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Post by willtalk on Feb 16, 2019 13:13:35 GMT -8
In respect to Oregon not being a final 4 team-- They have about as much chance as any other team of winning it all. There is no team presently in WCBB that can not be beaten on any given day by any number of other teams. Every team has weaknesses that can be exploited. The days when a team is so loaded with talent that they can get wins on days they are not playing well are over. At least this year. Sure Oregon has weaknesses and can be beaten, but so does every other team in the race. Uconn has no depth and if they have an off day, they can be beaten by any good team. ND is also vulnerable. So is Baylor, Louisville and Miss, State, Stanford etc. Any team that gets hot during the final two weeks can win it all. More than ever, matchups and timing will decide this season champion.
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Post by lotrader on Feb 16, 2019 13:24:52 GMT -8
In respect to Oregon not being a final 4 team-- They have about as much chance as any other team of winning it all. There is no team presently in WCBB that can not be beaten on any given day by any number of other teams. Every team has weaknesses that can be exploited. The days when a team is so loaded with talent that they can get wins on days they are not playing well are over. At least this year. Sure Oregon has weaknesses and can be beaten, but so does every other team in the race. Uconn has no depth and if they have an off day, they can be beaten by any good team. ND is also vulnerable. So is Baylor, Louisville and Miss, State, Stanford etc. Any team that gets hot during the final two weeks can win it all. More than ever, matchups and timing will decide this season champion. Well stated willtalk. And whoever posted that OSU is not a top 10 team (and also admitted they haven't watched many WCBB games this year), I'm not sure why you posted this statement? If OSU isn't a top 10 team at this juncture, OSU is certainly trending to TOP 10. If OSU gets solid post play (as they did in the game at Matt Knight Arena) then OSU will most definitely be a TOP 10 team when the NCAA Tournament rolls around. Happy to see KTMac join the offense last night. KTMac needs to just pull the trigger and let the ball go, and not hesitate. OSU needs her offensive contributions. I do hope Taya has better games ahead, we need her rebounding and offense as well. The play of Jo and Trish was great last night. I'm sure Rueck will go with a similar post rotation Monday--he may even start Jo. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 16, 2019 16:30:42 GMT -8
In respect to Oregon not being a final 4 team-- They have about as much chance as any other team of winning it all. There is no team presently in WCBB that can not be beaten on any given day by any number of other teams. Every team has weaknesses that can be exploited. The days when a team is so loaded with talent that they can get wins on days they are not playing well are over. At least this year. Sure Oregon has weaknesses and can be beaten, but so does every other team in the race. Uconn has no depth and if they have an off day, they can be beaten by any good team. ND is also vulnerable. So is Baylor, Louisville and Miss, State, Stanford etc. Any team that gets hot during the final two weeks can win it all. More than ever, matchups and timing will decide this season champion. Well stated willtalk. And whoever posted that OSU is not a top 10 team (and also admitted they haven't watched many WCBB games this year), I'm not sure why you posted this statement? If OSU isn't a top 10 team at this juncture, OSU is certainly trending to TOP 10. If OSU gets solid post play (as they did in the game at Matt Knight Arena) then OSU will most definitely be a TOP 10 team when the NCAA Tournament rolls around. Happy to see KTMac join the offense last night. KTMac needs to just pull the trigger and let the ball go, and not hesitate. OSU needs her offensive contributions. I do hope Taya has better games ahead, we need her rebounding and offense as well. The play of Jo and Trish was great last night. I'm sure Rueck will go with a similar post rotation Monday--he may even start Jo. Not quite... not many complete games from other conferences. But, I have seen plenty of Top 5-10 teams play... this year and in the past. But, not week in week out conference games from other leagues. My point being that season polls are nice for fans but meaningless in extrapolating how a team will actually fare vs another, especially in pressurized tourney play. Hence the amount of upsets. As the uck mentioned in pots other than yours, NCAA seeds/weekly ratings... if they were highly accurate then again there'd be very few upsets and #1 seeds would be automatic into the Final Four. And... not in sexist terms at all... women's college ball has basically been dominated by a handful of teams the the last decade or so. It's not really rocket science who most of the #1 seeds will be, even most of the #2 seeds until the last few years: Most #1 seeds since 2010: UConn (9) ND (6) Furd (4) Baylor (4) SCar (3) Yet the NCAA seedings only have 22/36 #1 seeds make the Final Four the last 9 tournaments. Now take away that UConn which was a solid #1 in each of the last 9 seasons, only 13/27 of the 'other' #1s have succeeded to the last weekend. Three years of the last 9 have had all #1 seeds make it. Point being... rankings, seedings, etc are statistical analysis of an individual team, not how one team necessarily plays vs another, specific team. Hence, Oregon being rated #3 (a #1 seed) means an easier route in the tourney (the goal of a high seed), but certainly doesn't mean it will end in the top 4. And... it was my "opinion; in other posts they do not look or play like a true contender for the Final Four. As was it my opinion OSU doesn't have the look of any of it's past teams that advanced past the Sweet 16. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 16, 2019 16:58:36 GMT -8
Might have to pump the breaks on including OSU in that elite group of teams. Yes they've been great the last 4 years and have made the NCAAS the last 5 but we're not quite on the same level as those teams mentioned in terms of established success. Can we get there? Yes if Rueck keeps doing what he's doing. Certainly relative to Oregon, the Oregon State women's basketball program is elite when measured as a regular conference title contender and performer in the NCAA tournament. Oregon has about 8 years of catching up to do to be a program measured like OSU. |
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Post by green85 on Feb 16, 2019 17:15:18 GMT -8
Well stated willtalk. And whoever posted that OSU is not a top 10 team (and also admitted they haven't watched many WCBB games this year), I'm not sure why you posted this statement? If OSU isn't a top 10 team at this juncture, OSU is certainly trending to TOP 10. If OSU gets solid post play (as they did in the game at Matt Knight Arena) then OSU will most definitely be a TOP 10 team when the NCAA Tournament rolls around. Happy to see KTMac join the offense last night. KTMac needs to just pull the trigger and let the ball go, and not hesitate. OSU needs her offensive contributions. I do hope Taya has better games ahead, we need her rebounding and offense as well. The play of Jo and Trish was great last night. I'm sure Rueck will go with a similar post rotation Monday--he may even start Jo. Not quite... not many complete games from other conferences. But, I have seen plenty of Top 5-10 teams play... this year and in the past. But, not week in week out conference games from other leagues. My point being that season polls are nice for fans but meaningless in extrapolating how a team will actually fare vs another, especially in pressurized tourney play. Hence the amount of upsets. As the uck mentioned in pots other than yours, NCAA seeds/weekly ratings... if they were highly accurate then again there'd be very few upsets and #1 seeds would be automatic into the Final Four. And... not in sexist terms at all... women's college ball has basically been dominated by a handful of teams the the last decade or so. It's not really rocket science who most of the #1 seeds will be, even most of the #2 seeds until the last few years: Most #1 seeds since 2010: UConn (9) ND (6) Furd (4) Baylor (4) SCar (3) Yet the NCAA seedings only have 22/36 #1 seeds make the Final Four the last 9 tournaments. Now take away that UConn which was a solid #1 in each of the last 9 seasons, only 13/27 of the 'other' #1s have succeeded to the last weekend. Three years of the last 9 have had all #1 seeds make it. Point being... rankings, seedings, etc are statistical analysis of an individual team, not how one team necessarily plays vs another, specific team. Hence, Oregon being rated #3 (a #1 seed) means an easier route in the tourney (the goal of a high seed), but certainly doesn't mean it will end in the top 4. And... it was my "opinion; in other posts they do not look or play like a true contender for the Final Four. As was it my opinion OSU doesn't have the look of any of it's past teams that advanced past the Sweet 16. You discount statistics and rankings in season, and then you use statistics and rankings to support an argument that NCAA seedings are not a great projection of performance in the tourney. In any event, I am fairly confident that Oregon has all the tools to compete with any team in the country in the current season. Should the Ducks find a win against OSU on Monday night, I am confident that objective observers will continue to rate/rank/seed the Ducks quite high. Just for fun ... if you wished to bet $50 on any four teams to make the final four in this year's NCAA Women's Tourney which teams would that be? You can look at the current NCAA bracket on ESPN to assist with your assessment. |
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Post by bvrbooster on Feb 16, 2019 17:15:54 GMT -8
There has been some back and forth over what constitutes an 'elite' program, and whether we fall into that category. If you take a long term view (which is probably correct), we certainly do not, and neither, of course, does Oregon.
