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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 27, 2018 16:42:22 GMT -8
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Post by sabzi on Oct 27, 2018 16:58:28 GMT -8
Stream 48-34 at the half No true PG is going to be an issue at times. Wilson is very impressive physically for a freshman and will push for starter minutes.
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 27, 2018 18:57:22 GMT -8
Starters looked like they are ready to pick up where they left off. Zach showed the improvement that we would expect from freshman to sophomore year. Big G looked in tune with the system, "played with his head on a swivel" with good awareness and positioning. I'm sure he'll start and do just fine for us, although he won't ever be a big scorer. Washington showed quick hands, but was lost a lot. I thought Kelley was the biggest surprise of the new players - very fluid and active for a big. Once he learns the system better he might take Big G's starting spot. I agree that Wilson is physically impressive for a freshman, but he's way behind the others in pretty much every other way. Campbell couldn't get out of his own way and fouled out - it's hard to evaluate him from this game. Vernon had a hard time getting into the flow, as well - he'll need time to learn the system, too.
Final score was 103-51. Montana Tech simply ran out of steam as the game went on.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 27, 2018 19:05:48 GMT -8
Starters looked like they are ready to pick up where they left off. Zach showed the improvement that we would expect from freshman to sophomore year. Big G looked in tune with the system, "played with his head on a swivel" with good awareness and positioning. I'm sure he'll start and do just fine for us, although he won't ever be a big scorer. Washington showed quick hands, but was lost a lot. I thought Kelley was the biggest surprise of the new players - very fluid and active for a big. Once he learns the system better he might take Big G's starting spot. I agree that Wilson is physically impressive for a freshman, but he's way behind the others in pretty much every other way. Campbell couldn't get out of his own way and fouled out - it's hard to evaluate him from this game. Vernon had a hard time getting into the flow, as well - he'll need time to learn the system, too. Final score was 103-51. Montana Tech simply ran out of steam as the game went on. And... it seems even vs far inferior competition still took 31% off their shots from 3. Even in exhibition 4 guys dominated the minutes. Hoping to see minutes of development as the NC goes on. These 4 are not winning Pac12 games without depth.
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Post by beaverbeliever71 on Oct 27, 2018 19:29:13 GMT -8
Starters looked like they are ready to pick up where they left off. Zach showed the improvement that we would expect from freshman to sophomore year. Big G looked in tune with the system, "played with his head on a swivel" with good awareness and positioning. I'm sure he'll start and do just fine for us, although he won't ever be a big scorer. Washington showed quick hands, but was lost a lot. I thought Kelley was the biggest surprise of the new players - very fluid and active for a big. Once he learns the system better he might take Big G's starting spot. I agree that Wilson is physically impressive for a freshman, but he's way behind the others in pretty much every other way. Campbell couldn't get out of his own way and fouled out - it's hard to evaluate him from this game. Vernon had a hard time getting into the flow, as well - he'll need time to learn the system, too. Final score was 103-51. Montana Tech simply ran out of steam as the game went on. And... it seems even vs far inferior competition still took 31% off their shots from 3. Even in exhibition 4 guys dominated the minutes. Hoping to see minutes of development as the NC goes on. These 4 are not winning Pac12 games without depth. Whats an acceptable % of shots being 3 point shots? 25%? 17%? And does % matter if the 3 point shots are good open shots for the players who can make them?
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Post by bennyskid on Oct 27, 2018 19:51:44 GMT -8
It's a fair cop - for the first third of the game, the team had a hard time getting any sort of offensive flow and settled for not-particularly-smart threes too often. After Tech wore down, the offense improved.
But on the other hand - you really should take Blaser's shots out of the stats. The guys were trying way to hard to give the walk-on a score, and he was hurling up some real junk.
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 27, 2018 21:24:05 GMT -8
I thought that most of our first-half performance could be explained by the fact that players were being rotated in piecemeal and groups of players that were playing together had not been practicing together as units. In the second half when the coach decided to shift over to playing the first string for 10 minutes solid the game just simply got totally away from our opponents. I thought all of our big guys ran the floor extremely well and we have a lot of depth. And before people try to cut things up into too fine of points just remember that a few years ago we lost to Western Oregon in one of these exhibition games. Tonight the outcome was never really in doubt and that's the way I liked it.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Oct 27, 2018 22:45:33 GMT -8
I thought that most of our first-half performance could be explained by the fact that players were being rotated in piecemeal and groups of players that were playing together had not been practicing together as units. In the second half when the coach decided to shift over to playing the first string for 10 minutes solid the game just simply got totally away from our opponents. I thought all of our big guys ran the floor extremely well and we have a lot of depth. And before people try to cut things up into too fine of points just remember that a few years ago we lost to Western Oregon in one of these exhibition games. Tonight the outcome was never really in doubt and that's the way I liked it. I would agree with what you're saying here. It looked like WT was wanting the team to work on certain plays that they might not be completely comfortable with at the moment. I noticed in the first half players calling a couple of plays that WT then adamantly expressed that he didn't want to run right there. This game seemed very much like the trial run it was set up to be and I am not overly concerned with the slow start that we saw in the first 5 minutes or so.
