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Post by Werebeaver on Dec 17, 2018 22:22:14 GMT -8
How do folks who care about the program feel about our Head Coach's job performance in this, his 13th season?
He's certainly had plenty of time to show how far he's capable of taking the program nationally. I for one think that 2 (barely) top 10 finishes in 12 seasons and no national champions or national finalists is not in keeping with OSU wrestling's proud tradition and the program seems like it could benefit from new energy at the top.
Now if Dhesi wins it all and Bresser finishes top 3, I'll be happy to eat my words.
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Zalesky
Dec 18, 2018 5:44:05 GMT -8
Post by bhowren on Dec 18, 2018 5:44:05 GMT -8
My biggest concern is seeing guys seem to regress in their time in the program. Haven't seen improvement. This program has a good tradition. I don't want to see it as an Also Ran, which is where I think it is now. I feel the school needs to find a great coach! We aren't going to compete with the likes of ASU, let alone on the national stage. Which is what the goal should be, in my opinion! Even if Bresser and Dhesi both win it, I think they are getting much instruction outside of the program. I am sure Zalesky is a great guy, and knows wrestling. But the program is stagnating and needs new energy! Before it is too late and Tradition is forgotten!
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Zalesky
Dec 18, 2018 7:34:26 GMT -8
Post by ochobeavo on Dec 18, 2018 7:34:26 GMT -8
How do folks who care about the program feel about our Head Coach's job performance in this, his 13th season? He's certainly had plenty of time to show how far he's capable of taking the program nationally. I for one think that 2 (barely) top 10 finishes in 12 seasons and no national champions or national finalists is not in keeping with OSU wrestling's proud tradition and the program seems like it could benefit from new energy at the top. Now if Dhesi wins it all and Bresser finishes top 3, I'll be happy to eat my words. Next year is shaping up to be REALLY bad IMO. Other than Willits, I'm not seeing anyone who I'd consider a hammer or potential hammer. Last year's class was decent but those guys aren't ready, certainly hope I'm wrong. We should be recruiting so much better given we are the only D1 program in Oregon/Washington/Idaho. Also, side note - Rich and Meeker are no longer wrestling... Not that either were big contributors - watched Rich a ton in high school, bummer that the success didn't translate. |
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Dec 18, 2018 9:44:17 GMT -8
Post by osbrawler on Dec 18, 2018 9:44:17 GMT -8
Yes, the program could have 2 finalists this season if everything works out alright. Coach has gotten a few to the semi's at NCAA's (Waterson, Meeks, maybe one other); but none to the finals.
Yeah, I hoped for a team trophy (top 4) by this point in time. Being on an island with no other D1 teams close by has hurt the program IMO. PSU, BSU, uo. We need those guys to 'push' us; well at least the later two.
If the new AD and assistants care about the sport and think they can do better, maybe they make a move? Its my understanding Dan B., Assistant AD is well connected to the wrestling community.
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Zalesky
Dec 18, 2018 11:35:07 GMT -8
Post by ochobeavo on Dec 18, 2018 11:35:07 GMT -8
Yes, the program could have 2 finalists this season if everything works out alright. Coach has gotten a few to the semi's at NCAA's (Waterson, Meeks, maybe one other); but none to the finals. Yeah, I hoped for a team trophy (top 4) by this point in time. Being on an island with no other D1 teams close by has hurt the program IMO. PSU, BSU, uo. We need those guys to 'push' us; well at least the later two. If the new AD and assistants care about the sport and think they can do better, maybe they make a move? Its my understanding Dan B., Assistant AD is well connected to the wrestling community. If they are well connected to the wrestling community and believe it's time for change, give Josh Rhoden a call please! What he's been doing at Clackamas has been incredible. |
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Zalesky
Dec 21, 2018 0:44:10 GMT -8
Post by blastingsand on Dec 21, 2018 0:44:10 GMT -8
Great guy, very good guy and had some success here and close to what we are all looking for.
I think the program was just hit badly with the two long time assistants leaving/kicked out back to back.
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Zalesky
Dec 22, 2018 20:17:22 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on Dec 22, 2018 20:17:22 GMT -8
Great guy, very good guy and had some success here and close to what we are all looking for. I think the program was just hit badly with the two long time assistants leaving/kicked out back to back. He's in his 13th season. He has shown what he can accomplish at OSU. Question for OSU AD and OSU wrestling supporters: Is it good enough? |
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Zalesky
Dec 25, 2018 12:10:07 GMT -8
Post by jefframp on Dec 25, 2018 12:10:07 GMT -8
Seems to me he has had similar success as the previous coach, Joe Wells. Not an endorsement but maybe that's as good as it gets?
