bill82
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Post by bill82 on Jan 7, 2019 8:44:24 GMT -8
LinkMaybe one/two-teams to the NCAA tournament. If we hold this spot, would the season be a success? 53 Washington 58 Arizona 67 Arizona St. 82 Oregon St.
85 Colorado 87 Oregon 89 UCLA 97 Utah 108 Southern California 126 Stanford 183 Washington St. 207 California
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 7, 2019 9:29:05 GMT -8
LinkMaybe one/two-teams to the NCAA tournament. If we hold this spot, would the season be a success? 53 Washington 58 Arizona 67 Arizona St. 82 Oregon St.
85 Colorado 87 Oregon 89 UCLA 97 Utah 108 Southern California 126 Stanford 183 Washington St. 207 California No. Success is making the big dance or winning the NIT. |
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Post by beaverstever on Jan 7, 2019 10:17:54 GMT -8
The stars have really lined up for the Beavs, and they need a top 3-4 finish and sneaking in a dance invite to be a successful season. They will need some good fortune (Tres staying healthy in particular), but there are reasons to hope/expect this is a year that should be special:
- Opening the season knocking off the preseason conference title favorite on the road (I don't give a rip about their injuries/transfers - it's a conference road win, all of which are tough to come by)
- 2 starters (one being best player) with 4 years in the program, 3 if one wasn't beaten out for a starting spot by a transfer center that is playing at an all-conference impact level, leading the NCAA in blocks. No starting freshman.
- Weakest Pac-12 since when CR made relative hay in conference play.
Tres opened conference play like he agrees with that definition of success as well.
And I don't read a lot into our troubles with a press being a longer term problem. That was some panic garbage that those players should have learned to avoid long before college ball. I fully expect that to be remedied simply by getting better decision makers into the right place on the press break, which is effectively what happened by the end of the game (and frankly saw some of that same type of garbage late in the UW game with the ladies by Rueck's players). I will be surprised (and very disappointed) if that particular struggle continues.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Jan 7, 2019 10:28:49 GMT -8
The stars have really lined up for the Beavs, and they need a top 3-4 finish and sneaking in a dance invite to be a successful season. They will need some good fortune (Tres staying healthy in particular), but there are reasons to hope/expect this is a year that should be special: - Opening the season knocking off the preseason conference title favorite on the road (I don't give a rip about their injuries/transfers - it's a conference road win, all of which are tough to come by) - 2 starters (one being best player) with 4 years in the program, 3 if one wasn't beaten out for a starting spot by a transfer center that is playing at an all-conference impact level, leading the NCAA in blocks. No starting freshman. - Weakest Pac-12 since when CR made relative hay in conference play. Tres opened conference play like he agrees with that definition of success as well. And I don't read a lot into our troubles with a press being a longer term problem. That was some panic garbage that those players should have learned to avoid long before college ball. I fully expect that to be remedied simply by getting better decision makers into the right place on the press break, which is effectively what happened by the end of the game (and frankly saw some of that same type of garbage late in the UW game with the ladies by Rueck's players). I will be surprised (and very disappointed) if that particular struggle continues. The adjustment made by WT in the last 5 minutes on Saturday looked like the solution they needed to break that press. Having Tres inbound the ball and getting the ball to KK or AV and letting them distribute from there seemed to work just fine. And we had also dealt with it fine for the first 30 minutes of the game as well so credit to uo for making an adjustment and forcing us to make one as well. I'm not worried about it long-term I don't think either. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 7, 2019 12:51:53 GMT -8
ucks going to a quick small lineup was a big factor - easier for them to front up and also to limit the chance to get that breakaway over the top to spoil the press. The press was especially giving Reichle fits, he had 5 TO for the game, most in that stretch before we went a bit smaller, and I admire his ability to maintain his focus and composure and hit those free throws at the end to pull away just enough for the win.
Any win away especially in conference , any win over the ucks, any win is big. Go Beavs!
