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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 15, 2018 11:36:47 GMT -8
To Baseba1111- His 4th class will now start playing. I guess you can say "+" because of GP2, who was recruited by both Tinkle and Robinson, but Tinkle did NOT have a recruiting cycle prior to his first season as Robinson was fired in May and Tinkle was hired in the Summer. Once again, Robinson's last two classes were practically non-existent. GP was pretty much the only contributor. The only major college programs that can handle that kind of poor recruiting spell apparently are offering six figure signing bonuses to mercenary hotshot players if the FBI is to be believed at all. I have fairly high expectations from here on. If Robinson had done his job recruiting his last couple seasons at OSU I'd have had much higher expectations two years ago. Robinson players were key components in WTs first two seasons... successful seasons. WT had those two seasons to bolster HIS roster. This is on WT not CR... just as it was on GAG not MR. Blaming the previous staff 4 seasons in is truly a sign of a failing staff. Injuries are similar in that they happen to every team and building respectable player depth by year 3 is on the coach. This is WTs make or break season. Start naming teams that are building top level depth from essentially zero scholarship players in 2-3 years without bringing in one-and-dones. There were no Robinson recruited starters in Tinkle's 3rd or 4th seasons. There should have been. Tinkle's year 3 was a disaster waiting to happen from the day he got there, moreso when Tres went out. The only possible way to have avoided it was to bring in 6-7 good, at least decent, scholarship players each of his first two years (is that even allowed? There used to be a limit on the numbers you could recruit in a two year period, that may have changed with the NBA coming after so many underclassmen) . OSU has not been a sexy destination for good basketball players after years of suckage. He could have brought in a few extra mediocre recruits to make the numbers of scholarships on the bench look good but I'm doubtful if it would have changed the results much. Heck, Eddy Payne brought in a class that most fans thought was terrific and most were gone in a year, he never won over 13 games while he was here. Frankly, after 2+ decades of mediocrity it would be tough for any coach to bring in more than 3 Pac 12 quality players here every year, without bringing in (and quite possibly paying) one-and-dones. Finally having 3 or 4 players with three years of experience in his system tripled the win numbers last season compared to the year prior. I'm thinking his efforts to "balance" the recruiting classes rather than look for quick fixes should pay off in the long run. Sadly we've had some attrition, but at least those left appear to belong in this league, it should be easier to recruit to fill needs in the future. I'd expect 16 wins to be on the bottom end of the scale from here on. I have hopes the team could get into the NCAA tournament this year. I think they will be improved over last year. I don't consider a NIT appearance a failure. I would think a losing season, even a .500 season, should turn up the heat on Tinkle.... I don't expect it to happen. You are probably the only knowledgeable person in the basketball world that doesn't seem to credit Tinkle for having done a very good job here his first two years. In my book he's had two good years one bad year, and it wasn't his fault in the least, and one improving and oh-so-close to good year in the four seasons he's been here. That's a better (in most cases significantly better) four year stretch than we've had since Ralph retired (and Ralph himself didn't start consistently have winning records in league games until his 5th season).
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 15, 2018 12:52:29 GMT -8
Define “program changer”. How many have we had at OSU the last 25 years? Tinkle has brought in several “Top 100” players. What level of player is a “program changer”? Are they easy enough to find that any school can land them? The Beavers have had 1 losing season out of the 4 years he’s been here, in that regards he’s already substantially changed the program. Tinkle has only had 3 recruiting classes play, do these “program changers” come along every year, and do they change the program immediately? Ha... "1 losing season or of four"... versus very very weak NC and what 20+ games under .500 Pac12 play (tired of looking up the exact numbers).So, if these top 100s are program changers, then the coaching/maximizing talent is truly lacking. This is Year 5... 4+ recruiting classes, 4 off seasons of supposed development and these program changers have gone backward since GPIIs departure. This has been a lower echelon Pac12 team, and coaches and writers see the same thing for this season. So, in terms of Pac12 play (which certainly had not been elite the last 5 years) this program has developed very little. Either the recruiting hasn't been at the level needed or its the player development...or a bit of both. WT better guy by far and wanted to see him succeed, but he's now receiving GAG excuses which bring on gag reflexes. Top half this year or time to cut bait while there is a core of young players here. And yet STILL better than any coach in the last 20 years here. OSU has been a 10th to 12th place finisher more times than not, only very rarely flirting with 7th, or 6th place finishes by virtue of one miraculous game and maybe a tie breaker... We can't keep losing sight of the big picture. We have sucked for a very long time. Wayne Tinkle may not be "The One" to get us to repeat final fours... but he is certainly the best we have had in a very long time. I think he can still keep us going up, and I think it would be dangerous to scrap it all again because we are chasing some fleeting hope of catching lighting in a bottle and will catapult us to the top team in the Pac-12 overnight. In other words. Scott Ruecks don't come along very often, and even a guy with his very, very impressive resume at George Fox, took 4 years to get going. Including a year 3 stumble. With all of that said. I really believe barring some ridiculously poor injury luck (like Tres and both thompsons going down preseason for the year type of tragedy...) this is absolutely Tinkles put up or shut up year. There simply isn't really any excuses left. This is the year he has to show he can coach a squad up. he can win some games. He can win some road games. Maybe not NCAA's or bust... but he needs a top half finish. a winning Pac record and to be at around 20 wins.