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Post by albanianbeav on Oct 28, 2018 0:11:34 GMT -8
I liked what I saw from the Beavs across the board. I agree the biggest surprise was Kelley. Very composed and looked athletic. He has potential. Big g hit a couple baseline jumpers, which was also a pleasant surprise, but the downside is he wasn’t very effective inside, which is where I would rather see his progress. I was disappointed that we didn’t get to see more of our new pgs. It was a pretty disjointed game with a lot of fouls called. I think that impacted what wt wanted to do with personnel. Hollins, Reichle, Vernon, and Campbell all got two quick fouls when they got it (Hollins started).
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 28, 2018 12:00:35 GMT -8
Yesterday was a great day in Beaver sports! While we are all basking in the glory of winning against CU in football, landing Kennedy Brown in WBB, hearing that the 'ucks lost, etc. allow me to provide a perhaps somewhat contrarian view from other posters of what I saw sitting in Gill yesterday.
First - the good. Love the new LED lighting, and the video screens! Major upgrade. A nice touch was whatever they did to the lighting during intros to make everyone's orange in the audience glow..... This team seems to ooze with potential. Kelley looks very good. Washington also looks like he will contribute. Jack Wilson has the most bulk of the bigs and we will need that when Gligs departs. Speaking of Gligs, he showed a deft touch on the midrange a couple of times, which will be an asset. He also canned a 3, as did Washington, which might be beneficial in pulling opposing Pac-12 bigs away from the rim, since most of our bigs are big in height but not in width..... Campbell threw down an amazing dunk during warm ups, some serious athleticism there. Reichle seems much improved and played with purpose.
Now - the not so good. I sure hope the plan was to remind us of how we dribbled around the perimeter with no obvious plan or play call last year, because I sure got reminded of that.... We also did not see our new ball-handlers due to foul problems, I would have like to have seen more. Ethan will be an adequate PG, but I did not see much Pac-12 level nifty ball handling from him in this game. The coaches kids seemed to have a ball sharing cabal going amongst them selves, and also seemed to want to take most all of the shots, though that got a bit better in the second half. We were definitely playing keep away from our own bigs for the first 3/4 of the game - I can't recall a single entry pass into the paint in the first half. Since I am a Montana Tech alum as well, it did my heart good to see smaller NAIA guards take advantage of some fundamentals breakdown on our part in not moving our feet or staying in front of our opponent to drive right to the rim, but as a die-hard Beaver it did leave me a bit perplexed (since this was mostly happening to players who have been in our system for a while). Tech players also seemed to get an inordinate number of rebounds even when we had several of our players in the paint, including when we went to a twin towers look in the second half. If we shoot FTs like we did yesterday we will have regrets in tight games that come down to a few points difference.
It's early, and many of these gripes I have are correctable. I look forward to that happening. I don't think we will be in the top half of the conference this year, but I do think we will be improved overall. I think we have the ability to make it to the post season (likely NIT, from the limited sampling on display yesterday) with the added depth and talent, but I did not walk out of Gill blown away by our team's play.....
Fondest moment yesterday - teaching my 17 year old about the Beaver fight song. He has been admitted to OSU for next Fall, and will be a third generation Beaver (his Mom, Dad [me] and grandfather [my dad] all graduated from OSU, and looks like there are more Beavers to come from this family!).
