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Post by avidbeaver on Dec 16, 2018 10:21:44 GMT -8
They shot 8-15 from the line. That is a not acceptable outcome. Can't be shooting around 50% from the line and expect to be winning any close games. The misses that hurt the worse was when the Beavers were down one late in the game. Pivec, Tudor, and Slocum were a combined 8-25 from the field. Chalk it up as a bad game. Its early in the season. I don't think the sky is falling. If the same things happen late in the season that would change my opinion about how far this team could go in the postseason.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 16, 2018 11:04:07 GMT -8
Pivec is a 74% career FT shooter. She will figure it out.
Expectations for this team were way, way too high. You can't lose a player of Marie's ability and not be impacted, especially with AA not available. Sweet 16 for this team is the plateau, I think.
SR is a good coach. I expect he will figure some things out and we will improve. We always have in the past.
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Post by osu82 on Dec 16, 2018 11:29:25 GMT -8
They shot 8-15 from the line. That is a not acceptable outcome. Can't be shooting around 50% from the line and expect to be winning any close games. The misses that hurt the worse was when the Beavers were down one late in the game. Pivec, Tudor, and Slocum were a combined 8-25 from the field. Chalk it up as a bad game. Its early in the season. I don't think the sky is falling. If the same things happen late in the season that would change my opinion about how far this team could go in the postseason. Yeah, Pivec might be getting the "yips" on free throws now. She shouldn't be shooting 49% like she has been so far, and she's been solid at the line in previous seasons. OSU was down one with 22 secs to go and if Pivec had made both free throws OSU might have pulled that one out. Maybe. That said, TAMU basically led this game the whole way from very early on, so it's hard to lay the loss on one thing. I think this game is illustrative of the trouble that OSU is going to have in games where they don't have the 3-ball going. |
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Post by osu82 on Dec 16, 2018 12:43:54 GMT -8
Pivec is a 74% career FT shooter. She will figure it out. Expectations for this team were way, way too high. You can't lose a player of Marie's ability and not be impacted, especially with AA not available. Sweet 16 for this team is the plateau, I think. SR is a good coach. I expect he will figure some things out and we will improve. We always have in the past. For some perspective, OSU was 5-2 and ranked #19 after last year's Maui Jim. The losses were true road games at #6 Notre Dame and #16 Duke. So far, this year's away games have been neutral court. OSU never had #8 ranking last year until season's end. Their loss to USC in LA was their only loss to an unranked team last year. So, yes, expectations (and ranking) are too lofty probably for where this team is at this year. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 16, 2018 13:22:32 GMT -8
The 2017-18 Notre Dame game was at Gill.
Still, you are right in concurring that people's expectations got totally out of hand in the offseason.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 14:12:25 GMT -8
Our guards gave up way too many early buckets to set T&M up, our D at the top of the key was exposed. I don't know if anyone noticed the pre-game warm ups, we had a couple dancing and joking around while T&M had their game face on. I think we may have been out-foxed by believing their game the day before meant anything (for both teams). Thank God for Katie and Jo (and the refs) in the 3rd. But playing 1.5 qtrs cost us. It does expose us for next month IMO.
I agree with other posts about our games thus far, winning by 50 and getting ahead of ourselves may not be the best thing for our PAC12 play. SR and the team are more than competent and its not all doom and gloom as I know we will be ultra competitive and come up with some big surprises when needed. But not exposing PM to some competition thus far may hurt us, all over the country teams are seeing great results from freshmen and we have an injured AA, Jo is coming along amazing but not a 30 min player. PM getting some pressure and experience early may have been good for us but we went for big wins giving her no time.
Watching the Stanford/Baylor game man i was impressed, they are going to be tough. Can we run and out gun without total reliance on our post? I think they will eat our inside up. It's gunna be fun watching the coaching staff work it out and see how they adapt.
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Post by osu82 on Dec 16, 2018 16:47:35 GMT -8
The 2017-18 Notre Dame game was at Gill. Thanks, I stand corrected. |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 16, 2018 17:10:13 GMT -8
" teams are seeing great results from freshmen" From what I can see historically and presently the posts able to help in their freshman season is few and far between. The transition from HS to college is just too great for most posts. Posts in HS tend to stand by the basket and try to block shots on defense, and wait for someone to pass them the ball and drop it in the basket on offense. College adds way more complications that takes time to learn. I suspect that by her senior year Trish will be outplaying most of the players ranked ahead of her in HS. But for now she needs time to learn some basics.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 19:27:46 GMT -8
" teams are seeing great results from freshmen" From what I can see historically and presently the posts able to help in their freshman season is few and far between. The transition from HS to college is just too great for most posts. Posts in HS tend to stand by the basket and try to block shots on defense, and wait for someone to pass them the ball and drop it in the basket on offense. College adds way more complications that takes time to learn. I suspect that by her senior year Trish will be outplaying most of the players ranked ahead of her in HS. But for now she needs time to learn some basics. So next year she can't play/impact and the new frosh is in the same category and we have to wait 2-3 years for a post to be ready. Experience in games was my point, we played many games winning by large margins knowing she is 'not' ready and yet did not give her an opportunity to get some experience. The best time to learn the basics is on the court in live game situations, these games would have served us better with her getting the hard lessons. The stats look good though (winning margins). |
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Post by jegerklog on Dec 16, 2018 19:31:32 GMT -8
I agree with beaveragain. I realize that CR has to spend as much game time as possible trying to figure out different lineup scenarios this year and Trish has a ways to go before she can be a meaningful part of this. However, I enjoy seeing her come in, even if briefly. For her height, she is quite athletic. But I also see the point made by Beaverfan32.
There seems to be a lot of upsets this year and I assume this will continue. The Duke game could be exciting.