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Post by seastape on Oct 15, 2018 16:02:10 GMT -8
The articles that I have read so far on MBB this year, which essentially means the articles that have been discussed on these boards, has the players and coaches talking about how OSU basketball:
1) is deeper than last year 2) let a few games slip away last year that could have been won 3) is more experienced than last year 4) is stronger than last year 5) is seriously underrated in preseason discussions.
Outstanding. I expect this to be an excellent year, with an appearance in the tournament very likely. Tinkle has set the table for an outstanding season by his and his players' comments. There is no reason to expect anything less than a good season.
If, on the other hand, we have a team like last year, with a mediocre record in a mediocre conference, then forget it: Tinkle seat has to get very hot.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 15, 2018 19:21:28 GMT -8
Robinson players were key components in WTs first two seasons... successful seasons. WT had those two seasons to bolster HIS roster. This is on WT not CR... just as it was on GAG not MR. Blaming the previous staff 4 seasons in is truly a sign of a failing staff. Injuries are similar in that they happen to every team and building respectable player depth by year 3 is on the coach. This is WTs make or break season. Start naming teams that are building top level depth from essentially zero scholarship players in 2-3 years without bringing in one-and-dones. There were no Robinson recruited starters in Tinkle's 3rd or 4th seasons. There should have been. Tinkle's year 3 was a disaster waiting to happen from the day he got there, moreso when Tres went out. The only possible way to have avoided it was to bring in 6-7 good, at least decent, scholarship players each of his first two years (is that even allowed? There used to be a limit on the numbers you could recruit in a two year period, that may have changed with the NBA coming after so many underclassmen) . OSU has not been a sexy destination for good basketball players after years of suckage. He could have brought in a few extra mediocre recruits to make the numbers of scholarships on the bench look good but I'm doubtful if it would have changed the results much. Heck, Eddy Payne brought in a class that most fans thought was terrific and most were gone in a year, he never won over 13 games while he was here. Frankly, after 2+ decades of mediocrity it would be tough for any coach to bring in more than 3 Pac 12 quality players here every year, without bringing in (and quite possibly paying) one-and-dones. Finally having 3 or 4 players with three years of experience in his system tripled the win numbers last season compared to the year prior. I'm thinking his efforts to "balance" the recruiting classes rather than look for quick fixes should pay off in the long run. Sadly we've had some attrition, but at least those left appear to belong in this league, it should be easier to recruit to fill needs in the future. I'd expect 16 wins to be on the bottom end of the scale from here on. I have hopes the team could get into the NCAA tournament this year. I think they will be improved over last year. I don't consider a NIT appearance a failure. I would think a losing season, even a .500 season, should turn up the heat on Tinkle.... I don't expect it to happen. You are probably the only knowledgeable person in the basketball world that doesn't seem to credit Tinkle for having done a very good job here his first two years. In my book he's had two good years one bad year, and it wasn't his fault in the least, and one improving and oh-so-close to good year in the four seasons he's been here. That's a better (in most cases significantly better) four year stretch than we've had since Ralph retired (and Ralph himself didn't start consistently have winning records in league games until his 5th season). Hardly the only one... seems the coaches and media don't have much respect for the process in many ways. Look you keep harping on other teams, the past, and the first two years and are missing my point (and putting words in my mouth). I was totally pro WT as the first two years unfolded EXCEPT on proven recruits. GPII was basically a done deal with CR and GP's OSU connection, WT just had to not eff it up. BUT... by year 3 those first two successful years should have garnered better recruits (that STUCK) and better player development. Look, Tres was injured in game 6, but OSU lost ONE player, not a team. By that time JCs and Frosh recruits should have been able to cover some of the loss and no way should 5-27 happened. That's on WT. There has been 4 years of recruiting whiffs... kids not coming at all, and kids that have left and did not pan out talent wise. Too many misses for a team like OSU. The past is exactly that and has actually zero direct correlation to WTs recruiting success or lack there of. Winning doesn't assure great recruiting... great recruiting does. This year's class MUST pan out... must pan out in a big way to have any sort of future after this season (although I'm not a believer Tres is good enough to leave after this year and will return in 2019). This season will be an improvement if: -there is a PG (or