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Post by Werebeaver on Mar 25, 2019 12:27:39 GMT -8
Any names? Needs to be someone energetic and dynamic. That usually equates to someone younger but not necessarily.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 25, 2019 12:44:59 GMT -8
Any names? Needs to be someone energetic and dynamic. That usually equates to someone younger but not necessarily. I've said it before, but if we find ourselves looking for a coach, I like the guy off of I-205 who won another JC National Championship this past season. He already knows the northwest, has been hitting California and Arizona hard the past few seasons.. even has a tough kid coming in from Pennsylvania next year. I like the guy at Fresno too. Wish he was still up here. He's going to build a powerhouse. |
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Post by bhowren on Mar 25, 2019 15:52:58 GMT -8
Les Gutches wouldn't be bad if he could be talked into it. I do agree with the post above too.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Mar 25, 2019 16:38:36 GMT -8
Steiner would be my first choice. He may not take it though. Gutches would be an experiment. It could be marvelous, and I think he could put together a real nice room.
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 26, 2019 1:13:05 GMT -8
I also wonder if we can get someone from the B1G . Maybe someone is bored want a new challenge.
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Post by osbrawler on Mar 26, 2019 6:08:53 GMT -8
Les Gutches wouldn't be bad if he could be talked into it. I do agree with the post above too. Been there, done that. Les was head assistant under the Wells years where the program was faltering. Wells retired and Bobby D. went another direction with the hire. Les applied for a few other jobs after that, but wasn't chosen. I believe he is still doing his gig with USA Wrestling.
If and that is a big IF, a new coaching search is needed. Go after the biggest name you can lure. Dake, Taylor, Pritzlaff (current Rutgers assistant), yes Steiner should be allowed a chance (if he'd take it), any coach with name appeal that can get into and win the living room recruiting battles. Also one who'd bring solid assistants and build a solid regional training club with post grads that will compete at the National and Olympic level. Don't forget fundraising, that is all part of the mix too.
All that said, I don't see it happening this season. Be surprised if it does.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 26, 2019 6:46:17 GMT -8
Les Gutches wouldn't be bad if he could be talked into it. I do agree with the post above too. Been there, done that. Les was head assistant under the Wells years where the program was faltering. Wells retired and Bobby D. went another direction with the hire. Les applied for a few other jobs after that, but wasn't chosen. I believe he is still doing his gig with USA Wrestling.
If and that is a big IF, a new coaching search is needed. Go after the biggest name you can lure. Dake, Taylor, Pritzlaff (current Rutgers assistant), yes Steiner should be allowed a chance (if he'd take it), any coach with name appeal that can get into and win the living room recruiting battles. Also one who'd bring solid assistants and build a solid regional training club with post grads that will compete at the National and Olympic level. Don't forget fundraising, that is all part of the mix too.
All that said, I don't see it happening this season. Be surprised if it does.
Yeah I agree. It kind of feels a lot like men's basketball to me. On paper or from afar things look pleasant: MBB- 1st Pac-12 winning record in X number of years. Wrestling- 2 AA, top 20 National finish. But once you peel back a layer, it doesn't look all that rosy in terms of next season, individual wrestler development, recruiting success, quality depth, etc. I think after next year is when the heat gets turned up. Like basketball, the Pac-3 is going to be much better. ASU and Stanford had some absolute hammers sit out this season and both are continuing to out recruit us. Stanford's Real Woods went 22-1 as a RS @ 141, finished 2nd in the Southern Scuffle. Shane Griffith at 165 went 25-2 with a 1pt loss to Cenzo Joseph of Penn St at the Scuffle. ASU will have Jacori Teemer at 149, Anthony Valencia is back, presumably Kordell Norfleet is back (won Pac-12 in 2018), Tanner Hall back for what feels like his 11th year at heavyweight... |
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Post by bhowren on Mar 26, 2019 8:50:23 GMT -8
How about Captain America- Randy Couture? Would he coach over acting? He has been a coach here before!?!? Would certainly catch the eye of recruits!
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Post by blastingsand on Mar 26, 2019 15:18:34 GMT -8
Been there, done that. Les was head assistant under the Wells years where the program was faltering. Wells retired and Bobby D. went another direction with the hire. Les applied for a few other jobs after that, but wasn't chosen. I believe he is still doing his gig with USA Wrestling.
If and that is a big IF, a new coaching search is needed. Go after the biggest name you can lure. Dake, Taylor, Pritzlaff (current Rutgers assistant), yes Steiner should be allowed a chance (if he'd take it), any coach with name appeal that can get into and win the living room recruiting battles. Also one who'd bring solid assistants and build a solid regional training club with post grads that will compete at the National and Olympic level. Don't forget fundraising, that is all part of the mix too.