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 16, 2018 20:27:54 GMT -8
"So next year she can't play/impact and the new frosh is in the same category and we have to wait 2-3 years for a post to be ready" If Trish is as good as Marie (ie a future all-american)
then she will average 4 pts and 4 rbnds a game next year. Jan, Maddie along with AA (I hope), Kennedy, and Taylor will work the middle along with Trish and we will find out who gets the
most minutes next season. Kennedy and Taylor are further along in their BBIQ than Trish since they haven't split their time with other sports as Trish did so we can hope that one of them
could be one of those few and far between types, but don't bet on it. But for now it's obvious that in SR's judgement Jan and Maddie are the best backup's for Jo and that is why they
have gotten so much time in the games. I will say that in my opinion that Trish is the only natural rebounder other than Mik that OSU has had since Ruth deserted us. Marie was decent,
but like most of her game it was a construction of time and effort and did not come naturally to her.
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Post by beavertd on Dec 17, 2018 13:13:51 GMT -8
Chennedy Carter and the other guard schooled us for 47 points. Not sure why some seem so obsessed with our interior. If we decided to actually play perimeter defense in the first half, it could have been a different game. Give A & M credit, they executed their offense well and shot extremely well against the Beavers. Chennedy Carter is an elite player. We will see many more in our future.
It seemed we obviously came out super flat both games in Hawaii. Works fine against Eastern Washington. A disaster against better teams. They have to crank up the intensity level. I hope this game was enough of a wake up call. Finally dialing up the defense deep into the second quarter is not a recipe for success.
Katie stepped it up in the second half, but we need 2-3 players who are willing to put the team on their back during hard times. I haven't seen that yet. Playing time and rotations might be having an effect on that. I think the talent is there, but the clear leadership and defined playing time is not. Who is our go to player in crunch time? I'm not sure.
I agree with all of you, time to dial back the expectations. Realistically I have to accept that we may be more like a 3-4 place Pac-12 team and not a 1 or 2. Conference play will be interesting.
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Post by lotrader on Dec 17, 2018 14:47:04 GMT -8
Chennedy Carter and the other guard schooled us for 47 points. Not sure why some seem so obsessed with our interior. If we decided to actually play perimeter defense in the first half, it could have been a different game. Give A & M credit, they executed their offense well and shot extremely well against the Beavers. Chennedy Carter is an elite player. We will see many more in our future.
It seemed we obviously came out super flat both games in Hawaii. Works fine against Eastern Washington. A disaster against better teams. They have to crank up the intensity level. I hope this game was enough of a wake up call. Finally dialing up the defense deep into the second quarter is not a recipe for success.
Katie stepped it up in the second half, but we need 2-3 players who are willing to put the team on their back during hard times. I haven't seen that yet. Playing time and rotations might be having an effect on that. I think the talent is there, but the clear leadership and defined playing time is not. Who is our go to player in crunch time? I'm not sure.
I agree with all of you, time to dial back the expectations. Realistically I have to accept that we may be more like a 3-4 place Pac-12 team and not a 1 or 2. Conference play will be interesting.
Nice post. I really think you identified one of the issues and that is the player rotation. Primary rotation needs to be tightened down to Pivec, Tudor,Corosdale, Slocum, McWilliams, Goodman (maybe Maddie W?). Outside of that, I'm sure JG & Janessa will see some minutes. It really is a challenge because I think our 2 freshman are better than JG & Janessa. Difficult challenge for coaching staff. With regard to the points scored by the Texas A&M backcourt, I put some of that on our BIGs. When your perimeter players have to sag off defensively to help your BIGs, it means you cannot be aggressive defensively on the perimeter. The individuals who have shown me they can take over a game and get us a bucket so far have been: 1. Aleah Goodman, 2. Katie McWilliams. Pivec would be on that list as well, but Mikayla will have to find a solution for her free-throw shooting woes to climb back on the "clutch" list. I think Destiny is still trying to figure out how best to support this team, and, when she does, I'm sure Destiny will be a player that can be counted on in the clutch. I think the Beavs will play great on Thursday at home. This group generally responds well to a loss, and, I'm sure practice will be intense this week, and, next week. GO BEAVS! |
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Post by beaveragain on Dec 17, 2018 16:12:11 GMT -8
"Primary rotation needs to be tightened down to Pivec, Tudor,Corosdale, Slocum, McWilliams, Goodman (maybe Maddie W?). Outside of that, I'm sure JG & Janessa will see some minutes." The
TAM game was pretty much that rotation and I think that's what it will be for the season from now on. Except that SR obviously feels differently from you about Jo. Interestingly the TAM
coach also feels differently about Jo as he mentioned that when she was in there they couldn't do much inside. I think I'll take their opinion and the fact that the team was up 11 pnts
when Jo was in the game and go with Jo as being the best choice at the 5. But you feel free to keep spreading all over the internet that Jo is the absolute worst, ok lotrader?
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Post by lotrader on Dec 17, 2018 16:56:59 GMT -8
"Primary rotation needs to be tightened down to Pivec, Tudor,Corosdale, Slocum, McWilliams, Goodman (maybe Maddie W?). Outside of that, I'm sure JG & Janessa will see some minutes." The TAM game was pretty much that rotation and I think that's what it will be for the season from now on. Except that SR obviously feels differently from you about Jo. Interestingly the TAM coach also feels differently about Jo as he mentioned that when she was in there they couldn't do much inside. I think I'll take their opinion and the fact that the team was up 11 pnts when Jo was in the game and go with Jo as being the best choice at the 5. But you feel free to keep spreading all over the internet that Jo is the absolute worst, ok lotrader? All over the internet? I've expressed my opinion about JG at the "Boneyard" and this site. It's pretty well accepted that opinions are expressed about teams, individual players, etc., on these two sites. |
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