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Post by 76spirit on Apr 1, 2019 17:15:19 GMT -8
I’ve been to or watched quite a few of the men’s and women’s basketball games in the last few years. It’s extremely impressive what Rueck in particular has done with the women’s program. I felt Tinkle had a good start during his tenure. My question relates to the amount of plays called from the sidelines and the controlling nature of the coaches in their games. Why the need? Do players enjoy such micromanaging? Does it inhibit players dynamism? Is it a distraction for the players? I know it is for me. So, just wondering what others think.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 6:40:31 GMT -8
I’ve been to or watched quite a few of the men’s and women’s basketball games in the last few years. It’s extremely impressive what Rueck in particular has done with the women’s program. I felt Tinkle had a good start during his tenure. My question relates to the amount of plays called from the sidelines and the controlling nature of the coaches in their games. Why the need? Do players enjoy such micromanaging? Does it inhibit players dynamism? Is it a distraction for the players? I know it is for me. So, just wondering what others think. Men's team has plays?
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 2, 2019 6:54:33 GMT -8
I’ve been to or watched quite a few of the men’s and women’s basketball games in the last few years. It’s extremely impressive what Rueck in particular has done with the women’s program. I felt Tinkle had a good start during his tenure. My question relates to the amount of plays called from the sidelines and the controlling nature of the coaches in their games. Why the need? Do players enjoy such micromanaging? Does it inhibit players dynamism? Is it a distraction for the players? I know it is for me. So, just wondering what others think. Men's team has plays? [br Yep, you should pay attention and you’d notice that 😉
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 6:58:27 GMT -8
[br Yep, you should pay attention and you’d notice that 😉 too drunk all the time to notice. oh wait thats you.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 2, 2019 7:01:32 GMT -8
[br Yep, you should pay attention and you’d notice that 😉 too drunk all the time to notice. oh wait thats you. Nope... try again
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 7:21:38 GMT -8
too drunk all the time to notice. oh wait thats you. Nope... try again honestly smells im going to give you a chance to answer the OP instead of being a sassy pants. Do you think too much micromanaging going on? I don't see it.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 2, 2019 7:31:18 GMT -8
honestly smells im going to give you a chance to answer the OP instead of being a sassy pants. Do you think too much micromanaging going on? I don't see it. Well, I would argue that Scott is more of a micromanager than WT is. WT tends to call out more on the defensive end. WT does run offensive plays, but it's definitely not the most sophisticated offense that I've seen. It's a lot of pick & roll and weave action up top. SR is calling out plays on every possession, which has been very effective for him, but I think it has made it more difficult for Destiny to adjust to. She wants to push the ball and improvise a lot more than SR wants to. I would probably side with SR on this strategy as I don't think that we have the athletes outside of Destiny to get into a run & gun type game for a full 40 minutes. SR has been very selective on when he lets the team run.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 2, 2019 8:00:25 GMT -8
I’ve been to or watched quite a few of the men’s and women’s basketball games in the last few years. It’s extremely impressive what Rueck in particular has done with the women’s program. I felt Tinkle had a good start during his tenure. My question relates to the amount of plays called from the sidelines and the controlling nature of the coaches in their games. Why the need? Do players enjoy such micromanaging? Does it inhibit players dynamism? Is it a distraction for the players? I know it is for me. So, just wondering what others think. Men's team has plays? Yeah, but only one. You pass the ball around the perimeter until you work yourself further away from the basket as the shot clock winds down. Then at the last possible second, whoever has the ball chucks up an off balance three as they are closely guarded. It’s called “Hot Potato”.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2019 8:03:34 GMT -8
honestly smells im going to give you a chance to answer the OP instead of being a sassy pants. Do you think too much micromanaging going on? I don't see it. Well, I would argue that Scott is more of a micromanager than WT is. WT tends to call out more on the defensive end. WT does run offensive plays, but it's definitely not the most sophisticated offense that I've seen. It's a lot of pick & roll and weave action up top. SR is calling out plays on every possession, which has been very effective for him, but I think it has made it more difficult for Destiny to adjust to. She wants to push the ball and improvise a lot more than SR wants to. I would probably side with SR on this strategy as I don't think that we have the athletes outside of Destiny to get into a run & gun type game for a full 40 minutes. SR has been very selective on when he lets the team run. Women's college basketball, from what i have observed, is it's own thing. It might borrow from the men's game here and there but to compare coaching styles between them is not just fruitless, it's apples and oranges see what i did there.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 2, 2019 8:11:32 GMT -8
Well, I would argue that Scott is more of a micromanager than WT is. WT tends to call out more on the defensive end. WT does run offensive plays, but it's definitely not the most sophisticated offense that I've seen. It's a lot of pick & roll and weave action up top. SR is calling out plays on every possession, which has been very effective for him, but I think it has made it more difficult for Destiny to adjust to. She wants to push the ball and improvise a lot more than SR wants to. I would probably side with SR on this strategy as I don't think that we have the athletes outside of Destiny to get into a run & gun type game for a full 40 minutes. SR has been very selective on when he lets the team run. Women's college basketball, from what i have observed, is it's own thing. It might borrow from the men's game here and there but to compare coaching styles between them is not just fruitless, it's apples and oranges see what i did there. I think you mean bananas and oranges.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Apr 2, 2019 9:17:52 GMT -8
Yeah, but only one. You pass the ball around the perimeter until you work yourself further away from the basket as the shot clock winds down. Then at the last possible second, whoever has the ball chucks up an off balance three as they are closely guarded. It’s called “Hot Potato”. That perfectly describes what I see! And they run it to perfection in crunch time.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 2, 2019 9:30:59 GMT -8
Realistically, I saw more actual coordinated offensive plays this year than last, and more last year than the three previous years combined.
