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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 29, 2019 14:11:13 GMT -8
Gilbert owned a construction company. He was not an auto dealer sorry, that error I will fess up to, but he was core to getting a lot of talent into UCLA for many years. Yeah, that has always tainted Wooden's legacy in my mind. He seemed to be one of those that just didn't want to know if anything under the table was going on while he was there. |
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Post by beaveragain on Mar 29, 2019 15:04:51 GMT -8
Gilbert gave money, toys etc to the players. There is no reason to think that he had anything to do with recruiting other than the Liar saying that Wooden told him so. Gilbert made the players happy after they came to UCLA. He did not get them there. Wooden and winning got them there.
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 30, 2019 3:47:47 GMT -8
Yes, Michael Meek won one or more state championships at Southridge before replacing Rueck at George Fox. He went 230-35 at George Fox and went to 2 D-3 championship games. This makes three GF coaches in a row to go the D-1. Sherri Murrell, who preceded Rueck, went to Pacific, then Washington State, where she was not successful. Who is their AD? |
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 30, 2019 8:23:09 GMT -8
One other thing about UCLA back then. If you look up the yearbook profile of just about everybody who played there for decades, you will see that they majored in History. If it wasn't actually everybody, it was a number that approaches everybody.
What does that mean? Is it a sign they were North Carolina before North Carolina was North Carolina? Or was it coincidence? I don't have an answer, but if I were writing a book about a homicide detective who drinks 68 cups of coffee per day (half of them cold, but he drinks it anyway) and hasn't spoken a civil word to anybody in a year that starts with the number 2, I would write, " (fill in name of detective here) didn't believe in coincidences."
Incidentally, the percentage of fictional detectives who drink 68 cups of coffee per day, speak no civil words, and don't believe in coincidences is almost exactly equal to the number of UCLA men's basketball players majoring in History.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2019 9:41:51 GMT -8
One other thing about UCLA back then. If you look up the yearbook profile of just about everybody who played there for decades, you will see that they majored in History. If it wasn't actually everybody, it was a number that approaches everybody. What does that mean? Is it a sign they were North Carolina before North Carolina was North Carolina? Or was it coincidence? I don't have an answer, but if I were writing a book about a homicide detective who drinks 68 cups of coffee per day (half of them cold, but he drinks it anyway) and hasn't spoken a civil word to anybody in a year that starts with the number 2, I would write, " (fill in name of detective here) didn't believe in coincidences." Incidentally, the percentage of fictional detectives who drink 68 cups of coffee per day, speak no civil words, and don't believe in coincidences is almost exactly equal to the number of UCLA men's basketball players majoring in History. I don’t know. History sounds like a perfectly respectable undergraduate major to me. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 30, 2019 15:12:49 GMT -8
That's interesting because Wooden and UCLA was never found guilty of anything during his coaching career. You should have told someone!! Oh, I know, the Auto mechanic bribed the NCAA to look the other way. You should read Seth Davis's very well-sourced and fairly objective bio on Wooden. He details the connection to Sam Gilbert quite well and his research has determined there is essentially no question the higher ups in the NCAA told the investigators to back off and shut it down when they started seriously digging around almost certain violations committed under Wooden. Tark recruited many of the same players, knew that many came from modest circumstances but still managed to live in upscale apartments, have very nice clothes and some nice wheels when they chose UCLA over Long Beach State, where guys like Ed Ratliff were lucky to get a team windbreaker. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2019 15:38:20 GMT -8
That's interesting because Wooden and UCLA was never found guilty of anything during his coaching career. You should have told someone!! Oh, I know, the Auto mechanic bribed the NCAA to look the other way. You should read Seth Davis's very well-sourced and fairly objective bio on Wooden. He details the connection to Sam Gilbert quite well and his research has determined there is essentially no question the higher ups in the NCAA told the investigators to back off and shut it down when they started seriously digging around almost certain violations committed under Wooden. Tark recruited many of the same players, knew that many came from modest circumstances but still managed to live in upscale apartments, have very nice clothes and some nice wheels when they chose UCLA over Long Beach State, where guys like Ed Ratliff were lucky to get a team windbreaker. Poor Tark. I'm sure their choice had nothing to do with UCLA being UCLA and Long Beach State being Long Beach State. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 30, 2019 15:41:44 GMT -8
That's interesting because Wooden and UCLA was never found guilty of anything during his coaching career. You should have told someone!! Oh, I know, the Auto mechanic bribed the NCAA to look the other way. You should read Seth Davis's very well-sourced and fairly objective bio on Wooden. He details the connection to Sam Gilbert quite well and his research has determined there is essentially no question the higher ups in the NCAA told the investigators to back off and shut it down when they started seriously digging around almost certain violations committed under Wooden. Tark recruited many of the same players, knew that many came from modest circumstances but still managed to live in upscale apartments, have very nice clothes and some nice wheels when they chose UCLA over Long Beach State, where guys like Ed Ratliff were lucky to get a team windbreaker. Tarkanian was recruiting from the California Penal League. I don’t exactly feel sorry for him |
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Post by bvrbooster on Mar 30, 2019 16:49:14 GMT -8
History is, indeed, a perfectly respectable major, which is why 97% of the student body at UCLA majored in it over a 20 year period. Oh, wait! Did I say student body? Sorry, that's ridiculous to think 194,000 of 200,000 students would choose the same major.
And it's just one of those oddities that 97 of 100 basketball players did.
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2019 16:53:42 GMT -8
History is, indeed, a perfectly respectable major, which is why 97% of the student body at UCLA majored in it over a 20 year period. Oh, wait! Did I say student body? Sorry, that's ridiculous to think 194,000 of 200,000 students would choose the same major. And it's just one of those oddities that 97 of 100 basketball players did. I’ll take your word for it. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 30, 2019 17:04:08 GMT -8
You should read Seth Davis's very well-sourced and fairly objective bio on Wooden. He details the connection to Sam Gilbert quite well and his research has determined there is essentially no question the higher ups in the NCAA told the investigators to back off and shut it down when they started seriously digging around almost certain violations committed under Wooden. Tark recruited many of the same players, knew that many came from modest circumstances but still managed to live in upscale apartments, have very nice clothes and some nice wheels when they chose UCLA over Long Beach State, where guys like Ed Ratliff were lucky to get a team windbreaker. Poor Tark. I'm sure their choice had nothing to do with UCLA being UCLA and Long Beach State being Long Beach State. Obviously you are young and have no idea how good LBSU was under Tark. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 30, 2019 17:21:59 GMT -8
Poor Tark. I'm sure their choice had nothing to do with UCLA being UCLA and Long Beach State being Long Beach State. Obviously you are young and have no idea how good LBSU was under Tark. I know LBSU was good under Tark. I also know they played in a tiny gym on a commuter campus that paled in comparison to UCLA’s Pauley Pavilion and impressive Westwood campus. UCLA had already won 3 NCAA championships by the time Tark started coaching at LBSU. That’s what I meant by UCLA being UCLA. |
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