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 7, 2019 14:18:51 GMT -8
The stars have really lined up for the Beavs, and they need a top 3-4 finish and sneaking in a dance invite to be a successful season. They will need some good fortune (Tres staying healthy in particular), but there are reasons to hope/expect this is a year that should be special: - Opening the season knocking off the preseason conference title favorite on the road (I don't give a rip about their injuries/transfers - it's a conference road win, all of which are tough to come by) - 2 starters (one being best player) with 4 years in the program, 3 if one wasn't beaten out for a starting spot by a transfer center that is playing at an all-conference impact level, leading the NCAA in blocks. No starting freshman. - Weakest Pac-12 since when CR made relative hay in conference play. Tres opened conference play like he agrees with that definition of success as well. And I don't read a lot into our troubles with a press being a longer term problem. That was some panic garbage that those players should have learned to avoid long before college ball. I fully expect that to be remedied simply by getting better decision makers into the right place on the press break, which is effectively what happened by the end of the game (and frankly saw some of that same type of garbage late in the UW game with the ladies by Rueck's players). I will be surprised (and very disappointed) if that particular struggle continues. The adjustment made by WT in the last 5 minutes on Saturday looked like the solution they needed to break that press. Having Tres inbound the ball and getting the ball to KK or AV and letting them distribute from there seemed to work just fine. And we had also dealt with it fine for the first 30 minutes of the game as well so credit to uo for making an adjustment and forcing us to make one as well. I'm not worried about it long-term I don't think either. I am not too worried about the press either. First, lets remember that teams use it for a reason... and two, of course we will work on it. Every team we face will look at that tape. I think our 4th place or better finish lies in the hands of Stevie. With all due respects to Tres, I just trust he will perform every game, barring injury. Stevie is they guy we need to step up and be the leader he is suppose to be. he HAS to be that 15PPG rock on the floor. We just can't weather any 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting in 39 minutes on the floor efforts (Kent St.) or 5 points on 2 for 11 shooting in 35 minutes (Texas A&M) or 10 points on 4 for 18 shooting in 38 minutes (St. Louis) anybody notice a common denominator in our losses, all of which have been close, all of which had scores in the 60's indicating a decent defensive effort? If Stevie is out there putting on a brick show, it is game over. Stevie is suppose to be our #1 or #2 scoring option in any given game at any given time. In games where he is, we win. period. Because Tres is going his part. Kelley is doing his part. Heck, generally Ethan is doing his part... Stevie is what is going to make or break the season. He needs to either become the consistent scorer he needs to be, or the coaches need to accept they cannot have a minute leech on the floor that isn't producing and put him on the bench for a couple minutes to get his head right. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 7, 2019 18:54:18 GMT -8
LinkMaybe one/two-teams to the NCAA tournament. If we hold this spot, would the season be a success? 53 Washington 58 Arizona 67 Arizona St. 82 Oregon St.
85 Colorado 87 Oregon 89 UCLA 97 Utah 108 Southern California 126 Stanford 183 Washington St. 207 California No. Success is making the big dance or winning the NIT. ...Says the guy who is hot to trot to go all Andersen on the basketball program. In part I'm kidding, in part I'm not. Sometimes the arbitrary "success" point can cause more grief than intended. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 7, 2019 19:05:49 GMT -8
The adjustment made by WT in the last 5 minutes on Saturday looked like the solution they needed to break that press. Having Tres inbound the ball and getting the ball to KK or AV and letting them distribute from there seemed to work just fine. And we had also dealt with it fine for the first 30 minutes of the game as well so credit to uo for making an adjustment and forcing us to make one as well. I'm not worried about it long-term I don't think either. I am not too worried about the press either. First, lets remember that teams use it for a reason... and two, of course we will work on it. Every team we face will look at that tape. I think our 4th place or better finish lies in the hands of Stevie. With all due respects to Tres, I just trust he