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Post by ocbeav on Mar 3, 2019 20:37:05 GMT -8
Hopefully Tres does come back. He didn't have the chance to play in the NCAA tournament when we made it since he was hurt. That's about the only motivation outside of playing for his Dad I can think of for him to come back. I like the guys in the next class so hopefully they can step up and Dastrup can be a solid player as well. I see a team about the same talent wise next year if Tres comes back. Tres will Not be drafted by anyone, period. Good college player but clearly not nearly athletic enough for the NBA. He would be lost with those guys. Hopefully he knows this and will come back, if not, we are near bottom dwellers once more, sadly. I dont see any incoming guys that will start, or play much at all. Not even Lucas who broken California HS scoring record? I would think he will take Stevie’s place.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 3, 2019 21:15:54 GMT -8
Tres will Not be drafted by anyone, period. Good college player but clearly not nearly athletic enough for the NBA. He would be lost with those guys. Hopefully he knows this and will come back, if not, we are near bottom dwellers once more, sadly. I dont see any incoming guys that will start, or play much at all. Not even Lucas who broken California HS scoring record? I would think he will take Stevie’s place. Gianni Hunt is supposed to be a good player too. Borderline 3-4* who is a true PG. Could start and let E slide over to 2 to take Stevie's spot.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2019 21:36:16 GMT -8
This team doesn't seem to be able to close the deal. How many games is it this season where they had the lead,tied,or close late in the game? They can't hit the shot or get the important stop. Thompson made the shot to tie at the end more difficult than he had to and missed. This team could easily have won at least 4 or 5 more games if they were able to close. I know some of you will say it is on Tinkle as the coach. You can't go out there and play the game. You can tell the players what to do and they must execute. Now, what do you do if the players aren't executing the way you want them to? Well, you could sit them on the bench then you are probably guaranteed to lose. The good and the bad. I think Tinkle gets at least one more year. It will have to be a really bad 2019-20 season to dump him after the end of the season. In the end, players must execute. Actually up until this weekend OSU was unbeaten, 14 or 15-0 i think when leading with 5 mins to play.. so they actually had done pretty well in close games till this weekend and these were actually the first 2 games they have lost all season when leading at the Half And since there has been no blowout losses, that makes the record, what, 3-9 when not leading at the 5 min mark? One of the most meaningless stat ever... 1 point lead at 5 min vs 15?! Either way cuts both ways.
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Post by baseba1111 on Mar 3, 2019 21:44:15 GMT -8
Tres will Not be drafted by anyone, period. Good college player but clearly not nearly athletic enough for the NBA. He would be lost with those guys. Hopefully he knows this and will come back, if not, we are near bottom dwellers once more, sadly. I dont see any incoming guys that will start, or play much at all. Not even Lucas who broken California HS scoring record? I would think he will take Stevie’s place. Lucas plays in a middling league in Cali... plays zero D. Hmmm... so like Stevie, but not in the same class in terms of scoring vs D1 talent next year... or maybe ever. Vernon was supposed to be the PG to come in and play more. Guess not. Hunt probably sits a bunch like most frosh under WT. Dastrup is basically Big G, but not as physical. There better be a transfer as this recruiting class matches the rest 8th-10th in the Pac12. Scary thing... this team is where it is with a ton of experience and a 3-prong attack. Next year only two and highly dependent on newcomers! Yikes... And... don't be surprised to see another departure.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 3, 2019 23:26:00 GMT -8
Ugh. Such a disappointment. I absolutely hate the way ASU plays. To lose to those jokers at home is unbelievable. Once again, guys just can't make the shots that matter. Defense wasn't the problem. Can't generate offense. Stevie drives and has Kylor WIDE OPEN at the basket at the end and shovels up trash. Albeit, he usually hits that shot, but this team just has no idea who they are. Can't get out of their own way. Disappointing. Right after that play I said to my wife it looked as though Stevie went up for the shot, realized it wasn’t there, then intended to dish it off to Kylor and noticed Kylor was out of position and was stuck in the air and had to huck it towards the basket before he hit the floor. The big issue is he left the ground before have a clear opportunity for either a shot or an assist. Didn’t tape it so I can’t rewatch it, but that’s how it seemed to me.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 3, 2019 23:42:50 GMT -8
This was the year to make the NCAA tourney. A very weak conference and the 3 coaches kids together at their most mature. Next season we will have 2 and in 2021 only one coaches kid. Bottom line is this staff has not proven they can recruit well enough to win, (or if you take off the coaches kids) even be competitive. Hopefully Tres does come back. He didn't have the chance to play in the NCAA tournament when we made it since he was hurt. That's about the only motivation outside of playing for his Dad I can think of for him to come back. I like the guys in the next class so hopefully they can step up and Dastrup can be a solid player as well. I see a team about the same talent wise next year if Tres comes back. ———— I like Big G a lot as a player, but Dastrup is a pretty big bump up talent-wise from what I saw of him in the pre-season game. If Tres returns next year, assuming no injuries, our front court will be more solid than this year. Any development from Kelley and Washington/Hollins will be a bonus. I see Kelley, Dastrup and Tres as the starting front court next year. I’m hoping Ethan slides into Stevie’s spot, and frankly I have a good feeling about Antoine. I think he’s a decent point guard, if he, or if Gianni actually beats him and plays, is a full time starter I think think our guard play will be a bit better next year. I think the team has an opportunity to be better next year if Tres and all of the others stick around. If Tres doesn’t come back things change a bit and either Hollins or Reichle start. For all the people saying Tres isn’t an NBA player, he’s shown the ability to drive on 2-3 players on a consistent basis and the NBA isn’t as heavy on zone defenses as this level is. He could probably catch on and play for at least a few years.
