Berry played one season at Oregon State and averaged 3.8 points and 1.3 rebounds. He would go on to transfer to San Jose St where he averaged 20.8 ppg over the next 3 seasons. Great SJSU player, might put him in the top 10 over there. I'm not saying Tres is definitively one of the top 5 players. But he will in all likelihood be a 3 time all-pac 12 performer (again if he returns). If he doesn't come back for his senior year, there are a host of guys I'd place ahead of him....but I'm saying he's got a chance to be one of the best to ever play here. I think playing 4 years matters. It's why I put Simonton ahead of Steven Jackson. The opinions of people around the conference who watched the guys play matters. All Pac-12/10 is something that isn't purely stats driven and isn't selected by OSU fans. Tres already has 2 1st team selections and would probably get a 3rd if he comes back. Some of these bums being mentioned didn't even start for the Beavers some years let alone make an all conference team. If you want to talk about best Beavers of all time all conference selections matter a lot more than the "eye ball test" of the self proclaimed most knowledgeable Beaver fan in the land (even if he hasn't specifically said those exact words). Good point. I'm wondering how many two and three time first team all-league players OSU has had in the last 60-70 years. Are there 12-15?
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Post by ochobeavo on Apr 16, 2019 11:37:43 GMT -8
The opinions of people around the conference who watched the guys play matters. All Pac-12/10 is something that isn't purely stats driven and isn't selected by OSU fans. Tres already has 2 1st team selections and would probably get a 3rd if he comes back. Some of these bums being mentioned didn't even start for the Beavers some years let alone make an all conference team. If you want to talk about best Beavers of all time all conference selections matter a lot more than the "eye ball test" of the self proclaimed most knowledgeable Beaver fan in the land (even if he hasn't specifically said those exact words). Good point. I'm wondering how many two and three time first team all-league players OSU has had in the last 60-70 years. Are there 12-15? I'm sure Wilky already has this in a powerpoint slide, but the media guide lists OSU All Pac-10/12 players from 1978 to present. Multiple winners: 3 Time All Pac-10/12 Steve Johnson Charlie Sitton AC Green Gary Payton 2 Time All Pac-10/12 Ray Blume Jose Ortiz Scott Haskins David Lucas Jared Cunningham Gary Payton II
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 16, 2019 11:39:32 GMT -8
What about the Ricci's, Lucas's, Kevin Field's, Von Backstrom's, DeWitz's, Schaaaaaaaaftenaaaaaars'? Angelo Sock-a-rock-us is still playing professionally in Greece.
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Post by tnarg33 on Apr 16, 2019 12:27:53 GMT -8
What about the Ricci's, Lucas's, Kevin Field's, Von Backstrom's, DeWitz's, Schaaaaaaaaftenaaaaaars'? Angelo Sock-a-rock-us is still playing professionally in Greece. One of the best to ever do it. Easily top 20 of all time.
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