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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 14, 2019 9:29:14 GMT -8
I'd be happy to see SI head to the pros....Found it impressive that 3 of the top 7 projected 1st round draft pics are from Pac-12.... With SI and Maite Corzola (sp) headed to the pros we'll get a much better look at Graves' coaching skills....Everyone knows he's a good coach, but we'll see if he deserves to be considered elite.... GO BEAVS !! So SR was a better coach when he had inferior talent? Graves is a dickhead, but he's a great coach and proved it before he got to Eugene. I can tell you from experience, coaching high level talent with attitude is far harder than the "normal" coaching job.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 14, 2019 9:53:54 GMT -8
We lost Gibson, Weisner, Hamblin, Wiese, Hanson and Gulich, all of whom received very high Pac-12 or national postseason honors; a very serviceable players in Hunter, Brown and Orum, an outstanding player for half a season via injury (Tudor) and great players for 3-5 weeks of the season (Weisner, Wiese) but have kept things going at a very high level.
I'm interested to see if Graves can continue this level of success after the departure of his stars. He has lost no one of consequence from the start of their current run in 2016-17. Lexi Bando was nothing more than a role player. Let's see what he does next year without SI and Corzola, two outstanding guards, and two years down the road, after Hebard leaves. He's also never had to adjust to the in-season loss of one of his star players for an extended period.
I don't know if he's a "dickhead" or not, I'll take your word for it. I do know he knowingly violated NCAA rules concerning off-season practices for years before finally getting caught and being put on probation, and that if you have kids you don't want to be sitting behind his bench unless you don't mind them hearing a steady stream of f-bombs and other curse words.
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Post by sewingbeaver on Mar 14, 2019 10:00:35 GMT -8
I was thinking the same thing. Which other guards on the Ducks roster have been getting play time helping them make an impact for them next year?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 14, 2019 10:02:23 GMT -8
I expect they will find a way to buy sign a grad transfer guard.
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Post by beavdowg on Mar 14, 2019 10:49:21 GMT -8
I don't have any inside knowledge on his "dick-headedness" but it seems the guy can recruit. My hunch is he'll recruit another couple top players to fill the void left by SI. Regardless, we'll still beat them!
Go Beavs!
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Post by rmancarl on Mar 14, 2019 12:24:08 GMT -8
As Beaver fans, we may not want to hear it, but even if the do lose SI next year, they have a lot of talent returning. Two Sabally's next year, Boli, and Hebard gives them a good start. I think Chavez is better than most of you think. They have two nice international guards coming in next year, one whom the beavers had interest in, and the other is Holly Winterburn, who is quite a nice player. Winterburn was injured the other day, and I haven't heard how serious the injury is, but if healthy, she should be a nice addition to their team.
I expect the Beavs to be better though....but the ducks aren't falling off the map yet.
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Post by ag87 on Mar 15, 2019 11:08:35 GMT -8
I'd be happy to see SI head to the pros....Found it impressive that 3 of the top 7 projected 1st round draft pics are from Pac-12.... With SI and Maite Corzola (sp) headed to the pros we'll get a much better look at Graves' coaching skills....Everyone knows he's a good coach, but we'll see if he deserves to be considered elite.... GO BEAVS !! What kind of money is there in the WNBA? Is there a minimum salary? Would would be typical if you are somewhere between the 5th and 10th pick in the draft?
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Post by oldbeav on Mar 15, 2019 11:36:45 GMT -8
I don't have any inside knowledge on his "dick-headedness" but it seems the guy can recruit. My hunch is he'll recruit another couple top players to fill the void left by SI. Regardless, we'll still beat them! Go Beavs! His assistant coaches are the recruiters.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2019 13:05:36 GMT -8
The WNBA season is also substantially shorter than an NBA season. So it's not an apples-to-apples comparison to an NBA paycheck.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Mar 15, 2019 14:34:44 GMT -8
And while the WNBA doesn't pay great, it does provide some local sponsorship/spokesperson opportunities (nothing, again, like the shoe deals or insurance deals we see in the male pro ranks necessarily), and I believe it provides a lot of "gilt by association" where those opportunities in Europe and Australia and what not are more readily available to "current WNBA player _______".
And then cashing in on visibility to become a high draft pick (or #1) and wear and tear on the body (someone posted here, for example, how SI is having knee issues?) for a college scholarship. Also plausible, and I have no knowledge here, that players might have completed or nearly completed their degree with lots of AP courses on the way in and summer school during their enrollment (Stephen Thompson, an example, working on a graduate degree after graduating in 3 years).
So I think paycheck is just one component of the equation. All of that said, will be interesting to see how the collective bargaining goes in the WNBA after this season - not clear if the financials are there yet for the WNBA. Maybe Larry Scott is running their operation in his spare time.
Go Beavers!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Mar 15, 2019 15:02:55 GMT -8
There is no secret Graves is a really good recruiter. He beat us out for Hebard, Ionescu, Sabally, and Boley. If Ionescu and Cazorla both leave next year, they still have a lot of talent - especially if Nyara Sabally is everything she is cracked up to be. Hebard, Boley, and the Saballys still give them a very strong front court, but their back court wouldn’t be nearly as strong. As far as their 2019 class, Euros and Aussies can be hit and miss, and international rankings don’t mean much for me. 2020 will be a big year in recruiting against the Ducks. Ware, Van Lith, Bueckers, Clark, and Bueckers are all targets for both teams, so who gets who will have a say in the future of both programs, especially a generational player like Bueckers.
Obviously I like a backcourt of Aleah Goodman, Mikayla Pivec, Destiny Slocum, and Kat Tudor against nearly anyone elses in the country. The big question will be integrating and preparing the freshman and getting more scoring from the 4 and 5. If Aquino is ready to go, and one of the freshmen can step up at the 5, watch out.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 15, 2019 15:16:03 GMT -8
Not sure we ever recruited Boley. She's from Kentucky and transferred from Notre Dame. Cozorla is a senior and has no eligibility left. She's gone.
Campbell is the recruiter. At some point, if he's as good a coach as they say he is, he will get a head-coaching job. But every year he remains an assistant, something must be missing. Kind of like Beau Baldwin, tries for a lot of No. 1 jobs but never gets hired.
I'm sure SI will get some kind of shoe deal from Nike as part of the quid pro quo that got here there in the first place.
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