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Post by bennysdentist on Dec 29, 2018 9:38:15 GMT -8
The goal every year should be a ticket to the dance. As such, the success at meeting this goal should be the measuring stick.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2018 10:33:26 GMT -8
The goal every year should be a ticket to the dance. As such, the success at meeting this goal should be the measuring stick. Good luck with that goal. 1 out of the last 28 years.
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osu82
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Post by osu82 on Dec 29, 2018 11:16:52 GMT -8
The goal every year should be a ticket to the dance. As such, the success at meeting this goal should be the measuring stick. Goals should include being in the mix for conference titles, being a serious threat to win a conference tournament for NCAA seeding, and making post-season tournaments. Perhaps not every year, but more years than not. Being a head coach at a Pac-12 conference school is the big-time in the profession. The bar for performance is high, as it should be. Tinkle is pulling down north of $1 million/yr. You get 4,5,6 years to build a program, but you have to produce at this level. And he's getting a salary commensurate with those expectations. Playing .500 basketball doesn't cut it. Being a low tier Pac-12 team doesn't cut it. And yes, the fans are voting with their feet and pocketbooks. 3-4,000 in Gill for the games says it all.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 29, 2018 12:26:28 GMT -8
The goal every year should be a ticket to the dance. As such, the success at meeting this goal should be the measuring stick. And yes, the fans are voting with their feet and pocketbooks. 3-4,000 in Gill for the games says it all. Actually, doesn't say much, because crowds will increase significantly once Pac-12 play begins. Nonleague games over finals and Christmas seldom draw more than 4500k. Keep turning over those rocks.
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osu82
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Post by osu82 on Dec 29, 2018 12:43:53 GMT -8
And yes, the fans are voting with their feet and pocketbooks. 3-4,000 in Gill for the games says it all. Actually, doesn't say much, because crowds will increase significantly once Pac-12 play begins. Nonleague games over finals and Christmas seldom draw more than 4500k. Keep turning over those rocks. Idk...women just had 7K+ in Gill for Duke game and are consistently out drawing the men's team.. The market is there for getting people in the seats, if the product created the demand.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Dec 29, 2018 13:17:17 GMT -8
And yes, the fans are voting with their feet and pocketbooks. 3-4,000 in Gill for the games says it all. Actually, doesn't say much, because crowds will increase significantly once Pac-12 play begins. Nonleague games over finals and Christmas seldom draw more than 4500k. Keep turning over those rocks. OSU's last game vs Kent had the highest attendance of all the non-conference games at Gill to date.. and it was played at noon on a Friday
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 29, 2018 13:34:53 GMT -8
And yes, the fans are voting with their feet and pocketbooks. 3-4,000 in Gill for the games says it all. Actually, doesn't say much, because crowds will increase significantly once Pac-12 play begins. Nonleague games over finals and Christmas seldom draw more than 4500k. Keep turning over those rocks. I'll just take one target you never touch on. Leaving the rest as you don't counter you change... as tossing out a season of coaching... or even better a tenure at Montana means anything. See a guy like Mike Montgomery actually excelled afterward. I'm sure you'll come up with how easy it was to build at Furd... lol... always some meaningless caveat. So the 3rd or 4th time asked... IF WT is superior... coaching, recruits... why slightly worse results in a weaker league?
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Post by rafer on Dec 29, 2018 15:07:22 GMT -8
Actually, doesn't say much, because crowds will increase significantly once Pac-12 play begins. Nonleague games over finals and Christmas seldom draw more than 4500k. Keep turning over those rocks. I'll just take one target you never touch on. Leaving the rest as you don't counter you change... as tossing out a season of coaching... or even better a tenure at Montana means anything. See a guy like Mike Montgomery actually excelled afterward. I'm sure you'll come up with how easy it was to build at Furd... lol... always some meaningless caveat. So the 3rd or 4th time asked... IF WT is superior... coaching, recruits... why slightly worse results in a weaker league? OK, wizard of C town, Who is your coaching find that we all don't know about, and how do you get them here?? I know you must have someone in mind, cause you seem to know everything. Give us a name dam it... And no, I have no love or hate for WT...