two) that can facilitate the offense so there are not multiple 4-6 minute droughts per game; -there is a "team" offensive concept where shots are in the flow of a scheme (any scheme will do); -there are (5) guys (not 4, not 3) on the court buying into a team D philosophy & points in the paint are not routine; -there is an inside game for OSU... both ends... (5) guys wanting to rebound... an inside out game; -there is some kind of consistency from game to game, week to week vs 1 step forward and 3 back; -there is player development in that there is a evidence of building depth beginning game one; I have been in WT's corner for much of the first four seasons, BUT he's shown some glaring weaknesses in his coaching acumen... one or the other, better recruits or better development of those he is getting because the Pac12 is not standing still. The saddest part to me, is that this was the 5-year period to build the program. The Pac12 has been down as a whole and will not stay down. Well, unless the "Zona thing" explodes, as Utah, UCLA, UW, Oregon all have been mentioned in some regard. I'm not looking to be surprised... I expect a top 5-6 finish in league play (9-9 or better) and at least two conference tourney wins, and at least a NIT berth. I couldn't give an eff about NC play or total number of wins except as it has to do with player growth and team development for Pac12 play. What others hold as this team's standard and reasons why is definitely their call. But, if you want to call upon the past then stop with the excuses for the lack of success because that has truly been our hoops past and why OSU sunk so low!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 5:49:25 GMT -8
Start naming teams that are building top level depth from essentially zero scholarship players in 2-3 years without bringing in one-and-dones. There were no Robinson recruited starters in Tinkle's 3rd or 4th seasons. There should have been. Tinkle's year 3 was a disaster waiting to happen from the day he got there, moreso when Tres went out. The only possible way to have avoided it was to bring in 6-7 good, at least decent, scholarship players each of his first two years (is that even allowed? There used to be a limit on the numbers you could recruit in a two year period, that may have changed with the NBA coming after so many underclassmen) . OSU has not been a sexy destination for good basketball players after years of suckage. He could have brought in a few extra mediocre recruits to make the numbers of scholarships on the bench look good but I'm doubtful if it would have changed the results much. Heck, Eddy Payne brought in a class that most fans thought was terrific and most were gone in a year, he never won over 13 games while he was here. Frankly, after 2+ decades of mediocrity it would be tough for any coach to bring in more than 3 Pac 12 quality players here every year, without bringing in (and quite possibly paying) one-and-dones. Finally having 3 or 4 players with three years of experience in his system tripled the win numbers last season compared to the year prior. I'm thinking his efforts to "balance" the recruiting classes rather than look for quick fixes should pay off in the long run. Sadly we've had some attrition, but at least those left appear to belong in this league, it should be easier to recruit to fill needs in the future. I'd expect 16 wins to be on the bottom end of the scale from here on. I have hopes the team could get into the NCAA tournament this year. I think they will be improved over last year. I don't consider a NIT appearance a failure. I would think a losing season, even a .500 season, should turn up the heat on Tinkle.... I don't expect it to happen. You are probably the only knowledgeable person in the basketball world that doesn't seem to credit Tinkle for having done a very good job here his first two years. In my book he's had two good years one bad year, and it wasn't his fault in the least, and one improving and oh-so-close to good year in the four seasons he's been here. That's a better (in most cases significantly better) four year stretch than we've had since Ralph retired (and Ralph himself didn't start consistently have winning records in league games until his 5th season). Hardly the only one... seems the coaches and media don't have much respect for the process in many ways. Look you keep harping on other teams, the past, and the first two years and are missing my point (and putting words in my mouth). I was totally pro WT as the first two years unfolded EXCEPT on proven recruits. GPII was basically a done deal with CR and GP's OSU connection, WT just had to not eff it up. BUT... by year 3 those first two successful years should have garnered better recruits (that STUCK) and better player development. Look, Tres was injured in game 6, but OSU lost ONE player, not a team. By that time JCs and Frosh recruits should have been able to cover some of the loss and no way should 5-27 happened. That's on WT. There has been 4 years of recruiting whiffs... kids not coming at all, and kids that have left and did not pan out talent wise. Too many misses for a team like OSU. The past is exactly that and has actually zero direct correlation to WTs recruiting success or lack there of. Winning doesn't assure great