The much of the first two years it was pass pass dribble, then whoever had the ball at 7 seconds left on the clock, or if Jarmal got before then, it was one on 5 time. The last half of year two Jarmal actually had assists and I saw some barely recognizable offense. Year three was a mess, but since then there has been occasional structure to the offense.
Tres does force it to the hoop a lot, but I think that's by design. Tres ranked 8th in college basketball by forwards in assists. And I'd bet he ranks very highly in fouls drawn. Seems to me OSU gets a score or a defensive foul more often than not when he drives.
I'm looking forward to next year because I think between Antoine and the new recruit we will have an actual point guard most og the game for the first time in a few years.
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Post by beaverstever on Apr 2, 2019 10:02:48 GMT -8
Focusing on the women, I don't see CR going away from his style next year, and I don't think he should. I see next year's team playing much more like what he wants to do, and that's what Baylor is doing this year.
Specifically:
- High post that can pass over the top to the low block, can hit the FT-line jumper, and can turn and hit a spot-up shooter. Aquino looks to be perfect for that role, and I can see Kennedy there as well. Kennedy would add more of a threat to turn and go to the basket as well, or set a high screen and slip out to the 3-point line.
- I see Morris and Mitrovic running a low-block post-up where they get the ball in position or when penetration forces defensive rotations. We saw flashes of this at times with Grymek, but good defensive rotation took this away, and going over the top with her was too often a turnover. I also see mixing this up with instead of a 5 low, clearing that out for Taya, Pivec and Slocum penetrating, and looking for the high-post flashing to the basket -- over top though given the size we'd have there.
- I also see a return to more open perimeter shooting. Teams were able to run us off the 3 point line without a consistent inside scoring threat, and it seemed to affect us even when we did get good looks. Aleah went from an in-rhrythm deadly threat too an off-balanced out of shorts shooter when teams focused on her, and I see her back to picking her spots better again next year. I also see Kat bringing a more consistent and stable outside threat.
- I see Pivec continuing her role as the go-to player to get a shot when the clock is running down. I expect the bigs next year will help her more in terms of clearing out the lane for her earlier, as well as presenting themselves better for kick-outs if Pivec can't get to the basket.
I do worry about how Destiny fits into the plan though, as she's a rhythm player, and the set offenses doesn't work well for her. I see us looking for more opportunities to push with her, as well as moving the ball quicker so she can do here magic when the defense is shifting and she can go against the grain. But I do worry that her 3 pt shooting isn't the kind that will necessarily improve significantly with more open looks, but rather opportunities where she's in rhythm. I also really hope the team figures out how to take advantage of her ability to penetrate anytime she wants, in getting into position for a pass and open look off of that; Destiny can do that all day, but her teammates often work against hear instead of taking advantage of the collapsing defense.
I'm sure Rueck is going to be analyzing pretty closely what happened in the 2nd half of the season and what teams did to move us out of our peak performance earlier in the season, and what might have been self-inflicted (even just losing confidence).
I do like that we ended the season playing probably the best defense we played all year against a very good team, and would have been right there with them just shooting poorly instead of very poorly. Pivec learned to grind anyway, but other than Destiny at times, the rest of the team looked lost (and not just against UL). I expect next years team will be much more cleaver about finding ways to turn things in their favor, particularly Taya, Destiny and Pivec.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 2, 2019 10:48:32 GMT -8
IMO, the key for next year will be the presence in the key - that will created a new dynamic; not sure we are going to see anyone like Marie again, but Washington and Corosdale at power forward to go with AA in the middle should open up the top of any zone for the guards. That and hopefully a return to hitting open j's.
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