But if you look at it from a shorter term perspective, we do and the Ducks still don't. There can only be a limited number of elite programs, or the club wouldn't be very exclusive, would it? In the last 3 seasons, there have been exactly 3 programs that finished each year ranked in the top ten. They are Connecticut, Notre Dame, Baylor, South Carolina, and Oregon State. Long term elites Stanford, Louisville, and Tennessee didn't make that list; neither, of course, did Oregon.
In the last 5 years, there have been 8 programs that finished each year ranked in the top 25. They are Connecticut, Notre Dame, Stanford, Maryland, Louisville, Baylor, South Carolina, and Oregon State. Oregon is not to be found on that list.
We is; they isn't. End of story
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Post by Werebeaver on Feb 16, 2019 18:04:14 GMT -8
Good to see KTMac come out of her shell offensively this game and score some points. This team is way more dangerous if she can consistently put 12-15 ppg up. I'm really curious what's going on with Corosdale. She seems in a complete funk on offense. She's basically only shooting a few 3's (poorly) and has only 2 made baskets in the last 3 games. Shoulder issues? It's nice to see some solid play at the 5. One stat that really sticks out in this game to me: OSU 11 assists on 27 made FG; Oregon 21 assists on 29 FG. Slocum and Goodman with only 4 assists between them. UO passed and shared the ball much better, which is usually where OSU outshines its opponents. I didn't expect a win in Eugene but the game turned out closer than I expected, even though OSU trailed most of it. They have a shot in Gill though underdogs probably. Hopefully the Beavs can clean up some of the things that hurt them in this one. Yes. Taya played 40 min on Friday. She needs to be more of an interior scoring threat if she’s going to take 1/5 of the total minutes. |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Feb 16, 2019 19:16:25 GMT -8
One of my favorite stats from the night was bench points, where we outscored them 24-2. One thing I can assure you of is UO’s 6’6” Lydia Giomi be much further along if she was in Orange and Black. Our staff is simply much better at developing post players.
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Post by blackbuttebeaver80 on Feb 16, 2019 22:36:50 GMT -8
There has been some back and forth over what constitutes an 'elite' program, and whether we fall into that category. If you take a long term view (which is probably correct), we certainly do not, and neither, of course, does Oregon. But if you look at it from a shorter term perspective, we do and the Ducks still don't. There can only be a limited number of elite programs, or the club wouldn't be very exclusive, would it? In the last 3 seasons, there have been exactly 3 programs that finished each year ranked in the top ten. They are Connecticut, Notre Dame, Baylor, South Carolina, and Oregon State. Long term elites Stanford, Louisville, and Tennessee didn't make that list; neither, of course, did Oregon. In the last 5 years, there have been 8 programs that finished each year ranked in the top 25. They are Connecticut, Notre Dame, Stanford, Maryland, Louisville, Baylor, South Carolina, and Oregon State. Oregon is not to be found on that list. We is; they isn't. End of story We can all cherry pick data to support our narrative. Let’s try to make this apples and apples. SR has been at his program longer than KG. KG is now in year 5 and he’s won a conference and tournament title and been to 2 Elite 8’s. In SR’s 5th year what had he already accomplished? Quite a bit, but it’s hard to argue he had accomplished more than KG at that point. |
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Post by beaveragain on Feb 17, 2019 0:15:17 GMT -8
That's an interesting apple Graves started with, including Jillian Alleyne as a player that he inherited, and Rueck's top recruiter who was paid almost as much as Rueck was at the time. By the way, cherry picking apples?