recruiting... great recruiting does. This year's class MUST pan out... must pan out in a big way to have any sort of future after this season (although I'm not a believer Tres is good enough to leave after this year and will return in 2019). This season will be an improvement if: -there is a PG (or two) that can facilitate the offense so there are not multiple 4-6 minute droughts per game; -there is a "team" offensive concept where shots are in the flow of a scheme (any scheme will do); -there are (5) guys (not 4, not 3) on the court buying into a team D philosophy & points in the paint are not routine; -there is an inside game for OSU... both ends... (5) guys wanting to rebound... an inside out game; -there is some kind of consistency from game to game, week to week vs 1 step forward and 3 back; -there is player development in that there is a evidence of building depth beginning game one; I have been in WT's corner for much of the first four seasons, BUT he's shown some glaring weaknesses in his coaching acumen... one or the other, better recruits or better development of those he is getting because the Pac12 is not standing still. The saddest part to me, is that this was the 5-year period to build the program. The Pac12 has been down as a whole and will not stay down. Well, unless the "Zona thing" explodes, as Utah, UCLA, UW, Oregon all have been mentioned in some regard. I'm not looking to be surprised... I expect a top 5-6 finish in league play (9-9 or better) and at least two conference tourney wins, and at least a NIT berth. I couldn't give an eff about NC play or total number of wins except as it has to do with player growth and team development for Pac12 play. What others hold as this team's standard and reasons why is definitely their call. But, if you want to call upon the past then stop with the excuses for the lack of success because that has truly been our hoops past and why OSU sunk so low! There will be a huge difference between 9-9 or 10-8 to the appearance of the "trajectory" of the program. if 10-8 is achieved that is the first Oregon State winning record in conference since disco.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 16, 2018 8:13:52 GMT -8
Come on Baseba1111.... 4 years of recruiting whiffs? Class number 4 of the Tinkle era has yet to play one minute. Tinkle's 2016 class was a whiff, I'll give you that, but the rest are mostly intact at this point 3 years down the line. Three years down the line from Robinson's last 2 classes we got a few minutes out of N'Diaye and that's it.
That year 3 you complain about only had 1 Wayne Tinkle scholarship recruiting class that had played any minutes at this level prior to the season, and they were true sophomores.
You give Robinson credit for GP2, and that's basically correct, but you ignore the fact that that whole recruiting class was Robinson's and in that class there were ZERO additional players that played a second at OSU. Recruiting was essentially over for the year before Robinson was terminated.
This year should be the year it comes together.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 16, 2018 12:20:47 GMT -8
Come on Baseba1111.... 4 years of recruiting whiffs? Class number 4 of the Tinkle era has yet to play one minute. Tinkle's 2016 class was a whiff, I'll give you that, but the rest are mostly intact at this point 3 years down the line. Three years down the line from Robinson's last 2 classes we got a few minutes out of N'Diaye and that's it. That year 3 you complain about only had 1 Wayne Tinkle scholarship recruiting class that had played any minutes at this level prior to the season, and they were true sophomores. You give Robinson credit for GP2, and that's basically correct, but you ignore the fact that that whole recruiting class was Robinson's and in that class there were ZERO additional players that played a second at OSU. Recruiting was essentially over for the year before Robinson was terminated. This year should be the year it comes together. You must have stayed with GAG thru year 2? year 3? And... take away the "kids"... and tell me what recruits are program changers as of this time? Trouble is the "kids" have been the best recruits... if recruiting was on any type of Pac12 scale there would be other recruits at that level or better. There has not. There is no indication that IF those were not sons of coaches this staff would attract recruits at that level or better. Until seeing this current class versus Pac12 competition, Hollins is the closest to a legit Pac12 talent they've recruited... other than their own sons and Drew (the head case) who is no longer part of the team. Whiffs imply both kids here who are not Pac12 start quality, those who've left, and the multitude OSU was supposed "in" on and never chose this program/staff. Color it any way you want, the coaches' kids have been the best recruits and so far there has not been recruiting that matches that. When all the family ties are gone is there Pac12 quality left? Hence, my indicator that this class better show up in a huge way over the next two seasons.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 16, 2018 15:18:54 GMT -8
As far as GAG goes, I had hopes he knew what he was doing until he pulled the "they were late for the bus" thing for the Civil War.