will perform every game, barring injury. Stevie is they guy we need to step up and be the leader he is suppose to be. he HAS to be that 15PPG rock on the floor. We just can't weather any 3 points on 1 for 16 shooting in 39 minutes on the floor efforts (Kent St.) or 5 points on 2 for 11 shooting in 35 minutes (Texas A&M) or 10 points on 4 for 18 shooting in 38 minutes (St. Louis) anybody notice a common denominator in our losses, all of which have been close, all of which had scores in the 60's indicating a decent defensive effort? If Stevie is out there putting on a brick show, it is game over. Stevie is suppose to be our #1 or #2 scoring option in any given game at any given time. In games where he is, we win. period. Because Tres is going his part. Kelley is doing his part. Heck, generally Ethan is doing his part... Stevie is what is going to make or break the season. He needs to either become the consistent scorer he needs to be, or the coaches need to accept they cannot have a minute leech on the floor that isn't producing and put him on the bench for a couple minutes to get his head right. I'd mentioned Stevie and the use of a 2-3 minute "break" the moment he misses 4 in a row in an earlier post, he deserves to start and to play, but sometimes he has an off day and maybe he should get a few minutes less just to change momentum for both him and the team. As far as the press goes, except for a very few games where Bruce was getting minutes a couple years back, this team has been condistently poor at both inbounding and breaking the press, even with GP2 at the helm, under Coach T and crew. I just wonder how much this staff has ever emphasized it in practice. They are not far off from getting it right, hopefully they figured it out this game. |
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Post by mbabeav on Jan 7, 2019 23:02:39 GMT -8
LinkMaybe one/two-teams to the NCAA tournament. If we hold this spot, would the season be a success? 53 Washington 58 Arizona 67 Arizona St. 82 Oregon St.
85 Colorado 87 Oregon 89 UCLA 97 Utah 108 Southern California 126 Stanford 183 Washington St. 207 California It's not if we can hold, but if we can improve. With such a weak rated conference, beating everyone would still not put us much higher, and heaven forbid we lose to the last 5. Then it would be CBI city unless we won either the regular season title or the conference tourney. |
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Post by TheGlove on Jan 8, 2019 6:46:11 GMT -8
No. Success is making the big dance or winning the NIT. ...Says the guy who is hot to trot to go all Andersen on the basketball program. In part I'm kidding, in part I'm not. Sometimes the arbitrary "success" point can cause more grief than intended. I don’t even know what that means. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 8, 2019 13:22:14 GMT -8
LinkMaybe one/two-teams to the NCAA tournament. If we hold this spot, would the season be a success? 53 Washington 58 Arizona 67 Arizona St. 82 Oregon St.
85 Colorado 87 Oregon 89 UCLA 97 Utah 108 Southern California 126 Stanford 183 Washington St. 207 California No. Success is making the big dance or winning the NIT. Since Gary Payton I graduated, Oregon State has not had a winning record in conference and has not finished better than fifth in conference. IMHO, A fourth-place (or better) finish in the Pac-12, and a winning record in the Pac-12 is success. Too much of the rest comes down to things that are wholly outside of Oregon State's control. To put another way, if Oregon State's 9-9 record and sixth-place finish in 2016 are a "success," a 10-8 (or better) record and fourth-place finish (or better), should be as well. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Jan 8, 2019 17:04:36 GMT -8
No. Success is making the big dance or winning the NIT. Since Gary Payton I graduated, Oregon State has not had a winning record in conference and has not finished better than fifth in conference. IMHO, A fourth-place (or better) finish in the Pac-12, and a winning record in the Pac-12 is success. Too much of the rest comes down to things that are wholly outside of Oregon State's control. To put another way, if Oregon State's 9-9 record and sixth-place finish in 2016 are a "success," a 10-8 (or better) record and fourth-place finish (or better), should be as well. The "success" in '16 had zero to do with 9-9/6th. It was the "wholly outside of Oregon State's control" invite to the NCAAs. The true outlier in this era of OSU hoops isn't having a key injury cause a 5-27 season. There's been several conference teams struggle with injuries, talent finish 4-14 to 0-18. It's a 6th place Pac12 team make the tourney that doesn't/ hasn't/won't happen nearly as much. |
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