Offensive foul on Aleah

No... the subject was the "call" cost OSU the game. It didn't. And, it's not "reasonable", but the "assume" is... no matter the moniker you want to post under... it didn't... move on.

I post under my own screen name, don't have any ghost aliases. 

Page 4 of the Game Notes for the upcoming game with the Huskies makes for mildly interesting reading in the context of this thread.
It tells us that all of our losses have come when we have shot under 70% at the line.
It has all sorts of other stats about out FG%, TOs, opponent shooting percentages, etc. etc.
Now correlation does not imply causation, but there are many traditional indicators that tell us that, indeed, when the Beavers play poorly by several fundamental basketball measures, we end up (not surprisingly) losing.
This year especially, we are not good enough to beat much of the Pac-12 with our B game, and I don't even know if I would grade out our ASU game that charitably.

While I was not particularly impressed with the refs, for my own sanity I figure that somewhere in the course of a game, things even out. It is very hard for me to enjoy the nuances of the game if I get hung up on believing that the refs have an agenda. If you have evidence of such, please don't enlighten me, since I have retreated to watching very few sports in part because of how polarized the conversation has become, and how much we learn about the participants that is unsavory in nature.

Take the passion or depression after a loss out of the equation, and we all knew some of Jo's recent performances at the line, and even Mik's, could come back to haunt us in a close game. Kudos to ASU for putting together a game where it did come back to bite us (along with TOs, poor FG shooting, etc).

Luckily we still have season ahead to look forward to......I was impressed with how SR analyzed after the tournament Louisville loss that, other than for the National Champion, the season ends on a down note, and you have to keep perspective of the accomplishments of the entire season in mind and not get hung up on the season ending loss. This isn't even a season ending loss, so nothing to get too down about.

That is, as long as we beat the tar out of the Washington schools this week :-).

Go Beavers!

The one thing I hate about sports is that Refs can control a game. I remember watching the Arizona-Arizona St game earlier this year, and how Arizona used their hands to completely take Arizona State out of their game and come away with what I'm pretty sure is Arizona St's biggest loss. While watching I thought how some Ref's would call fouls on those hand checks, and Arizona wouldn't have had a chance. The Beaver men used to hand check quite a bit in the Ralph Miller era. Most of the time their pressure defense and hand checking was rewarded. Occasionally, they Refs would call fouls on the Beavs for those hand checks, and completely changed the game. The strike zone in Baseball is the same thing.....depending on what the umpire is calling, the game is completely different. Then, there are the missed calls (New Orleans anyone), that you absolutely hate, and can make one or two calls the difference in a game. Had Goodman gone to the line, the Beavs probably would have won, but still, they had their shot numerous times after and didn't get it done. The game could have went either way. Last year, the Beavs won all three OT games, this year they didn't get it done. The good news is, these girls are not going to be easy to beat, and there are plenty of games (tough, tough games) to go.

Here's one thing I don't like about basketball Refs (happens at every level). Watching the home OT victory last year over the Ducks, fouls were called on the Beavs numerous times when SI would drive for a shot. Many of those times, I couldn't see the contact, but star players get calls way too often because the Ref's anticipate plays, (and fouls).

Saying all of that, most Ref's do a good job considering the speed of the game. It's not easy, and I give them credit. I just wish there was perfection, and that's not possible.

As for the T's on SR, it would be interesting to see the percentage of times it's Missy Barlow, and how many T's Missy is calling on other teams. Remember the Ref who always called fouls on the Trail Blazers I can't even remember, was it Clyde?)? They are human, and do have human emotions no matter how neutral they are suppose to be.

I agree with most of what OSU82 wrote above. After re-watching video of Sunday's loss to ASU several times, it is apparent that we had numerous opportunities in regulation and in both overtimes to make key defensive stops and/or convert offensive opportunities that would have made the difference in a close game. Ibis was remarkable down the stretch and ASU did a very good job of screening to get her the ball with some space. The high release that Ibis has on her shot makes it difficult to block and she didn't seem to be fazed during the second half on Sunday when shooting over an outstretched arm of a defender.

However, the reference above seems to indicate that there are one-and-ones at the free throw line in women's collegiate basketball. This is at least the third season after that rule on the women's side was changed.

My take on playing it rough in the Pac-12 is that Stanford plays it pretty on the edge. Never nasty, but I imagine players have a lot bruises after playing them.

I find it annoying? that the refs call ticky tacky calls on stuff that didn't effect the game play, but Arike hits, trips, and uses her arm as a crow bar to pop the ball out and has never fouled out of a game.

I also had a flashback watching a video of the past week that showed Fuehring putting up her arms like an offensive lineman and driving someone back behind the backboard. That girl really plays football rather than basketball. And again, she hasn't fouled out yet this season. But someone maybe, possibly touched someone when it make no difference and watch those refs be outraged.