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Post by mbabeav on Mar 10, 2019 7:49:19 GMT -8
If Kylor scores 15+, we will win any game at the tourney. And our outside shooting will improve, IMO!
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Post by gnawitall on Mar 10, 2019 7:57:23 GMT -8
If Kylor scores 15+, we will win any game at the tourney. And our outside shooting will improve, IMO! 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍 |
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Post by jefframp on Mar 10, 2019 8:05:01 GMT -8
Still bugs me how wide open he was at the end of regulation in Seattle a few days ago.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 10, 2019 16:03:14 GMT -8
Still bugs me how wide open he was at the end of regulation in Seattle a few days ago. ASU too.... |
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Post by greshambeaver on Mar 11, 2019 19:26:31 GMT -8
totally agree, seems like there are times they just don't want to pass to K.K. The WBB team seems to be the opposite, they want to get it to J.G. too often.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 11, 2019 21:02:12 GMT -8
totally agree, seems like there are times they just don't want to pass to K.K. The WBB team seems to be the opposite, they want to get it to J.G. too often. It's not a new thing, or a KK thing. As mentioned there has NEVER been an emphasis on building an inside game... Drew, Big G, and KK all should have seen more emphasis. It's a missing link that could have had this program 3-5 more wins a year?! |
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Post by gzr on Mar 11, 2019 21:13:02 GMT -8
totally agree, seems like there are times they just don't want to pass to K.K. The WBB team seems to be the opposite, they want to get it to J.G. too often. It's not a new thing, or a KK thing. As mentioned there has NEVER been an emphasis on building an inside game... Drew, Big G, and KK all should have seen more emphasis. It's a missing link that could have had this program 3-5 more wins a year?! But, but, but--how does dumping the ball off to KK show off my next level skills?? Playing is the thing, not winning, for some of these guys. If these guys would decide to play to win instead of play to showcase, they have enough talent to do it. For those who have been around for a while, the same thing happened with Haskins--I never saw a guy work harder to get open and the guy bouncing the ball around just would not pass to him. I used to make myself obnoxious in my section by screaming Pass The Damn Ball. I can't remember the name of the bouncer, Knox?, but I remember Haskins. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 12, 2019 9:52:32 GMT -8
We need a new Head Coach !! We’ll go one and done in the tournament Yes, first he broke our streak for not going to the NCAA tourney and now he broke our streak of 28 years of non-winning conference seasons. Definitely grounds for dismissal! |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 12, 2019 10:13:21 GMT -8
We need a new Head Coach !! We’ll go one and done in the tournament You'll probably get your new head coach in a bit over a year. Next year Kylor comes back with an extra 15-18 pounds on him and Washington comes back with an extra 10-12 pounds. Both will be beefier, more experienced and getting more minutes than this year and post play will be a huge strong point. Tres comes back, moves to the 3, and is all-league again. Payton comes in at the 4 and is at a minimum honorable mention all league. Ethan slides to the 2 and is all league and gets a bunch of interest from the pros. Antoine or a new recruit starts and is the best point guard OSU has had in almost 2 decades. The Beavs go 26 and 4 and posters here are complaining about how close games are and losses that shouldn't happen. The Beavs make it to the sweet 16 and lose in the final seconds to the national runner-up and the fans here complain... ...And a fairly big name school wants a new coaching staff. Boom, you get your wish! |
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 12, 2019 20:26:03 GMT -8
We need a new Head Coach !! We’ll go one and done in the tournament Yes, first he broke our streak for not going to the NCAA tourney and now he broke our streak of 28 years of non-winning conference seasons. Definitely grounds for dismissal! Based on the talent level coming into the season, and how you expected them to develop individually and as a team, do you feel the team exceeded expectatations, missed expectations, or met expectations? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not on the fire Tinkle train (I imagine coaching three coaches sons, with two of them being your assistant coach’s sons, is uniquely challenging). I personally feel like we underachieved by a long shot. I expect more from our coaching and am eager to see what he can do with fewer coaches sons, and frankly, I do not care if we are worse. I would prefer a team that lacks talent and over-achieves over a team loaded with talent that under-achieves. That said though, I do expect us to be better next year, especially if TT and AH come back. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 12, 2019 20:52:28 GMT -8
