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Post by gnawitall on Jan 18, 2019 13:44:16 GMT -8
We'll hit the wall hard at the end of the 19,20 campaign unless the coaches adopt some 4* players.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 18, 2019 13:54:28 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how this season goes. So the Beavs lost yesterday, it's looking to me like the conference champ, whoever it is, will probably have at least 2-3 conference losses.
I figure Ralph Miller inherited a better team than Tinkle did, and it still took him 10 years before he won a conference championship here. The Beavs still have a decent shot at finishing in the top 3-4 in the league, for some that may not be good enough, but it's a heck of a lot better than we've been the last 20 some odd years.
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 18, 2019 14:34:20 GMT -8
That was a gut-wrenching loss and major missed opportunity, but certainly not unexpected. On paper, it was also 1 of our 4 toughest conference games. I don't believe all is lost, but we need to bring one home from McKale now.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 14:45:59 GMT -8
Dammit. That was very nearly the comeback of centuries. Close doesn't count but still...this team has a kick. Good to see.
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Post by seastape on Jan 18, 2019 14:46:43 GMT -8
That was a gut-wrenching loss and major missed opportunity, but certainly not unexpected. On paper, it was also 1 of our 4 toughest conference games. I don't believe all is lost, but we need to bring one home from McKale now. Winning in Tucson would be a major boost. Hopefully Hell's fury doesn't ride with them from their loss to the slug eaters.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 18, 2019 15:32:49 GMT -8
After watching the game was wondering what was the deal with Tres. Is his ankle that bad that he can't run and dribble into a crowd without losing balance and falling over? Frankly, he probably should have not played yesterday. Have you ever had a fairly badly sprained ankle? Ankle "turns" go away in a couple days and can often be toughed out. I've had two semi-serious to serious ankle sprains, one I was back to tolerable but painful in a few days the other was WAY more painful than a couple of major knee injuries and a hamstring tear I've had over the years, ended up in a walking cast for weeks. It was obvious he was really bothered by it, just about every time he jumped or jump stopped and landed on that ankle he hit the floor. I'd bet that if the coaching staff knew ahead of time they wouldn't win, they'd have kept him in street clothes.
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Post by nabeav on Jan 18, 2019 15:46:57 GMT -8
Our only shot at the dance is winning the conference. Period. Not enough good conference teams to overcome a pretty weak non-conference schedule. ASU has that win over Kansas in their back pocket. UW took Gonzaga to the wire in Spokane. Other teams have non-con feathers in their cap....we don't.
I didn't see all of last night's game. I got home with about 10 minutes to go, so fully admit I saw the good part of the game. given that context, I was impressed with the shot making. Ethan, Stevie, Tres, Reichle, Hollins, G.....all were shooting with confidence. I read some people knocking the 1-3-1, but it was clearly giving ASU some trouble down the stretch. They hit a few 3's, but skip passes were sailing out of bounds, Tres was getting his hand on some balls up top.
Biggest thing to me was that when you get down by twenty points, basically EVERYTHING has to go your way to pull off the upset, and it very nearly did. Tres and Reichle both falling over after the steal in the backcourt when we were down one was a big killer. The other was getting that idiot from ASU to take a 17 foot jumper with less than a minute on the clock and plenty of time on the shot clock. IDEAL situation for us, but unfortunately the rebound went right to the unguarded dude (which will happen when you're trapping) and he stuffed it home. It really came down to a couple bounces of the ball, so I'm not sure it's really as bad as some of you are making it out to be. We were in a conference game on the road until the final shot, and you guys are acting like the season is a wash. PERSPECTIVE.
Also, whomever it was that said Tres and Ethan were the only difference makers at the Pac-12 level.....c'mon. Stevie is top five all time at OSU for points scored, has hit more game winning shots than anyone at OSU since.....Dino Tanner? He's the Victor Bolden of basketball. People kill him for his faults, but give him zero credit for what he is.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2019 16:22:04 GMT -8
After watching the game was wondering what was the deal with Tres. Is his ankle that bad that he can't run and dribble into a crowd without losing balance and falling over? Frankly, he probably should have not played yesterday. Have you ever had a fairly badly sprained ankle? Ankle "turns" go away in a couple days and can often be toughed out. I've had two semi-serious to serious ankle sprains, one I was back to tolerable but painful in a few days the other was WAY more painful than a couple of major knee injuries and a hamstring tear I've had over the years, ended up in a walking cast for weeks. It was obvious he was really bothered by it, just about every time he jumped or jump stopped and landed on that ankle he hit the floor. I'd bet that if the coaching staff knew ahead of time they wouldn't win, they'd have kept him in street clothes. Tres is what 20 years old? He can go through walls at his age and that's just getting started.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 18, 2019 17:11:19 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how this season goes. So the Beavs lost yesterday, it's looking to me like the conference champ, whoever it is, will probably have at least 2-3 conference losses. I figure Ralph Miller inherited a better team than Tinkle did, and it still took him 10 years before he won a conference championship here. The Beavs still have a decent shot at finishing in the top 3-4 in the league, for some that may not be good enough, but it's a heck of a lot better than we've been the last 20 some odd years. To be fair, we still have every chance to land at 10-8, 12-6, 13-5, in conference play. All of which would be the best conference record in... well s%#t, like forever and a day. Maybe in some other year that 12-6 (or even 10-8) gets us in the tourney. Not this year. It is what it is. I think if we keep .500 or better in conference play. if we win upper teens to twenty games. we are in the minimal acceptable place and we are building in the right direction. The issues at OSU extend beyond Tinkle. We have to be back to a consistently competing relevant team before we can expect to entertain 4* recruiting on anything more than a luck basis. Less than .500 conference record this year is an unacceptable result.