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 29, 2018 15:19:07 GMT -8
I'll just take one target you never touch on. Leaving the rest as you don't counter you change... as tossing out a season of coaching... or even better a tenure at Montana means anything. See a guy like Mike Montgomery actually excelled afterward. I'm sure you'll come up with how easy it was to build at Furd... lol... always some meaningless caveat. So the 3rd or 4th time asked... IF WT is superior... coaching, recruits... why slightly worse results in a weaker league? OK, wizard of C town, Who is your coaching find that we all don't know about, and how do you get them here?? I know you must have someone in mind, cause you seem to know everything. Give us a name dam it... And no, I have no love or hate for WT... Ya.. that's it. Not seeing progress, little development, poor recruiting for about $2 mil a year, and results less than a guy people still diss on. Simple to see, don't have to know much or have the next coach in mind to know this program needs immediate improvement or a change. Because of course if we can't come up with a superior candidate before the job is open, we just stay the course. Lol... that logic has made the rounds here since the start of the site. Better stick with this guy, no way we'll get someone better!
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2018 15:22:22 GMT -8
OK, wizard of C town, Who is your coaching find that we all don't know about, and how do you get them here?? I know you must have someone in mind, cause you seem to know everything. Give us a name dam it... And no, I have no love or hate for WT... Ya.. that's it. Not seeing progress, little development, poor recruiting for about $2 mil a year, and results less than a guy people still diss on. Simple to see, don't have to know much or have the next coach in mind to know this program needs immediate improvement or a change. Because of course if we can't come up with a superior candidate before the job is open, we just stay the course. Lol... that logic has made the rounds here since the start of the site. Better stick with this guy, no way we'll get someone better! Less results than CR? When did CR get us to the dance? It’s one thing to think we could find someone better, it’s plain crazy to think CR is better than Tinks.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 29, 2018 15:52:04 GMT -8
Ya.. that's it. Not seeing progress, little development, poor recruiting for about $2 mil a year, and results less than a guy people still diss on. Simple to see, don't have to know much or have the next coach in mind to know this program needs immediate improvement or a change. Because of course if we can't come up with a superior candidate before the job is open, we just stay the course. Lol... that logic has made the rounds here since the start of the site. Better stick with this guy, no way we'll get someone better! Less results than CR? When did CR get us to the dance? It’s one thing to think we could find someone better, it’s plain crazy to think CR is better than Tinks. Again that damn reading affliction you have. Get some help. Folks don't want to waste key strokes to keep explaining basic concepts.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 29, 2018 15:55:23 GMT -8
Less results than CR? When did CR get us to the dance? It’s one thing to think we could find someone better, it’s plain crazy to think CR is better than Tinks. Again that damn reading affliction you have. Get some help. Folks don't want to waste key strokes to keep explaining basic concepts. At least I know how to spell baseball. I’m done with you for now. Heading to the game.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 29, 2018 17:21:56 GMT -8
For everyone that wants a replacement for Tinkle, just remember that it's very unlikely OSU is going to get their first, second, or maybe even third choice for head coach. I know there's definitely more coaches that will say no to coaching here than say yes.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 29, 2018 17:46:41 GMT -8
For everyone that wants a replacement for Tinkle, just remember that it's very unlikely OSU is going to get their first, second, or maybe even third choice for head coach. I know there's definitely more coaches that will say no to coaching here than say yes. My posts mimic some others but... I've pointed out my opinions on WT... I've pointed out that his tenure at this point is below the level, W/L wise, to a coach roundly criticized... I've stated that the yearly exodus of HIS recruits is becoming alarming... I've stated that there are plenty of good coaches (because it's a given there are good coaches at over 1000 D1-D3 type schools), some who'd come to OSU for 1 mil+... I've said WT is basically "living off" a tourney appearance that was more situational (how many 19-13/9-9/6th place Pac12 teams have made the tourney in the last 20 years?) than about his coaching... I've stated OSU can't really afford to fire him... I've stated this team needs to be upper 1/3 of Pac12, NIT at least or year 6 is tourney or bust... I've stated he should NEVER EVER been given an extension after year 2 (not his fault)... I've stated no matter the thoughts of apologists and low self esteem fans you don't keep mediocre out of fear you can't do better. I've never said he should be fired... yet. There's a Pac12 season to go and 10-8, 2 Pac12 tourney wins will cool his seat.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 29, 2018 17:49:47 GMT -8
For everyone that wants a replacement for Tinkle, just remember that it's very unlikely OSU is going to get their first, second, or maybe even third choice for head coach. I know there's definitely more coaches that will say no to coaching here than say yes. There are people here who won't believe that.... "Just 30 years ago OSU was the 4th winningest school in the country, that proves any good coach can win here!"... Pretty sure I've heard a version of that on this board plenty of times about 3-5 years into several coaches' tenures.
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