Yes, first he broke our streak for not going to the NCAA tourney and now he broke our streak of 28 years of non-winning conference seasons. Definitely grounds for dismissal! Based on the talent level coming into the season, and how you expected them to develop individually and as a team, do you feel the team exceeded expectatations, missed expectations, or met expectations? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not on the fire Tinkle train (I imagine coaching three coaches sons, with two of them being your assistant coach’s sons, is uniquely challenging). I personally feel like we underachieved by a long shot. I expect more from our coaching and am eager to see what he can do with fewer coaches sons, and frankly, I do not care if we are worse. I would prefer a team that lacks talent and over-achieves over a team loaded with talent that under-achieves. That said though, I do expect us to be better next year, especially if TT and AH come back. Oregon State was projected to finish tenth in conference and finished fourth. You seriously thought coming into this season was going to be the Beavers' best season since 1990 on a team that most experts basically indicated had no chance to compete in conference, much less finish fourth? I don't think that anyone can seriously said that Tinkle did not exceed expectations. I think you can point to a couple of bonehead decisions that maybe cost Oregon State a game or two. Tinkle is not Coach K, but, man, this was a great season compared to the 28 seasons before it. |
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Post by albanianbeav on Mar 12, 2019 22:08:42 GMT -8
Based on the talent level coming into the season, and how you expected them to develop individually and as a team, do you feel the team exceeded expectatations, missed expectations, or met expectations? Don’t get me wrong, I’m not on the fire Tinkle train (I imagine coaching three coaches sons, with two of them being your assistant coach’s sons, is uniquely challenging). I personally feel like we underachieved by a long shot. I expect more from our coaching and am eager to see what he can do with fewer coaches sons, and frankly, I do not care if we are worse. I would prefer a team that lacks talent and over-achieves over a team loaded with talent that under-achieves. That said though, I do expect us to be better next year, especially if TT and AH come back. Oregon State was projected to finish tenth in conference and finished fourth. You seriously thought coming into this season was going to be the Beavers' best season since 1990 on a team that most experts basically indicated had no chance to compete in conference, much less finish fourth? I don't think that anyone can seriously said that Tinkle did not exceed expectations. I think you can point to a couple of bonehead decisions that maybe cost Oregon State a game or two. Tinkle is not Coach K, but, man, this was a great season compared to the 28 seasons before it. Those same experts had three or four pac-12 teams in the top 25. Based on the actual level of competition we faced, we should have challenged for the league title. Did I expect that pre-season? No. I also did not buy into 10th, though a few pre-season games had me wondering. We have a lot of talent and experience on our team. We often play a brand of basketball that is hard to watch and lost a number of games we should not have. I know you are the stats guy here, but in this case there is more to the story. |
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Post by vhalum92 on Mar 13, 2019 10:54:29 GMT -8
How about this for an answer?.....\ We exceeded outside expectations! We as fans see that we could have won more games during a season the Pac was down. We should let the season conclude before making more conclusions. Next question, what are reasonable expectations for next year? and my hope is that the basketball becomes more watchable as well... and more wins  |
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Post by Judge Smails on Mar 13, 2019 11:08:08 GMT -8
Oregon State was projected to finish tenth in conference and finished fourth. You seriously thought coming into this season was going to be the Beavers' best season since 1990 on a team that most experts basically indicated had no chance to compete in conference, much less finish fourth? I don't think that anyone can seriously said that Tinkle did not exceed expectations. I think you can point to a couple of bonehead decisions that maybe cost Oregon State a game or two. Tinkle is not Coach K, but, man, this was a great season compared to the 28 seasons before it. Those same experts had three or four pac-12 teams in the top 25. Based on the actual level of competition we faced, we should have challenged for the league title. Did I expect that pre-season? No. I also did not buy into 10th, though a few pre-season games had me wondering. We have a lot of talent and experience on our team. We often play a brand of basketball that is hard to watch and lost a number of games we should not have. I know you are the stats guy here, but in this case there is more to the story. So we underachieved based on other teams underachieving. When, in fact, we should have overachieved due to the conference's unexpected underachievers. Makes perfect sense..... |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Mar 13, 2019 13:17:47 GMT -8
