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Post by beaverwbb fan on Oct 30, 2018 13:09:22 GMT -8
Thank you, beavershoopsfan, for correcting me about Pivec. I was writing that mostly off of recollection and for some reason thought there were more floor-leader descriptions than just the one. Regardless, it is all based upon personnel on the team as you alluded to. And it also depends a large deal on when the prospect is being eveluated, AAU vs. HS seasons.
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 30, 2018 13:30:04 GMT -8
Easier to move a point guard to a shooting guard than the other way around. That statement assumes that the point guard is an effective outside shooter and has the size to defend other two guards. D1 women's basketball teams throughout the nation are littered with point guards who can't shoot consistently from either mid-range or from beyond the arc. Consequently, those point guards are rather limited in their ability to play the 2 (shooting guard) position effectively. I would agree with believeinthebeavs' statement above in that the majority of 2 guards at the D1 women's level don't handle the ball effectively enough or pass well enough to make a smooth transition to point guard in order to provide meaningful minutes against Top 20-level competition. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 31, 2018 5:53:17 GMT -8
I know that Hannah Jump is listed as a PG on Hoopgurlz, but even if you read her descriptions they say “off-guard”. Just take a look back at Mik’s Hoopgurlz profile she is listed as a PG and described as a “lead-guard” she is definitely a combo-guard rather than lead-guard. Slocum, while described as a “combo-guard” has proven to be a lead guard with scoring abilities, especially from deep. I am pretty sure we recruited Jump. I think she is a really good shooter. Kiana Williams, who we were the runner up for, would have been playing a lot of guard if Marta Sniezek wasn’t injured. No doubt Tara recruits top PGs with high frequency. In any event, Pivec is a combo guard whose size and strength is better suited to play the 2 (off guard), assuming that she can shoot well enough from beyond the arc to keep defenses honest. Slocum's ballhandling skills and 5'7" height have "point guard" written all over them. How well Destiny is suited to playing off the ball on occasion as a "combo guard" remains to be seen. ESPNW's Dan Olson does, as beaverwbbfan writes above in his post, refer to Slocum as a "combo guard" in at least two of his written evaluations on that site (see second link below for Slocum's evaluation during her high school years). I haven't seen Slocum play at any level without the ball consistently being in her hands at the point guard position. On the Beavs, Slocum may not prove to be among the top three or four three-point shooters on the team during '18-'19. Recall that Mik won the 3-point shooting contest for high school women, and tied the men's champion in a shoot-off as well, so I think she can shoot the 3 plenty good. My theory for last year is she was spending so much energy ball handling at PG that both her 3 point shooting and finishing at the rim were affected.... When I looked up the above factoid, I learned something interesting about Mik's closest competition at the 3 point shoot out..... Go Beavers! |
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Post by 411500 on Oct 31, 2018 8:19:15 GMT -8
A brief comment or two about point guards and scoring.
For many point guards it is difficult to run the offence AND be an effective shooter. The responsibility of making sure all players are properly aligned, keeping track of screens being set timely and properly, making sure that floor spacing is appropriate, is about all that some Points can handle. To ask them to also take an open shot when it presents itself is no easy task. They are so trained to distribute that shooting doesn't feel right even though they "know" it's the right thing to do. I've seen many good shooters take a nose dive in shooting percentage when shifted to point guard.
Don't get me wrong. This is not true of all point guards. But it's true for a lot of them...
Point guard is as close to quarterback as basketball gets. And for many players handling added responsibility cramps their shooting style...Many point guards literally have to be forced not to overpass - to take their open shot.
The good ones are good because they can handle the executive duties of point AND nail their open shots, even create for themselves once in a while. They are special, and rare.
At least that's been my experience with point guards....
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Oct 31, 2018 9:59:01 GMT -8
I fully agree that it can be difficult for a point guard to try to fulfill the duties of a point guard (be a leader, bring the ball up the floor, assist the ball) while also trying to score. Especially for a player like Mik, who is not a natural PG. A lot of teams also took advantage of the fact that we didn’t have a true PG (USC, UCLA, Tennessee) and pressured the heck out of her. At that point, she was exerting a tremendous amount of her energy on just getting the ball past half court and distributing it to a teammate.
This is why we are so fortunate to have Destiny eligible this season. As a freshman, Destiny broke Maryland’s freshman records for assists and 3 Pt. FG. Very impressive especially given it was at a traditional powerhouse program. Destiny is one of those few PGs who is equally good at scoring and distributing (11ppg and 6 apg as a freshman). Not to mention she will be playing with two players who also have experience at the point (McWilliams and Pivec) a lot of the time to help out. I really hope we can cut down on the turnovers this year as those have been a problem, despite the fact that we were usually able to overcome it.
Having Destiny is going to make our team better in so many ways...
