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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 22, 2019 8:04:39 GMT -8
With about 5 minutes to go in the 4th there was an offensive foul called on Aleah, and I haven't had a chance to go back and watch a replay. Usually when a foul is called, I can at least see what the ref might have seen to make the call, even if I don't agree. On this one, I don't have any idea what they even called. Has anyone seen the replay and could offer up what they saw? I believe we were up 3 or 4 with the ball at the time, so it was a significant play.
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Post by jefframp on Jan 22, 2019 9:36:37 GMT -8
I went back and watched the replay as I was at the game on the opposite side of the court when it happened. What I saw was Aleah making a head fake at the top of the key to fake out #4 who was guarding her. She was able to get past #4 and then #33 came over to guard her as Aleah drove to the hoop. Aleah veered a bit to her right away from #33 and continued to drive toward the baseline and went up for a bank shot. #33 was moving along with her (not set!) and there was a small amount of body contact as she went up for the shot. I think I may not have called any foul there but it definitely would have been on #33 if there was to be one called at all. Aleah did not use her left arm to push off and definitely changed her direction slightly to avoid contact.
Here is what announcer Ann Schatz said as the play occurred: "What a nice job by Goodman who basically put her head down and took the lane. She was able to..........OH! The calls going the other way!"
Rueck had an incredible look on his face and the crowd went nuts with boos.
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Post by believeinthebeavs on Jan 22, 2019 10:11:55 GMT -8
One of several poor calls in that game
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Post by woodchomp on Jan 22, 2019 10:17:23 GMT -8
Wasn't her last foul fishy too? I didn't get a good look or watch a replay but it seemed that the ASU player used her left hand quite a bit while driving and scoring. I didn't have a good angle but saw that hand come up. Some people who drive do it quite a bit and it can be hard to determine how much is ok.
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Post by wbosh15 on Jan 22, 2019 11:22:32 GMT -8
Thanks for everyone's input on this one. That was a really strange call and I was wondering if there was just something I didn't see.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 22, 2019 11:26:00 GMT -8
Another Anita Ortega special. We're already down two points when Missy Barlow officiates, she has rabbit ears and an agenda against SR, has called numerous TFs on him over the years.
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Post by 411500 on Jan 22, 2019 12:27:40 GMT -8
Aleah's drive: On A's dribble penetration down the right side of the lane she lacked solid body control as she was getting ready to leave the floor off her left foot. She is not out of control. But she certainly is not in control either. Some refs don't like to give the benefit to the offensive player when she is trending toward "out of control." I know I don't.
Personally, I thought it was a defensive foul. But there was so much contact the ref felt something had to be called...
I don't think Goodman had control of herself on this particular drive and the ref probably didn't want to reward her by calling a defensive foul.
The entire game was so physical, so much contact away from the ball (and on the ball), that the refs were constantly forced to make no-calls, or hurried on-the-spot calls where both players were partially at fault...
My take on things......
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Post by Tigardbeav on Jan 22, 2019 13:08:30 GMT -8
Wasn't her last foul fishy too? I didn't get a good look or watch a replay but it seemed that the ASU player used her left hand quite a bit while driving and scoring. I didn't have a good angle but saw that hand come up. Some people who drive do it quite a bit and it can be hard to determine how much is ok. Yeah, it was a pretty good push off by Richardson with her off arm. Really cleared out some space. But wadda going ta do I be interested to hear what Rueck said to get T'd up. Team did get on a run after the T though |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jan 22, 2019 13:54:04 GMT -8
Aleah's drive: On A's dribble penetration down the right side of the lane she lacked solid body control as she was getting ready to leave the floor off her left foot. She is not out of control. But she certainly is not in control either. Some refs don't like to give the benefit to the offensive player when she is trending toward "out of control." I know I don't. Personally, I thought it was a defensive foul. But there was so much contact the ref felt something had to be called... I don't think Goodman had control of herself on this particular drive and the ref probably didn't want to reward her by calling a defensive foul. The entire game was so physical, so much contact away from the ball (and on the ball), that the refs were constantly forced to make no-calls, or hurried on-the-spot calls where both players were partially at fault... My take on things...... Its funny. A few posters criticized USC for playing “physical” but I thought ASU played us much more physical (more borderline contact) than USC. |
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Post by 411500 on Jan 22, 2019 14:25:16 GMT -8
In my view USC and ASU are not in the same league when it comes to physical play. ASU is tougher and more physical by a distance. USC appears physical because they pressure the ball so tightly, and they swarm intensely, sometimes frenetically. They play a lot with their hands.
Observe ASU away from the ball - especially in the paint. They press the upper body, they deny access to the passing lanes. Plus they have big, thick athletes which makes their physical game even tougher. I personally believe that ASU is also more physical than USC on the offensive side of the ball. Their screens are closer and tighter. They bang. You gotta fight to get thru their screens. They deliver solid screens.
USC has a long way to go to match ASU's physicality - on both sides of the ball...