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Post by willtalk on Feb 17, 2019 15:31:04 GMT -8
One of my favorite stats from the night was bench points, where we outscored them 24-2. One thing I can assure you of is UO’s 6’6” Lydia Giomi be much further along if she was in Orange and Black. Our staff is simply much better at developing post players. It's pretty much common knowledge in basketball circles how good Oregon St is at developing post players. Thats a given! I would go to say that Lydia would be better off with just about any other program than she is at Oregon. She has all the tools to be an elite defensive presence. All you have to do is watch her in the pittance of court time Greaves gives her to see that. She is very quick and covers a huge defensive area. I would say she is the best defender on the Ducks team. She just gets so little time on the court to ever show what she can do. Greaves just does not value defense. If Giomi had any sense she would transfer out at the end of this season. She is certainly not going to get anymore time next season with Sabbely the younger becoming part of the rotation. He had to really have fed her some bs to keep her from transferring out after last season. The only frontcourt player they are losing is Gildon and she gets so few minutes now. I suspect he is just keeping her around for injury insurance. I suspect he doesn't see her as a fit for the program he runs. She could and would be starting and doing really well for many other programs as she is. She is just wasting her time at Oregon. I am not an Oregon hater ( though I am beginning to lean in that direction in respect to Greaves ) and want them to do well, but the truth is the truth. There just seems to be something disingenuous about Greaves. I just hope Lydia wises up and doesn't waste her last two years there. She is too good to be used as an insurance policy at the end of the bench. |
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Post by willtalk on Feb 17, 2019 16:01:11 GMT -8
So withing the last four days-- #5 Miss St loses to unranked Missouri:# 2 Louisville loses to #20 Miami
# 7 Maryland loses to # 14 Iowa #8 Marquette loses to unranked St Johns. with none of these games being close. Yet Oregon St is not a top ten team because they lose to Oregon on their home court?
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Post by bmoc on Feb 17, 2019 16:13:14 GMT -8
Another motivating factor for tomorrow night; if the Ducks prevail, they'll most likely move up to #2.
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Post by baseba1111 on Feb 17, 2019 16:57:44 GMT -8
So withing the last four days-- #5 Miss St loses to unranked Missouri:# 2 Louisville loses to #20 Miami # 7 Maryland loses to # 14 Iowa #8 Marquette loses to unranked St Johns. with none of these games being close. Yet Oregon St is not a top ten team because they lose to Oregon on their home court? Speaking for only myself, losing to the ucks or Furd isn't the issue. The current roster just isn't built for a rugged tourney run. Teams rarely go far being as one dimensional. Again my opinion. Polls can say whatever... results in the NCAA rarely follow polls. |
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Post by Judge Smails on Feb 17, 2019 17:08:29 GMT -8
So withing the last four days-- #5 Miss St loses to unranked Missouri:# 2 Louisville loses to #20 Miami # 7 Maryland loses to # 14 Iowa #8 Marquette loses to unranked St Johns. with none of these games being close. Yet Oregon St is not a top ten team because they lose to Oregon on their home court? Speaking for only myself, losing to the ucks or Furd isn't the issue. The current roster just isn't built for a rugged tourney run. Teams rarely go far being as one dimensional. Again my opinion. Polls can say whatever... results in the NCAA rarely follow polls. I’m pretty sure our girls are three dimensional. Otherwise they would have a hard time playing basketball. |
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