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Post by alwaysorange on Mar 4, 2019 6:27:08 GMT -8
Don't be surprised if hollins transfers. He should be playing ahead of reichle and he knows it and I think pretty much the rest of us know It.
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Post by aicandme on Mar 4, 2019 6:47:35 GMT -8
Don't be surprised if hollins transfers. He should be playing ahead of reichle and he knows it and I think pretty much the rest of us know It. Agree and wouldn't be surprised if Washington does as well. No inside info, just a feeling based on how he was used this year. He should have been playing more.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Mar 4, 2019 6:49:45 GMT -8
This was the year to make the NCAA tourney. A very weak conference and the 3 coaches kids together at their most mature. Next season we will have 2 and in 2021 only one coaches kid. Bottom line is this staff has not proven they can recruit well enough to win, (or if you take off the coaches kids) even be competitive. Tres is coming back, I've heard.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 4, 2019 10:01:39 GMT -8
Don't be surprised if hollins transfers. He should be playing ahead of reichle and he knows it and I think pretty much the rest of us know It. Agree and wouldn't be surprised if Washington does as well. No inside info, just a feeling based on how he was used this year. He should have been playing more. I'd be surprised to see Washington transfer. This is his freshman season and he had the best shot blocker in the conference ahead of him and a 4 year senior who only lost his starting spot cause of injury. Washington was huge for us in a couple games because of his D. I like both Hollins and Washington. I agree that Al should be playing above Zach and am still trying to figure out where the player we saw towards the end of last year went.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Mar 4, 2019 10:15:24 GMT -8
I'm thinking Washington and Hollins will be the first guys off the bench next year. Kelley at the 5, Dastrup at the 4 spot, Tres at the 3 spot (assuming he stays), Ethan at the 2 and Antoine (likely) or Gianni at the 1. Washington will get plenty of time backing or rotating with Kylor and is the likely starter for 2 years unless a great center recruit falls into Tinkle's lap. I really like Washington's play. Dastrup will be frequently off the floor to keep fresh, unless he does a lot of running this off season, and Tres will slide over and Alfred will fill in to the 3. I'm not sure what's going on with the Alfred/Zack competition, I think well of both of them and neither has had the best of years. Athletically Alfred has quite the edge and should play as much as or more than Zack, but frankly I don't see Zack as being as poor of a player as some here think, I think he does a bunch of things well (except his shots haven't been falling this year). I'm hoping Alfred sticks around.