Oregon State was projected to finish tenth in conference and finished fourth. You seriously thought coming into this season was going to be the Beavers' best season since 1990 on a team that most experts basically indicated had no chance to compete in conference, much less finish fourth? I don't think that anyone can seriously said that Tinkle did not exceed expectations. I think you can point to a couple of bonehead decisions that maybe cost Oregon State a game or two. Tinkle is not Coach K, but, man, this was a great season compared to the 28 seasons before it. Those same experts had three or four pac-12 teams in the top 25. Based on the actual level of competition we faced, we should have challenged for the league title. Did I expect that pre-season? No. I also did not buy into 10th, though a few pre-season games had me wondering. We have a lot of talent and experience on our team. We often play a brand of basketball that is hard to watch and lost a number of games we should not have. I know you are the stats guy here, but in this case there is more to the story. Recruiting class rankings: 3. Oregon
7. Arizona State
10. UCLA
14. USC
19. Arizona
22. Stanford
34. California
35. Utah
43. Washington
70. Oregon State
97. Colorado
139. Washington State
Some were predicting Oregon State to finish 11th in conference. Everyone outside of the Beavers agreed that Oregon State's top three--unquestionably Tres Tinkle, Stephen Thompson Jr., and Ethan Thompson--were comparable or better than most of the teams in the Pac-12--but the next most-hyped player was Hollins. It was hoped that Hollins would continue to progress and maybe the Beavers could hit on a big recruit coming through. However, all it was in the preseason was hope.
The experts had three teams in the top 25: Oregon, UCLA, and Washington. Arizona, Oregon, and UCLA were expected to reload rather than rebuild and USC had Boatwright returning to build around. Arizona State (based on recruiting) and Colorado (based on returners) were expected to compete for sixth and the final Tournament spot.
The result? Oregon State went 0-4 against the top two teams in the Pac-12 and a rather unreal 10-4 against the other nine, especially when you consider that two losses were by a combined three points. (The UCLA loss was a big missed opportunity. There was a rebounding breakdown, but Arizona still flat got lucky.)
Oregon State won in Salt Lake City for the first time since 2012 (the Beavers' lone win in Salt Lake City in the 80-year history of the rivalry).
Oregon State won in Boulder for the first time since 2013 (the Beavers' lone win in Boulder in the 79-year history of the rivalry). Oregon State won at Boulder and Salt Lake City in the same year for the first time in program history.
Oregon State swept Oregon for the first time since 2010.
Oregon State outscored UCLA in their two-game series a combined by 12 points. This is Beavers' most lopsided two-game aggregate series against the Bruins since 1984.
Oregon State swept USC for the first time since 2014. This is the Beavers' most lopsided four-game aggregate series against the Los Angeles schools since 1988.
Oregon State has defeated Washington State in four consecutive games by a combined 78 points. This is the second time that the the Beavers have gone undefeated against Washington State in consecutive years, since Wayne Tinkle was hired as head coach. The previous coach to turn the trick? Ralph Miller in 1984-85 and 1985-86. Miller also turned the trick in 1980-81 and 1981-82.
However, Miller never did it four times in five seasons. The last coach to turn that trick? Slats Gill, who went undefeated against Washington State every year but one from 1956-57 to 1963-64. (The only loss in that span was in Pullman in 1960-61.)
Oregon State's four wins in a two-year period by a combined 78 points against Washington State are a record stretching back to 1962-63. Between 1960-61 and 1962-63, Oregon State and Washington State played 4-5 times per year. Outside of years, when Oregon State played Washington State more than three times, 78 points is Oregon State's all-time consecutive year record against Washington State.
Oregon State's eight-point win over California is the most lopsided victory for the Beavers over the Bears since 2010. The last time that Oregon State went undefeated against California on the season was a decade ago in 2009.
2018-19 is Oregon State's first winning conference season since 1989-90. 2018-19 is also the first season since 1989-90 that Oregon State has finished better than fifth in conference.
Oregon State is guaranteed to play in the quarterfinals in consecutive years for the first time in Pac-12 history and the first time since 2011 (Pac-10) and 2012 (Pac-12).
2018-19 is the first time that Oregon State has earned a bye in the conference tournament since 2010. Oregon State finished seventh that year, but USC was ineligible, so the Beavers moved up to sixth with a bye. Oregon State's last bye before that was in the 1990 Pac-10 Tournament, when the Beavers last won the regular season title. |
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