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Post by osuft3 on Dec 31, 2018 10:13:05 GMT -8
And then there's the Dastrop factor. Assuming that he eventually is cleared, he would likely take playing time in the 4 and 5 spot.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 31, 2018 11:05:49 GMT -8
I just wish Jack the best. For whatever reason it just didn't work out here and I accept that and hope he has great success moving forward in basketball and life. The emergence of Kelley has put the big man situation in a far different status than had been expected two months ago, and this is one of the results, IMO.
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 2, 2019 12:04:55 GMT -8
It wasn't that he lost time to Kelly... an upperclassman. It was that he couldn't even beat out Warren Washington for time. A fellow freshman. Wilson saw his future as a competition for time with Washington and quit.
That is the story.
Wilson was afforded all of 19 minutes this season, and in that time managed one rebound. Not exactly amazing for a 7 footer. He attempted 3 shots and made zero of them. His final stat line at OSU will be 19 minutes. 1 point, 1 rebound, one turnover. zero assists, zero blocks.
Look, I am disappointed in the team this year. A close road loss at St. Louis was mildly annoying, games we should be winning. But it was more back to the same ol' bulls%#t with the loss to Texas A&M and Kent State. 8-4 in an OOC slate that this team had EVERY SINGLE reason to be 12-0 in. 11-1 at worse.
We are persistently playing under our ability, that is on Tinkle. period.
however, with that said, it does nobody any good to pile on for reasons that are horses%#t. A back up leaving the team for playing time when a fellow freshman is beating him out, and an upperclassman has the job locked down for this season and next isn't exactly the stuff of nightmares. It does not spell utter doom and is not a portent for failure. Knock that s%#t off.
Results on the court aren't what they should be, that is where criticism is valid. Trying to make something from nothing here is just flapping gums. Tying to call a freshman that was wasn't breaking into the lineup after a third of their first season a failure of development is weak at best. But I do think you can question recruiting...
The kid saw a challenge ahead of him, and he back down. Not the stuff of champions.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 12:34:27 GMT -8
It wasn't that he lost time to Kelly... an upperclassman. It was that he couldn't even beat out Warren Washington for time. A fellow freshman. Wilson saw his future as a competition for time with Washington and quit. That is the story. Wilson was afforded all of 19 minutes this season, and in that time managed one rebound. Not exactly amazing for a 7 footer. He attempted 3 shots and made zero of them. His final stat line at OSU will be 19 minutes. 1 point, 1 rebound, one turnover. zero assists, zero blocks. Look, I am disappointed in the team this year. A close road loss at St. Louis was mildly annoying, games we should be winning. But it was more back to the same ol' bulls%#t with the loss to Texas A&M and Kent State. 8-4 in an OOC slate that this team had EVERY SINGLE reason to be 12-0 in. 11-1 at worse. We are persistently playing under our ability, that is on Tinkle. period. however, with that said, it does nobody any good to pile on for reasons that are horses%#t. A back up leaving the team for playing time when a fellow freshman is beating him out, and an upperclassman has the job locked down for this season and next isn't exactly the stuff of nightmares. It does not spell utter doom and is not a portent for failure. Knock that s%#t off. Results on the court aren't what they should be, that is where criticism is valid. Trying to make something from nothing here is just flapping gums. Tying to call a freshman that was wasn't breaking into the lineup after a third of their first season a failure of development is weak at best. But I do think you can question recruiting... The kid saw a challenge ahead of him, and he back down. Not the stuff of champions. Beavs lost their starting center to injury during the OOC. Also lost that other kid who quit. Can't remember his name. Drew Eubanks left early too. Ben Kone. That's 4 big men and and a small man who may or may not have played much, not available. Oh yeah Kendall Manual also flew the coop. forget anybody? That's a lot of departures. Difficult time.
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Post by ochobeavo on Jan 2, 2019 13:05:43 GMT -8
It wasn't that he lost time to Kelly... an upperclassman. It was that he couldn't even beat out Warren Washington for time. A fellow freshman. Wilson saw his future as a competition for time with Washington and quit. That is the story. Wilson was afforded all of 19 minutes this season, and in that time managed one rebound. Not exactly amazing for a 7 footer. He attempted 3 shots and made zero of them. His final stat line at OSU will be 19 minutes. 1 point, 1 rebound, one turnover. zero assists, zero blocks. Look, I am disappointed in the team this year. A close road loss at St. Louis was mildly annoying, games we should be winning. But it was more back to the same ol' bulls%#t with the loss to Texas A&M and Kent State. 8-4 in an OOC slate that this team had EVERY SINGLE reason to be 12-0 in. 11-1 at worse. We are persistently playing under our ability, that is on Tinkle. period. however, with that said, it does nobody any good to pile on for reasons that are horses%#t. A back up leaving the team for playing time when a fellow freshman is beating him out, and an upperclassman has the job locked down for this season and next isn't exactly the stuff of nightmares. It does not spell utter doom and is not a portent for failure. Knock that s%#t off. Results on the court aren't what they should be, that is where criticism is valid. Trying to make something from nothing here is just flapping gums. Tying to call a freshman that was wasn't breaking into the lineup after a third of their first season a failure of development is weak at best. But I do think you can question recruiting... The kid saw a challenge ahead of him, and he back down. Not the stuff of champions. Beavs lost their starting center to injury