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Post by beaverstever on Mar 4, 2019 11:48:51 GMT -8
Not even Lucas who broken California HS scoring record? I would think he will take Stevie’s place. Lucas plays in a middling league in Cali... plays zero D. Hmmm... so like Stevie, but not in the same class in terms of scoring vs D1 talent next year... or maybe ever. Vernon was supposed to be the PG to come in and play more. Guess not. Hunt probably sits a bunch like most frosh under WT. Dastrup is basically Big G, but not as physical. There better be a transfer as this recruiting class matches the rest 8th-10th in the Pac12. Scary thing... this team is where it is with a ton of experience and a 3-prong attack. Next year only two and highly dependent on newcomers! Yikes... And... don't be surprised to see another departure. Where to you get that Lucas plays zero D? I'm not disputing, I just haven't seen either way. OSU is dead last in 3PT FG% in the Pac-12; Lucas is likely to help with that at least. With ST shooting pretty much right at OSU's average. I am encouraged by Ethan's game yesterday; if his brother had hit that critical late (open) 3, he has a triple-double. That would have put him on a very good OSU list that otherwise only has GP names. He can be a Pac-12 alpha next year, and if he does, he could enable the newcommers to contribute. Additionally, I expect Kelley can make a big leap going into next year. If Ethan and Kelly can play at all-pac-12 level next year, I do like our chances of being better than this year, including having the ability to be the late game aggressors, which has not been the case with this year's team.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Mar 4, 2019 12:44:37 GMT -8
This was the year to make the NCAA tourney. A very weak conference and the 3 coaches kids together at their most mature. Next season we will have 2 and in 2021 only one coaches kid. Bottom line is this staff has not proven they can recruit well enough to win, (or if you take off the coaches kids) even be competitive. Tres is coming back, I've heard. I heard someone say this at the game last night as well. The guy said he had heard that scouts were glad he had another year of eligibility because they didn't see him as draftable yet but that it was possible after one more year.
Anything on your end to back it up or is this mostly speculation? Because all I've got myself is word from a guy, who knows a guy, who knows a guy, etc....
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Post by beavheart on Mar 4, 2019 12:53:34 GMT -8
Ugh. Such a disappointment. I absolutely hate the way ASU plays. To lose to those jokers at home is unbelievable. Once again, guys just can't make the shots that matter. Defense wasn't the problem. Can't generate offense. Stevie drives and has Kylor WIDE OPEN at the basket at the end and shovels up trash. Albeit, he usually hits that shot, but this team just has no idea who they are. Can't get out of their own way. Disappointing. Right after that play I said to my wife it looked as though Stevie went up for the shot, realized it wasn’t there, then intended to dish it off to Kylor and noticed Kylor was out of position and was stuck in the air and had to huck it towards the basket before he hit the floor. The big issue is he left the ground before have a clear opportunity for either a shot or an assist. Didn’t tape it so I can’t rewatch it, but that’s how it seemed to me. If you have access to the ESPN3 site you can rewatch it. That said, I really doubt I will rewatch it either. It looked to me like Kylor had his defender behind him, and nothing between him and the rim, and when Stevie broke to the hoop all he would have had to do was flip the ball up and Kylor could have flushed it with ease. Except somehow he didn't see him or just didn't trust anyone but himself to make the shot. I could be wrong, but that's what I saw and it just smacks of not even being aware of the team you have around you. It's like this team has never figured itself out and doesn't know how to be aggressive AS A TEAM when they need to be. That's particularly frustrating when they are playing a team that plays with reckless abandon, but are getting the calls in spite of being out of control. All I know is if I saw a team that was creating as much contact as ASU does, WHILE flopping at every chance they had i would be real cautious about blowing the whistle. And yet, for some dam reason officials seem to cater to that kind of action all the time. I don't get it. I mean, to not blow the whistle when their spaziod point guard goes through our guy to get a "steal" was like the cherry on top of a big ol piece Egregious pie. They had been calling touch fouls on us against the same dude every time he threw himself into our defenders, and the you don't call that???!! Just, wow.
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Post by ochobeavo on Mar 4, 2019 13:01:58 GMT -8
I'm thinking Washington and Hollins will be the first guys off the bench next year. Kelley at the 5, Dastrup at the 4 spot, Tres at the 3 spot (assuming he stays), Ethan at the 2 and Antoine (likely) or Gianni at the 1. Washington will get plenty of time backing or rotating with Kylor and is the likely starter for 2 years unless a great center recruit falls into Tinkle's lap. I really like Washington's play. Dastrup will be frequently off the floor to keep fresh, unless he does a lot of running this off season, and Tres will slide over and Alfred will fill in to the 3. I'm not sure what's going on with the Alfred/Zack competition, I think well of both of them and neither has had the best of years. Athletically Alfred has quite the edge and should play as much as or more than Zack, but frankly I don't see Zack as being as poor of a player as some here think, I think he does a bunch of things well (except his shots haven't been falling this year). I'm hoping Alfred sticks around. Not trying to argue, but what are the things you think he does well? I feel like outside shooting is what he's absolutely needs to give us to make up for other deficiencies.. He's at 30.7% from the field. Last year he was 30.8%.
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