GO BEAVS!
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Post by beavershoopsfan on Oct 31, 2018 13:11:39 GMT -8
This is why we are so fortunate to have Destiny eligible this season. As a freshman, Destiny broke Maryland’s freshman records for assists and 3 Pt. FG. Very impressive especially given it was at a traditional powerhouse program. Destiny is one of those few PGs who is equally good at scoring and distributing (11ppg and 6 apg as a freshman). Not to mention she will be playing with two players who also have experience at the point (McWilliams and Pivec) a lot of the time to help out. I really hope we can cut down on the turnovers this year as those have been a problem, despite the fact that we were usually able to overcome it. Having Destiny is going to make our team better in so many ways... GO BEAVS! I certainly agree that having another quality ball handler and guard with the ability to put the ball on the floor and drive against man-to-man defenses will be extremely helpful for the Beavs during '18-'19. However, let's give Slocum a chance to make her own mistakes at the point. It will happen. She will make turnovers against the quality athletes that the Beavs will play during the non-conference season and within PAC-12 play. A lot of people on this board will need to be prepared to see some rust on her competitive game early in the season and must be patient for her to produce consistently at the high level that we are all hoping for. The amount of hype from this board and other media that is being placed on Slocum prior to her first game in an OSU uniform has been enormous. Slocum averaged 3.1 turnovers per game in addition to her 6.0 assists per game as a frosh. That turnover figure would have led the Beavs last season. She will have to limit that turnover figure in her point guard role and floor general for the Beavs. Slocum shot 40.5% overall from the field and 66.3% from the free throw line as a freshman during '16-'17 while at Maryland. I know that she is capable of better shooting. Until Slocum has a chance to show what she can do for the Beavs, let's all be prepared to give her the chance to find her way as the floor leader for the Beavs. She won't have to be a savior. This team has some other weapons. |
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Post by lotrader on Oct 31, 2018 18:33:30 GMT -8
Recall that Mik won the 3-point shooting contest for high school women, and tied the men's champion in a shoot-off as well, so I think she can shoot the 3 plenty good. My theory for last year is she was spending so much energy ball handling at PG that both her 3 point shooting and finishing at the rim were affected.... When I looked up the above factoid, I learned something interesting about Mik's closest competition at the 3 point shoot out..... Go Beavers! Excellent find BeaverFever! You are so right about Mik's 3-point prowess. The kid is nails. We are loaded with excellent 3-point shooters, and, with Mik's experience handling the ball all last year at the point, she is going to be a handful this year. I believe Mik could be our leading scorer this year. FYI: your theory about Mik last year is also nails. |
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Post by 411500 on Nov 6, 2018 11:23:57 GMT -8
Things are not likely to get easier for the Beavs when it comes to Stanford WBB....
It has been pointed out here by several posters that Stanford recruits the very best year in and year out....
Well, it might get worse in a week or so...
Haley Jones, agreed upon by most everyone as the best girl h.s. player in the nation, may very well sign on the dotted line with Stanford next week.
She has kept things very close to the vest in her recruitment - including the fact that Oregon has somehow, someway, muscled in for her final visit when they have hardly been in the picture this past year.
However, if Notre Dame doesn't get her I think Stanford will.....
I bring this up not because I'm a big Stanford fan, but only because if she does sign with Stanford we will see a LOT of her over the next few years, and it won't be fun...
GO BEAVS !!
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 6, 2018 13:22:23 GMT -8
Things are not likely to get easier for the Beavs when it comes to Stanford WBB.... It has been pointed out here by several posters that Stanford recruits the very best year in and year out.... Well, it might get worse in a week or so... Haley Jones, agreed upon by most everyone as the best girl h.s. player in the nation, may very well sign on the dotted line with Stanford next week. She has kept things very close to the vest in her recruitment - including the fact that Oregon has somehow, someway, muscled in for her final visit when they have hardly been in the picture this past year. However, if Notre Dame doesn't get her I think Stanford will..... I bring this up not because I'm a big Stanford fan, but only because if she does sign with Stanford we will see a LOT of her over the next few years, and it won't be fun... GO BEAVS !! At least she isn't going to UCONN, Baylor or Tennessee |
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Post by beaverwbb fan on Nov 6, 2018 14:30:59 GMT -8
I was always curious as to whether or not Rueck and Co. were ever recruiting Haley Jones. My guess is that if we were recruiting her, it was not heavily, as we weren’t among her 9 finalists. I actually thought she would have been a really good fit here. She seems like the type of person Rueck goes after, and she has a skill set that fits his system too. Similar to KtMac in that she is a big wing with PG skills.
With Stanford loading up, this makes 2020 that much more important to us. Hopefully we can get a few from the pool of Goforth, Van Lith, Clark, Bueckers, etc.
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