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Post by blackbug on Jan 22, 2019 16:09:40 GMT -8
Aleah's drive: On A's dribble penetration down the right side of the lane she lacked solid body control as she was getting ready to leave the floor off her left foot. She is not out of control. But she certainly is not in control either. Some refs don't like to give the benefit to the offensive player when she is trending toward "out of control." I know I don't. Personally, I thought it was a defensive foul. But there was so much contact the ref felt something had to be called... I don't think Goodman had control of herself on this particular drive and the ref probably didn't want to reward her by calling a defensive foul. The entire game was so physical, so much contact away from the ball (and on the ball), that the refs were constantly forced to make no-calls, or hurried on-the-spot calls where both players were partially at fault... My take on things...... The question could be, why is the offensive player slightly out of control? |
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Jan 22, 2019 16:10:08 GMT -8
I be interested to hear what Rueck said to get T'd up. Team did get on a run after the T though A source close to the action stated that Coach Rueck was defending a phantom foul call that had just been called on Pivec after Robbi Ryan went to the free throw line following a jump shot. Pivec had been chasing Ryan around a screen. That called foul was one of four second half fouls on the Beavs on jump shots that I watched on DVR (following a replay of the game) and wondered where the fouls were. It appeared when I watched that action live in Gill Coliseum that Barlow was anticipating that Pivec would rise from around the screen and challenge Ryan's jumper, but Pivec didn't go past the screen on that shot. Goodman, Washington, and Corosdale were all also called for closeout fouls on jump shots during the second half that didn't appear to involve any contact as I watched the replays multiple times. The Beavs appeared to be simply putting their hands up as they closed out. None were attempts to block those jumpers. Both Washington and Corosdale motioned after the called fouls as if there was no contact on those plays and they were surprised that a foul had been called. As for the Goodman charge, the replay showed that Johnson-Chapman was moving and had not squared herself as Goodman moved forward. The PAC-12 Network announcers appeared to agree and praised Goodman for drawing the foul. The Beavs were up by three points at the time. If Goodman had been awarded the foul and given her accuracy at the free throw line this season, the Beavs would likely have been looking at a five-point lead in the fourth quarter with some precious separation from ASU. It turned out to be a game-changing call. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 22, 2019 19:09:53 GMT -8
I be interested to hear what Rueck said to get T'd up. Team did get on a run after the T though A source close to the action stated that Coach Rueck was defending a phantom foul call that had just been called on Pivec after Robbi Ryan went to the free throw line following a jump shot. Pivec had been chasing Ryan around a screen. That called foul was one of four second half fouls on the Beavs on jump shots that I watched on DVR (following a replay of the game) and wondered where the fouls were. It appeared when I watched that action live in Gill Coliseum that Barlow was anticipating that Pivec would rise from around the screen and challenge Ryan's jumper, but Pivec didn't go past the screen on that shot. Goodman, Washington, and Corosdale were all also called for closeout fouls on jump shots during the second half that didn't appear to involve any contact as I watched the replays multiple times. The Beavs appeared to be simply putting their hands up as they closed out. None were attempts to block those jumpers. Both Washington and Corosdale motioned after the called fouls as if there was no contact on those plays and they were surprised that a foul had been called. As for the Goodman charge, the replay showed that Johnson-Chapman was moving and had not squared herself as Goodman moved forward. The PAC-12 Network announcers appeared to agree and praised Goodman for drawing the foul. The Beavs were up by three points at the time. If Goodman had been awarded the foul and given her accuracy at the free throw line this season, the Beavs would likely have been looking at a five-point lead in the fourth quarter with some precious separation from ASU. It turned out to be a game-changing call. No... it simply wasn't. Missing free throws was game changing. Harping on supposedly bad calls seen repeatedly thru replay is a loser's sour grapes mentality. Refs are human they can miss calls... they can have horrendous games. Typically when said official is having a terrible game they know it, they get testy, they give out Ts. But, players controlled their own destiny. Those supposedly bad officials allowed the Beavers to win this game in regulation in their own right. They didn't. Period. OSU was out muscled, out "temptoed", they lost to a talented, deep team. Focusing on officials after every loss makes such fans and the fan base look like those schools you and others espouse as inferior. Get over it... 15-3/5-1... move on. |
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Post by jdogge on Jan 22, 2019 19:18:27 GMT -8
With about 5 minutes to go in the 4th there was an offensive foul called on Aleah, and I haven't had a chance to go back and watch a replay. Usually when a foul is called, I can at least see what the ref might have seen to make the call, even if I don't agree. On this one, I don't have any idea what they even called. Has anyone seen the replay and could offer up what they saw? I believe we were up 3 or 4 with the ball at the time, so it was a significant play. That was two days ago. Look to the next weekend. Move on. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 22, 2019 19:28:12 GMT -8
Goodman's foul was called with 4:38 remaining, we were leading 52-49. She makes two, good chance, and we're up 54-49. We did not miss another FT in regulation (2-2), so "missing free throws" had nothing to do what transpired in the final 4:38 of regulation.
So yes, one can reasonably assume if that call goes the other way, we win the game. It didn't, we lost, and now move on.
But pointing out the truth isn't sour grapes.
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