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Post by blackbug on Oct 17, 2018 15:55:52 GMT -8
Start naming teams that are building top level depth from essentially zero scholarship players in 2-3 years without bringing in one-and-dones. There were no Robinson recruited starters in Tinkle's 3rd or 4th seasons. There should have been. Tinkle's year 3 was a disaster waiting to happen from the day he got there, moreso when Tres went out. The only possible way to have avoided it was to bring in 6-7 good, at least decent, scholarship players each of his first two years (is that even allowed? There used to be a limit on the numbers you could recruit in a two year period, that may have changed with the NBA coming after so many underclassmen) . OSU has not been a sexy destination for good basketball players after years of suckage. He could have brought in a few extra mediocre recruits to make the numbers of scholarships on the bench look good but I'm doubtful if it would have changed the results much. Heck, Eddy Payne brought in a class that most fans thought was terrific and most were gone in a year, he never won over 13 games while he was here. Frankly, after 2+ decades of mediocrity it would be tough for any coach to bring in more than 3 Pac 12 quality players here every year, without bringing in (and quite possibly paying) one-and-dones. Finally having 3 or 4 players with three years of experience in his system tripled the win numbers last season compared to the year prior. I'm thinking his efforts to "balance" the recruiting classes rather than look for quick fixes should pay off in the long run. Sadly we've had some attrition, but at least those left appear to belong in this league, it should be easier to recruit to fill needs in the future. I'd expect 16 wins to be on the bottom end of the scale from here on. I have hopes the team could get into the NCAA tournament this year. I think they will be improved over last year. I don't consider a NIT appearance a failure. I would think a losing season, even a .500 season, should turn up the heat on Tinkle.... I don't expect it to happen. You are probably the only knowledgeable person in the basketball world that doesn't seem to credit Tinkle for having done a very good job here his first two years. In my book he's had two good years one bad year, and it wasn't his fault in the least, and one improving and oh-so-close to good year in the four seasons he's been here. That's a better (in most cases significantly better) four year stretch than we've had since Ralph retired (and Ralph himself didn't start consistently have winning records in league games until his 5th season). Hardly the only one... seems the coaches and media don't have much respect for the process in many ways. Look you keep harping on other teams, the past, and the first two years and are missing my point (and putting words in my mouth). I was totally pro WT as the first two years unfolded EXCEPT on proven recruits. GPII was basically a done deal with CR and GP's OSU connection, WT just had to not eff it up. BUT... by year 3 those first two successful years should have garnered better recruits (that STUCK) and better player development. Look, Tres was injured in game 6, but OSU lost ONE player, not a team. By that time JCs and Frosh recruits should have been able to cover some of the loss and no way should 5-27 happened. That's on WT. There has been 4 years of recruiting whiffs... kids not coming at all, and kids that have left and did not pan out talent wise. Too many misses for a team like OSU. The past is exactly that and has actually zero direct correlation to WTs recruiting success or lack there of. Winning doesn't assure great recruiting... great recruiting does. This year's class MUST pan out... must pan out in a big way to have any sort of future after this season (although I'm not a believer Tres is good enough to leave after this year and will return in 2019). This season will be an improvement if: -there is a PG (or two) that can facilitate the offense so there are not multiple 4-6 minute droughts per game; -there is a "team" offensive concept where shots are in the flow of a scheme (any scheme will do); -there are (5) guys (not 4, not 3) on the court buying into a team D philosophy & points in the paint are not routine; -there is an inside game for OSU... both ends... (5) guys wanting to rebound... an inside out game; -there is some kind of consistency from game to game, week to week vs 1 step forward and 3 back; -there is player development in that there is a evidence of building depth beginning game one; I have been in WT's corner for much of the first four seasons, BUT he's shown some glaring weaknesses in his coaching acumen... one or the other, better recruits or better development of those he is getting because the Pac12 is not standing still. The saddest part to me, is that this was the 5-year period to build the program. The Pac12 has been down as a whole and will not stay down. Well, unless the "Zona thing" explodes, as Utah, UCLA, UW, Oregon all have been mentioned in some regard. I'm not looking to be surprised... I expect a top 5-6 finish in league play (9-9 or better) and at least two conference tourney wins, and at least a NIT berth. I couldn't give an eff about NC play or total number of wins except as it has to do with player growth and team development for Pac12 play. What others hold as this team's standard and reasons why is definitely their call. But, if you want to call upon the past then stop with the excuses for the lack of success because that has truly been our hoops past and why OSU sunk so low! You have a funny way of showing that you are in WT's corner. I do not believe it based on any of your comments. Your perception of what you have been is meaningless if you are trying to convince anyone else that you have been a supporter of WT.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 17, 2018 17:31:35 GMT -8