Go Beavers!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 16:22:42 GMT -8
Yesterday was a great day in Beaver sports! While we are all basking in the glory of winning against CU in football, landing Kennedy Brown in WBB, hearing that the 'ucks lost, etc. allow me to provide a perhaps somewhat contrarian view from other posters of what I saw sitting in Gill yesterday. First - the good. Love the new LED lighting, and the video screens! Major upgrade. A nice touch was whatever they did to the lighting during intros to make everyone's orange in the audience glow..... This team seems to ooze with potential. Kelley looks very good. Washington also looks like he will contribute. Jack Wilson has the most bulk of the bigs and we will need that when Gligs departs. Speaking of Gligs, he showed a deft touch on the midrange a couple of times, which will be an asset. He also canned a 3, as did Washington, which might be beneficial in pulling opposing Pac-12 bigs away from the rim, since most of our bigs are big in height but not in width..... Campbell threw down an amazing dunk during warm ups, some serious athleticism there. Reichle seems much improved and played with purpose. Now - the not so good. I sure hope the plan was to remind us of how we dribbled around the perimeter with no obvious plan or play call last year, because I sure got reminded of that.... We also did not see our new ball-handlers due to foul problems, I would have like to have seen more. Ethan will be an adequate PG, but I did not see much Pac-12 level nifty ball handling from him in this game. The coaches kids seemed to have a ball sharing cabal going amongst them selves, and also seemed to want to take most all of the shots, though that got a bit better in the second half. We were definitely playing keep away from our own bigs for the first 3/4 of the game - I can't recall a single entry pass into the paint in the first half. Since I am a Montana Tech alum as well, it did my heart good to see smaller NAIA guards take advantage of some fundamentals breakdown on our part in not moving our feet or staying in front of our opponent to drive right to the rim, but as a die-hard Beaver it did leave me a bit perplexed (since this was mostly happening to players who have been in our system for a while). Tech players also seemed to get an inordinate number of rebounds even when we had several of our players in the paint, including when we went to a twin towers look in the second half. If we shoot FTs like we did yesterday we will have regrets in tight games that come down to a few points difference. It's early, and many of these gripes I have are correctable. I look forward to that happening. I don't think we will be in the top half of the conference this year, but I do think we will be improved overall. I think we have the ability to make it to the post season (likely NIT, from the limited sampling on display yesterday) with the added depth and talent, but I did not walk out of Gill blown away by our team's play..... Fondest moment yesterday - teaching my 17 year old about the Beaver fight song. He has been admitted to OSU for next Fall, and will be a third generation Beaver (his Mom, Dad [me] and grandfather [my dad] all graduated from OSU, and looks like there are more Beavers to come from this family!). Go Beavers! Good post Sending 2 freshman in with your 1 next fall. Go beavs
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 28, 2018 16:36:34 GMT -8
Yesterday was a great day in Beaver sports! While we are all basking in the glory of winning against CU in football, landing Kennedy Brown in WBB, hearing that the 'ucks lost, etc. allow me to provide a perhaps somewhat contrarian view from other posters of what I saw sitting in Gill yesterday. First - the good. Love the new LED lighting, and the video screens! Major upgrade. A nice touch was whatever they did to the lighting during intros to make everyone's orange in the audience glow..... This team seems to ooze with potential. Kelley looks very good. Washington also looks like he will contribute. Jack Wilson has the most bulk of the bigs and we will need that when Gligs departs. Speaking of Gligs, he showed a deft touch on the midrange a couple of times, which will be an asset. He also canned a 3, as did Washington, which might be beneficial in pulling opposing Pac-12 bigs away from the rim, since most of our bigs are big in height but not in width..... Campbell threw down an amazing dunk during warm ups, some serious athleticism there. Reichle seems much improved and played with purpose. Now - the not so good. I sure hope the plan was to remind us of how we dribbled around the perimeter with no obvious plan or play call last year, because I sure got reminded of that.... We also did not see our new ball-handlers due to foul problems, I would have like to have seen more. Ethan will be an adequate PG, but I did not see much Pac-12 level nifty ball handling from him in this game. The coaches kids seemed to have a ball sharing cabal going amongst them selves, and also seemed to want to take most all of the shots, though that got a bit better in the second half. We were definitely playing keep away from our own bigs for the first 3/4 of the game - I can't recall a single entry pass into the paint in the first half. Since I am a Montana Tech alum as well, it did my heart good to see smaller NAIA guards take advantage of some fundamentals breakdown on our part in not moving our feet or staying in front of our opponent to drive right to the rim, but as a die-hard Beaver it did leave me a bit perplexed (since this was mostly happening to players who have been in our system for a while). Tech players also seemed to get an inordinate number of rebounds even when we had several of our players in the paint, including when we went to a twin towers look in the second half. If we shoot FTs like we did yesterday we will have regrets in tight games that come down to a few points difference. It's early, and many of these gripes I have are correctable. I look forward to that happening. I don't think we will be in the top half of the conference this year, but I do think we will be improved overall. I think we have the ability to make it to the post season (likely NIT, from the limited sampling on display yesterday) with the added depth and talent, but I did not walk out of Gill blown away by our team's play..... Fondest moment yesterday - teaching my 17 year old about the Beaver fight song. He has been admitted to OSU for next Fall, and will be a third generation Beaver (his Mom, Dad [me] and grandfather [my dad] all graduated from OSU, and looks like there are more Beavers to come from this family!). Go Beavers! If he dare venture here... his moniker is now set stone!