during the OOC. Also lost that other kid who quit. Can't remember his name. Drew Eubanks left early too. Ben Kone. That's 4 big men and and a small man who may or may not have played much, not available. Oh yeah Kendall Manual also flew the coop. forget anybody? That's a lot of departures. Difficult time. Here are the ones I remember: Malcolm Duvivier: Grad transfer, IIRC, death in the family and desire to be closer to his mom - went to Akron Keondre Dew: Kicked off team, no longer playing to my knowledge Derrick Bruce: Didn't go to class, went to JC in Florida and now at Texas Southern Kendall Manuel: Wanted more PT, i think he's at Montana Ben Kone: Sounded like a mutual separation to me. He's not playing anywhere at this time which is probably telling re: his health... Jordan Campbell: Cited family issues and need to be back home Jacquori McLaughlin: Fit/PT/Personal Issues have all been discussed on this board. Now at UCSB Jack Wilson: TBD Xavier Smith Walk-on last year, transferred to Idaho
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2019 13:22:47 GMT -8
Beavs lost their starting center to injury during the OOC. Also lost that other kid who quit. Can't remember his name. Drew Eubanks left early too. Ben Kone. That's 4 big men and and a small man who may or may not have played much, not available. Oh yeah Kendall Manual also flew the coop. forget anybody? That's a lot of departures. Difficult time. Here are the ones I remember: Malcolm Duvivier: Grad transfer, IIRC, death in the family and desire to be closer to his mom - went to Akron Keondre Dew: Kicked off team, no longer playing to my knowledge Derrick Bruce: Didn't go to class, went to JC in Florida and now at Texas Southern Kendall Manuel: Wanted more PT, i think he's at Montana Ben Kone: Sounded like a mutual separation to me. He's not playing anywhere at this time which is probably telling re: his health... Jordan Campbell: Cited family issues and need to be back home Jacquori McLaughlin: Fit/PT/Personal Issues have all been discussed on this board. Now at UCSB Jack Wilson: TBD Xavier Smith Walk-on last year, transferred to IdahoRunning off players can be an art form. But you have to backfill. Backfill, Wayne, BACKFILL!
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Post by beaverinohio on Jan 2, 2019 15:09:48 GMT -8
I'm sorry to see him go, but can certainly understand it. He basically got recruited over and like many these days chose to transfer. While I don't like to see players transfer, it is a part of the college basketball landscape these days. According to the Verbal Commits transfer page, there have been 83 players who have transferred from a Pac 12 school from 2016 through a couple of hours ago when Abu Kigab from Oregon announced he was transferring. UCLA has had the least (2), followed by Stanford with 3. Utah has the most with 14.
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Post by obf on Jan 3, 2019 7:42:49 GMT -8
Beavs lost their starting center to injury during the OOC. Also lost that other kid who quit. Can't remember his name. Drew Eubanks left early too. Ben Kone. That's 4 big men and and a small man who may or may not have played much, not available. Oh yeah Kendall Manual also flew the coop. forget anybody? That's a lot of departures. Difficult time. Here are the ones I remember: Malcolm Duvivier: Grad transfer, IIRC, death in the family and desire to be closer to his mom - went to Akron Keondre Dew: Kicked off team, no longer playing to my knowledge Derrick Bruce: Didn't go to class, went to JC in Florida and now at Texas Southern Kendall Manuel: Wanted more PT, i think he's at Montana Ben Kone: Sounded like a mutual separation to me. He's not playing anywhere at this time which is probably telling re: his health... Jordan Campbell: Cited family issues and need to be back home Jacquori McLaughlin: Fit/PT/Personal Issues have all been discussed on this board. Now at UCSB Jack Wilson: TBD Xavier Smith Walk-on last year, transferred to IdahoIMHO, the problem isn't with retention, as you point out many of the players that transffered didn't go on to have tremendous success, and in reality a lot of that reterntion was squarely on the player/situation, not the coaches (WT, can't go to class for the boys, he can't forsee deaths, he cant cure homesickness...) IMHO the really issue is initial talent evaluation TO BEGIN WITH. Very similar to QA going after no position, high star ATH, or high star NO WAY THEY WILL EVER GET IN TO SCHOOL players. I get it, you can't teach height and all that, but to be honest, height isn't what has killed us the last few years, it is shooting... How about going out and recruiting some skill, not stars or size. This team good do with a good infusion of DRIBBLING skill, SHOOTING skill PASSING skill, and lock down, side to side guard defense skill. Regardless of size or stars...
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Post by bennyskid on Jan 3, 2019 10:52:54 GMT -8
Utah has the most with 14.
I think this is indicative. Coaches at places like Utah and OSU have to take a few more risks than the guy at Stanford or UCLA. Krystkowiak apparently is taking a lot of risks (14 in 3 years? Whoa!), but if the alternative is settling for 2-star recruits because half of the 4-star guys from SoCal don't survive their first Provo winter . . . well, it's probably worth it. I don't think it means that Krystkowiak isn't a good coach or that he's running off the players. He simply is weighing the risks and executing a strategy that has worked fairly well for the last 7 years. I don't think Tinkle is doing anything different.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 3, 2019 12:47:36 GMT -8
The University of Utah is in Salt Lake City, not Provo.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 3, 2019 13:07:05 GMT -8
The University of Utah is in Salt Lake City, not Provo. That is obviously the reason that they keep losing players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 16:48:32 GMT -8
More like Pete Best every game?
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Post by beavs6 on Jan 11, 2019 18:19:11 GMT -8
With how KK, and now WW are playing...it is starting to make more sense that Wilson decided to move on.
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