Hardly the only one... seems the coaches and media don't have much respect for the process in many ways. Look you keep harping on other teams, the past, and the first two years and are missing my point (and putting words in my mouth). I was totally pro WT as the first two years unfolded EXCEPT on proven recruits. GPII was basically a done deal with CR and GP's OSU connection, WT just had to not eff it up. BUT... by year 3 those first two successful years should have garnered better recruits (that STUCK) and better player development. Look, Tres was injured in game 6, but OSU lost ONE player, not a team. By that time JCs and Frosh recruits should have been able to cover some of the loss and no way should 5-27 happened. That's on WT. There has been 4 years of recruiting whiffs... kids not coming at all, and kids that have left and did not pan out talent wise. Too many misses for a team like OSU. The past is exactly that and has actually zero direct correlation to WTs recruiting success or lack there of. Winning doesn't assure great recruiting... great recruiting does. This year's class MUST pan out... must pan out in a big way to have any sort of future after this season (although I'm not a believer Tres is good enough to leave after this year and will return in 2019). This season will be an improvement if: -there is a PG (or two) that can facilitate the offense so there are not multiple 4-6 minute droughts per game; -there is a "team" offensive concept where shots are in the flow of a scheme (any scheme will do); -there are (5) guys (not 4, not 3) on the court buying into a team D philosophy & points in the paint are not routine; -there is an inside game for OSU... both ends... (5) guys wanting to rebound... an inside out game; -there is some kind of consistency from game to game, week to week vs 1 step forward and 3 back; -there is player development in that there is a evidence of building depth beginning game one; I have been in WT's corner for much of the first four seasons, BUT he's shown some glaring weaknesses in his coaching acumen... one or the other, better recruits or better development of those he is getting because the Pac12 is not standing still. The saddest part to me, is that this was the 5-year period to build the program. The Pac12 has been down as a whole and will not stay down. Well, unless the "Zona thing" explodes, as Utah, UCLA, UW, Oregon all have been mentioned in some regard. I'm not looking to be surprised... I expect a top 5-6 finish in league play (9-9 or better) and at least two conference tourney wins, and at least a NIT berth. I couldn't give an eff about NC play or total number of wins except as it has to do with player growth and team development for Pac12 play. What others hold as this team's standard and reasons why is definitely their call. But, if you want to call upon the past then stop with the excuses for the lack of success because that has truly been our hoops past and why OSU sunk so low! You have a funny way of showing that you are in WT's corner. I do not believe it based on any of your comments. Your perception of what you have been is meaningless if you are trying to convince anyone else that you have been a supporter of WT. Like your opinion or interpretation really matters! 🤣 But, thx for all that "meaningful" input...
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Post by blackbug on Oct 17, 2018 17:37:34 GMT -8
You have a funny way of showing that you are in WT's corner. I do not believe it based on any of your comments. Your perception of what you have been is meaningless if you are trying to convince anyone else that you have been a supporter of WT. Like your opinion or interpretation really matters! 🤣 But, thx for all that "meaningful" input... Just as much as yours.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 17, 2018 19:07:36 GMT -8
Like your opinion or interpretation really matters! 🤣 But, thx for all that "meaningful" input... Just as much as yours. Again... your typical "mature" comeback... ha... "same to you, but more off it" 🤣
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Post by fridaynightlights on Oct 19, 2018 17:47:32 GMT -8
As has been said many times before, recruiting is the "lifeblood" of a program. I am waiting to see if WT can recruit enough non coaches sons to take the program to the next level (getting to the NCAA tourney every few years). Unless he picks up the recruiting significantly in the next year or so this roster is not going to be Pac-12 competitive when the coaches kids are gone.
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