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 29, 2018 10:40:43 GMT -8
Three more thoughts about the exhibition - one of the most difficult things to do is go in against a small team - trying to guard someone 4 or 5 inches smaller than you is really difficult if they have any quicks or ball skills. You're literally forced to play down at their level. It is a recipe for hand check and slap on the wrist fouls.
Second, about the fouls - I really thought that the refs should have swallowed their whistles when both teams were in the double bonus with 11 minutes left in the first half. There was no continuity in the game with a foul called every 20 seconds.
Third, If the coaches had been more interested in just crushing MT, they would have not substituted the way they did especially in the first half. In the second half they looked more at the starting five and unit substitution, and it seemed like MT went about 10 minutes without scoring. The MT coaches used the game the same way, but we could have won by 80. The centers were forced to shoot from the 3 to score because they weren't seeing many passes inside, but we have a much stronger squad than last year to say the least, and I think we can finish in the top half of the conference. This game wasn't a real indicator of anything tho, so the rest of the preseason is going to tell us a lot more.
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 29, 2018 10:46:49 GMT -8
Starters looked like they are ready to pick up where they left off. Zach showed the improvement that we would expect from freshman to sophomore year. Big G looked in tune with the system, "played with his head on a swivel" with good awareness and positioning. I'm sure he'll start and do just fine for us, although he won't ever be a big scorer. Washington showed quick hands, but was lost a lot. I thought Kelley was the biggest surprise of the new players - very fluid and active for a big. Once he learns the system better he might take Big G's starting spot. I agree that Wilson is physically impressive for a freshman, but he's way behind the others in pretty much every other way. Campbell couldn't get out of his own way and fouled out - it's hard to evaluate him from this game. Vernon had a hard time getting into the flow, as well - he'll need time to learn the system, too. Final score was 103-51. Montana Tech simply ran out of steam as the game went on. And... it seems even vs far inferior competition still took 31% off their shots from 3. Even in exhibition 4 guys dominated the minutes. Hoping to see minutes of development as the NC goes on. These 4 are not winning Pac12 games without depth. I don't get your point about the % of shots being 3s are too high. - First, I'd expect them to work on how they plan to play anybody. Particularly with a size advantage, working on inside game against a small opponent probably isn't going to help much - 31% of shots from 3 is low for what I'd like to see (subject to their make % of course, but we have shooters). For instance, Kansas was at 38.5% last year and the national champ shot 46% of their shots from 3. If we make them decent clip (~38% or better), I'd argue we should be taking a lot more. Reference: bleacherreport.com/articles/2762158-the-3-point-revolution-has-taken-over-college-basketball-too
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2018 10:52:47 GMT -8
And... it seems even vs far inferior competition still took 31% off their shots from 3. Even in exhibition 4 guys dominated the minutes. Hoping to see minutes of development as the NC goes on. These 4 are not winning Pac12 games without depth. I don't get your point about the % of shots being 3s are too high. - First, I'd expect them to work on how they plan to play anybody. Particularly with a size advantage, working on inside game against a small opponent probably isn't going to help much - 31% of shots from 3 is low for what I'd like to see (subject to their make % of course, but we have shooters). For instance, Kansas was at 38.5% last year and the national champ shot 46% of their shots from 3. If we make them decent clip (~38% or better), I'd argue we should be taking a lot more. Reference: bleacherreport.com/articles/2762158-the-3-point-revolution-has-taken-over-college-basketball-tooI've posted the stats previously... we are nop where near what Kansas shot and % considerably lower considering we were some 20%+ higher when we worked for higher % shots. This team went thru several scoring droughts per game of 4 min or more because certain players seem to need to shoot the ball. We rarely rewarded the bigs even with great positioning and that was with Drew there. This team has shown from the scoring droughts, lack of offensive movement (ball and player), and shooting % they are NOT a good team from three. Streaky? Yep. anywhere close to being able to live from three? Not a chance. This team needs to score in the paint far more than it has in the past or it will be same-o-same-o.
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