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Post by bennysdentist on Jan 18, 2019 17:47:08 GMT -8
It'll be interesting to see how this season goes. So the Beavs lost yesterday, it's looking to me like the conference champ, whoever it is, will probably have at least 2-3 conference losses. I figure Ralph Miller inherited a better team than Tinkle did, and it still took him 10 years before he won a conference championship here. The Beavs still have a decent shot at finishing in the top 3-4 in the league, for some that may not be good enough, but it's a heck of a lot better than we've been the last 20 some odd years. To be fair, we still have every chance to land at 10-8, 12-6, 13-5, in conference play. All of which would be the best conference record in... well s%#t, like forever and a day. Maybe in some other year that 12-6 (or even 10-8) gets us in the tourney. Not this year. It is what it is. I think if we keep .500 or better in conference play. if we win upper teens to twenty games. we are in the minimal acceptable place and we are building in the right direction. The issues at OSU extend beyond Tinkle. We have to be back to a consistently competing relevant team before we can expect to entertain 4* recruiting on anything more than a luck basis. Less than .500 conference record this year is an unacceptable result. Good points. But I still want a dance ticket!
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Post by jefframp on Jan 19, 2019 7:42:57 GMT -8
To be fair, we still have every chance to land at 10-8, 12-6, 13-5, in conference play. All of which would be the best conference record in... well s%#t, like forever and a day. Maybe in some other year that 12-6 (or even 10-8) gets us in the tourney. Not this year. It is what it is. I think if we keep .500 or better in conference play. if we win upper teens to twenty games. we are in the minimal acceptable place and we are building in the right direction. The issues at OSU extend beyond Tinkle. We have to be back to a consistently competing relevant team before we can expect to entertain 4* recruiting on anything more than a luck basis. Less than .500 conference record this year is an unacceptable result. What's wrong with 11-7?
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 19, 2019 8:03:27 GMT -8
Those kind of games can't happen if we want a shot a the dance. Can't score only 22 in the first half, come out flat in the second and try a miracle comeback (although it was close to being one). We played well in stretches and very poorly in others. Completely agree (play well / play poorly, all within the same game). What is particular galling to me is we don't seem to emphasize fundamentals enough. Check out the blocking out (or lack thereof) on the last basket of this highlight video (1:15 mark).......if the junior and senior would have put a body on someone instead of just watch the ball, we are down 2 with the ball on the last possession......opportunity lost. Need a split in AZ..... Go Beavers!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 10:24:18 GMT -8
Those kind of games can't happen if we want a shot a the dance. Can't score only 22 in the first half, come out flat in the second and try a miracle comeback (although it was close to being one). We played well in stretches and very poorly in others. Completely agree (play well / play poorly, all within the same game). What is particular galling to me is we don't seem to emphasize fundamentals enough. Check out the blocking out (or lack thereof) on the last basket of this highlight video (1:15 mark).......if the junior and senior would have put a body on someone instead of just watch the ball, we are down 2 with the ball on the last possession......opportunity lost. Need a split in AZ..... Go Beavers! hey PHD in CS, did you design that avatar? A lot going on there, i like it. Looks like you even got Gill in the background right behind where the beaver is crapping the little duck out.
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Jan 19, 2019 10:41:54 GMT -8
Completely agree (play well / play poorly, all within the same game). What is particular galling to me is we don't seem to emphasize fundamentals enough. Check out the blocking out (or lack thereof) on the last basket of this highlight video (1:15 mark).......if the junior and senior would have put a body on someone instead of just watch the ball, we are down 2 with the ball on the last possession......opportunity lost. Need a split in AZ..... Go Beavers! hey PHD in CS, did you design that avatar? A lot going on there, i like it. Looks like you even got Gill in the background right behind where the beaver is crapping the little duck out. I did not design the avatar. That artwork is from a mural on the wall of University Hero on 5th St. in Corvallis (best sub sandwiches in Corvallis, IMHO). Artist unknown, but I will ask next time I am in there so I can give proper credit. There are a couple of other murals on the wall in there that also express my love of the Beavers well, but this one also (as you noted) captures well my disdain of the 'ucks, so I turned it into my avatar...... Thanks for noticing! Go Beavers!
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