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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 4, 2019 13:12:07 GMT -8
Lucas plays in a middling league in Cali... plays zero D. Hmmm... so like Stevie, but not in the same class in terms of scoring vs D1 talent next year... or maybe ever. Vernon was supposed to be the PG to come in and play more. Guess not. Hunt probably sits a bunch like most frosh under WT. Dastrup is basically Big G, but not as physical. There better be a transfer as this recruiting class matches the rest 8th-10th in the Pac12. Scary thing... this team is where it is with a ton of experience and a 3-prong attack. Next year only two and highly dependent on newcomers! Yikes... And... don't be surprised to see another departure. Where to you get that Lucas plays zero D? I'm not disputing, I just haven't seen either way. OSU is dead last in 3PT FG% in the Pac-12; Lucas is likely to help with that at least. With ST shooting pretty much right at OSU's average. I am encouraged by Ethan's game yesterday; if his brother had hit that critical late (open) 3, he has a triple-double. That would have put him on a very good OSU list that otherwise only has GP names. He can be a Pac-12 alpha next year, and if he does, he could enable the newcommers to contribute. Additionally, I expect Kelley can make a big leap going into next year. If Ethan and Kelly can play at all-pac-12 level next year, I do like our chances of being better than this year, including having the ability to be the late game aggressors, which has not been the case with this year's team. Watch game tapes... not just highlights. Then study Cali rankings and opponents. Lucas did most of is record scoring vs inferior HS teams/talent. He is not the best player of this 8th-10th rated class. To expect KK to be anything above 10/8 is extremely wishful thinking. He is Eric Moreland... 90% of his offense is on dunks.It would take an abrupt about face and a inside oriented offense to get Kylor any place near all Pac12... unless you're talking defensive team? And... not happening, especially with Tres returning... and Ethan getting more touches without Stevie there. IF KK was actually a successful third scorer and actually utilized the team could be more consistent. However, that assumes the rest of the league remains down. I'm betting UW drops down a level, but UCLA (depending on coaching hire) SC, ASU, Utah, Furd have better classes coming and will be improving. Zona's fate may rest on Miller's testimony and how recruits react to rumors. Expect DA/ucks to "buy" a transfer or recruit to add to a already good class. WT needs more than this class and Dastrup. They need an actual LEADER. A respected court presence. A starter, grad transfer that's actually a stud is the only chance this team competes for top 4 next year. The last couple years ws the chance to make hay in the Pac12. Unless this team makes a run to championship game it's been wasted. PS- he didn't, he isn't, and being on a "list" doesn't make him comparable to either GP. |
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 4, 2019 13:18:53 GMT -8
I'm thinking Washington and Hollins will be the first guys off the bench next year. Kelley at the 5, Dastrup at the 4 spot, Tres at the 3 spot (assuming he stays), Ethan at the 2 and Antoine (likely) or Gianni at the 1. Washington will get plenty of time backing or rotating with Kylor and is the likely starter for 2 years unless a great center recruit falls into Tinkle's lap. I really like Washington's play. Dastrup will be frequently off the floor to keep fresh, unless he does a lot of running this off season, and Tres will slide over and Alfred will fill in to the 3. I'm not sure what's going on with the Alfred/Zack competition, I think well of both of them and neither has had the best of years. Athletically Alfred has quite the edge and should play as much as or more than Zack, but frankly I don't see Zack as being as poor of a player as some here think, I think he does a bunch of things well (except his shots haven't been falling this year). I'm hoping Alfred sticks around. Not trying to argue, but what are the things you think he does well? I feel like outside shooting is what he's absolutely needs to give us to make up for other deficiencies.. He's at 30.7% from the field. Last year he was 30.8%. Hollins is shooting 24% from 3pt range (down 12% from last year) - that's getting into 'don't bother guarding him out there' range. He's 62% from the FT line, also way down from last year. I find it puzzling that so many here think Hollins should be getting more minutes, apparently due to him being a better defensive player and more athletic. His defense may look more impressive, but it lacks some fundamentals that makes a clear case to me that there's any obvious gain. The bottom line is that both of these players are not playing at a level that justifies their 20 mins/game, and that needs to be fixed by them making big leaps during the offseason, or playing at a different level elsewhere. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 4, 2019 14:05:32 GMT -8
Not trying to argue, but what are the things you think he does well? I feel like outside shooting is what he's absolutely needs to give us to make up for other deficiencies.. He's at 30.7% from the field. Last year he was 30.8%. Hollins is shooting 24% from 3pt range (down 12% from last year) - that's getting into 'don't bother guarding him out there' range. He's 62% from the FT line, also way down from last year. I find it puzzling that so many here think Hollins should be getting more minutes, apparently due to him being a better defensive player and more athletic. His defense may look more impressive, but it lacks some fundamentals that makes a clear case to me that there's any obvious gain. The bottom line is that both of these players are not playing at a level that justifies their 20 mins/game, and that needs to be fixed by them making big leaps during the offseason, or playing at a different level elsewhere. Actually the entire discussion directly relates to the level of recruiting. Both have turned out to be garbage time minutes type players, but have to be part of this rotation. |
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