All that said, I don't see it happening this season. Be surprised if it does.
Yeah I agree. It kind of feels a lot like men's basketball to me. On paper or from afar things look pleasant: MBB- 1st Pac-12 winning record in X number of years. Wrestling- 2 AA, top 20 National finish. But once you peel back a layer, it doesn't look all that rosy in terms of next season, individual wrestler development, recruiting success, quality depth, etc. I think after next year is when the heat gets turned up. Like basketball, the Pac-3 is going to be much better. ASU and Stanford had some absolute hammers sit out this season and both are continuing to out recruit us. Stanford's Real Woods went 22-1 as a RS @ 141, finished 2nd in the Southern Scuffle. Shane Griffith at 165 went 25-2 with a 1pt loss to Cenzo Joseph of Penn St at the Scuffle.
ASU will have Jacori Teemer at 149, Anthony Valencia is back, presumably Kordell Norfleet is back (won Pac-12 in 2018), Tanner Hall back for what feels like his 11th year at heavyweight...Well that's just devastating news  |
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Post by blackbug on Mar 26, 2019 16:05:58 GMT -8
I am in favor of giving Josh Roden a chance when Zalesky's time is over (I am thinking that time is fast approaching). I think Roden has the energy, character and charisma to get the job done. I am slightly concerned that I do not know of any college wrestling coaches that had success moving from the junior college ranks to D1. It is a rare place to find a D1 college coach. The other slight concern is Roden's wrestlers right now usually get dominated by D1 wrestlers. Now, the quality of athletes recruited is a different pool with junior colleges and the development is less when it is a 2 year school.
I am pretty luke warm with Steiner. I think he is very knowledgeable, a hard worker, and can teach one on one and small groups. He has had pretty good success with the new Fresno State program. I do not see the ceiling of his Fresno State program being as good as the ceiling with Zalesky at Oregon State. The biggest detractor for me with Steiner is I do not think he has the charisma and personality to lead a consistent top 10 D1 college wrestling program.
I would prefer our next coach have some connection to Oregon State or at least the West. I would like to see a coach who is vested in the area he is coaching at. The problem with this is the pickings are very slim. I am not sure there is a single coach/assistant coach that is considered a hot commodity that has many connections to the West. The only people that come to mind is Chris Pendleton, Mark Branch and Terry Steiner. Others that are coaching in the west seem to have very little connection to the west. There is hardly a single alum that is currently coaching in college.
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Post by BeaverG20 on Mar 26, 2019 16:25:49 GMT -8
I think if "we" do a national search, any coach worth his salt would recognize that Oregon may not be the BIGGEST pool of national talent, but there is still a lot of talent from here, and enough that in conjunction with the other western states, can create a really good program. California has a lot of talent, and Stanford and ASU are always going to get a lot of that talent. BUT, Boise St is gone, and between Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Some Cali mixed in there, the talent is here. It just needs to stay here, and be developed.
It's just so damn sad to see all the talent leave.
P.S. What is Shawn Finnicum up to? I've never had my ass handed to me so completely then when I wrestled him my junior year. He was a senior. I hadn't been T-falled since I was like, 8. I make the post in jest, but damn, he was pretty good.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 27, 2019 6:39:49 GMT -8
I think if "we" do a national search, any coach worth his salt would recognize that Oregon may not be the BIGGEST pool of national talent, but there is still a lot of talent from here, and enough that in conjunction with the other western states, can create a really good program. California has a lot of talent, and Stanford and ASU are always going to get a lot of that talent. BUT, Boise St is gone, and between Oregon, Washington, Idaho and Some Cali mixed in there, the talent is here. It just needs to stay here, and be developed. It's just so damn sad to see all the talent leave. P.S. What is Shawn Finnicum up to? I've never had my ass handed to me so completely then when I wrestled him my junior year. He was a senior. I hadn't been T-falled since I was like, 8. I make the post in jest, but damn, he was pretty good. Yeah we need to keep after those Washington kids as well -there's some solid talent there. To my knowledge we still hold a team camp in Washington every year too. I think in 2018 (Brandon Kaylor's class), they had 6-7 kids go D1. I know one ended up at Virginia, another at North Carolina and Steiner landed a pretty tough one at Fresno. This year's class not quite as strong. I believe I saw something not too long ago stating Finnicum is still in the Air Force. He went to Dayton, right? |
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Post by BeaverG20 on Mar 27, 2019 9:13:18 GMT -8
Dayton is correct.
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Post by beaverorange on Apr 8, 2019 12:39:38 GMT -8
Without a doubt Mark Perry would be my very first phone call.
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