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Zalesky
Dec 25, 2018 13:22:31 GMT -8
Post by Werebeaver on Dec 25, 2018 13:22:31 GMT -8
Seems to me he has had similar success as the previous coach, Joe Wells. Not an endorsement but maybe that's as good as it gets? It's not "as good as it gets". Not even close. Wells coached OSU Wrestling teams to 2nd and 4th at Nationals. And 2 additional top 10 finishes. 2nd at nationals in 1995 (matching Dale Thomas' 2nd in 1973) was the best NCAA finish by any OSU team between the 1962 NCAA XC Championship and the 2006 NCAA Baseball Championship (43 years). Before Pat Casey many thought that OSU baseball eeking out a winning season in conference might be "as good as it gets" considering the powerhouses in UA, ASU, Stanford and USC. How could OSU baseball ever hope to compete in conference against them, let alone nationally? I know the landscape in wrestling has changed but OSU should absolutely expect to be a top ten program nationally in wrestling. If not, put the program out of its misery and redirect that money into a men's track program that wound have immediate synergies with football recruiting. I don't say that lightly. I've followed OSU wrestling since the days of Strobel, Hagen and Phillips. It desperately needs new blood. |
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Zalesky
Dec 25, 2018 19:28:45 GMT -8
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Post by jenbeav on Dec 25, 2018 19:28:45 GMT -8
I like others is very concerned i see kids taking steps back and a lot more standing around later in the careers at OSU. The great wrestlers and or programs. I.E Penn State, Iowa they wrestle for bonus points they dont get a 3 or 4 point lead and stall they go for tech or the fall all together! I definietly think its time for new blood but we need a name. ASU got Zeke and instantly got a top recruiting class. Zalesky is pass and doesnt have the fire and meeks and other assistants are no huge names to bring kids in. We lose out on top oregon wrestlers every year!! Time to move on! Think if we could of kept some oregon kids instate? Van Anrroys? Berger? Whittlake? Etc. Shoot get these boys and we be 10 ten easily at nationals.
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Zalesky
Dec 25, 2018 21:14:56 GMT -8
Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 25, 2018 21:14:56 GMT -8
At least two of the Van Anroys were at OSU, and were not anything special, if I remember.
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Zalesky
Dec 26, 2018 7:47:02 GMT -8
Post by ochobeavo on Dec 26, 2018 7:47:02 GMT -8
At least two of the Van Anroys were at OSU, and were not anything special, if I remember. Drew won a national title for Luther (DIII) after he left OSU - of course it's hard to say how that would have translated if he had stayed, but I think they both would have been competitive. Layne is at Michigan now @ 157, but I don't think he would have beaten out Willits. (EDIT: Just remembered Willits beat Layne earlier this year at Cliff Keen tourney in LV) The senior group of in-state kids seems a little down compared to last couple years and the top 2 kids are heading out of state. Sean Harman of West Linn -> Missouri and Legend Lamer of CV -> Cal Poly - Lamer won Reno TOC last weekend. I believe Ein Carlos out of N. Salem is still uncommitted. He won a national folkstyle title last summer - he's a 2x Oregon state champ. |
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Zalesky
Dec 26, 2018 7:54:49 GMT -8
Post by osbrawler on Dec 26, 2018 7:54:49 GMT -8
Looking back '13 was a big year that could have been for the program. Took home 3 AA's but should have had 5. That season #3 seed Mangrum came one match short of AA. #4 see Hanke lost in the same round. They should have joined: Sak, Pena, Meeks on the medal stand. That could have pushed the team to the 4-5-6 range. Top 4 get a team trophy.
That also makes a difference on recruiting and making an impression on youngsters coming up through the ranks. Success leads to success.
In Z's time the program has a new practice facility, locker room, lounge, competition mat, endowment fund revitalization, etc. He has 100+ dual meet wins, conf. championships but not the success at the Nat. level. I think top 10 has always been the goal. Bob DeCarolis said during the hire that getting to the top of the conf. was a goal, and then that would get us to the top 10. As mentioned above we have been their twice.
There have also been some negatives with members of the coaching staff & wrestlers off the mats.
If the program makes a change, it should be careful to ensure there isn't an exodus of recruits to other schools. Referencing the new transfer rules. A change could mean a ground up change.
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Zalesky
Dec 29, 2018 12:29:51 GMT -8
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Post by jenbeav on Dec 29, 2018 12:29:51 GMT -8
At least two of the Van Anroys were at OSU, and were not anything special, if I remember. The one older Drew was a starter and Reed redshirted because we had Pena in front of him,both went on to be all American's at D2 but there younger brother is at Michigan right now and another went D2 and was successful. |
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Zalesky
Dec 29, 2018 12:31:49 GMT -8
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Post by jenbeav on Dec 29, 2018 12:31:49 GMT -8
At least two of the Van Anroys were at OSU, and were not anything special, if I remember. The one older Drew was a starter and Reed redshirted because we had Pena in front of him,both went on to be all American's at D3 but there younger brother is at Michigan right now and another went D2 and was successful. |
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