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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2018 9:42:22 GMT -8
Sunday Poll: Where Will Oregon State Men’s Basketball Finish In The Pac-12?Pac-12 Basketball Media Days kicked off earlier this week and several outlets are turning in their power rankings for the 2018 season. The Oregon State Beavers were tenth in the preseason media poll and ESPN ranked them seventh in their preseason power rankings. In short, there are some mixed expectations for Wayne Tinkle’s squad this season...so what do you think? Andy Katz's predictions and power rankings for the 2018-19 season9. Oregon State: The Beavers made my list for one of the top 3-point shooting teams in the country, led by Tres Tinkle. Offense shouldn’t be an issue for the Beavers. But will this team be able to defend. And the Beavers can win on the road. Wayne Tinkle, like Krystkowiak, maximizes his talent and the expectation is the Beavers will make some form of postseason. Postseason prediction: NIT consideration Wayne Tinkle Pac-12 Media Interview
Wayne Tinkle saved his job going 16-16 last year, after a a 5-27 disaster of a season in 2016-17 that saw the Beavers winning just one conference game. He will be starting his fifth year as coach of the Oregon St. Beavers. Tinkle expects the improvement to continue this season: Q. Just wondering, you guys had such a big improvement last year. How do you make that jump to get back to where you were in 2015-16? WAYNE TINKLE: Yeah, good point. I think the biggest jump was because we were healthy. Don’t get me wrong, we felt like we left a few out there last year. But I think the fact that we’ve got a good, mature group of I guess fourth-year players, some juniors, some seniors, got a full group that’s coming in that we feel can have an instant impact.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 14, 2018 10:21:49 GMT -8
Im thinking this year's team is truly a lot deeper that last year's was. Most of the team's losses (and some of their wins) involved 3-5 minute scoing droughts. A simple 6 point swing (one more offensive 3 pointer made and one less defensive 3 pointer made for instance) in combined offensive and defensive scoring could have turned 16 wins into 23 last year. Nobody blew them out. They were oh so close to being a pretty good team last year.
They lost Drew, but I'm hoping the surrounding cast improves enough to more than offset his leaving. I think if they stay healthy they're looking at 20 wins at least, where that puts the team in the league I can't say. If a new recruit or two turn out to be great right off the bat, it could be a pretty good year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 14, 2018 20:35:43 GMT -8
Sunday Poll: Where Will Oregon State Men’s Basketball Finish In The Pac-12?Pac-12 Basketball Media Days kicked off earlier this week and several outlets are turning in their power rankings for the 2018 season. The Oregon State Beavers were tenth in the preseason media poll and ESPN ranked them seventh in their preseason power rankings. In short, there are some mixed expectations for Wayne Tinkle’s squad this season...so what do you think? Andy Katz's predictions and power rankings for the 2018-19 season9. Oregon State: The Beavers made my list for one of the top 3-point shooting teams in the country, led by Tres Tinkle. Offense shouldn’t be an issue for the Beavers. But will this team be able to defend. And the Beavers can win on the road. Wayne Tinkle, like Krystkowiak, maximizes his talent and the expectation is the Beavers will make some form of postseason. Postseason prediction: NIT consideration Wayne Tinkle Pac-12 Media Interview
Wayne Tinkle saved his job going 16-16 last year, after a a 5-27 disaster of a season in 2016-17 that saw the Beavers winning just one conference game. He will be starting his fifth year as coach of the Oregon St. Beavers. Tinkle expects the improvement to continue this season: Q. Just wondering, you guys had such a big improvement last year. How do you make that jump to get back to where you were in 2015-16? WAYNE TINKLE: Yeah, good point. I think the biggest jump was because we were healthy. Don’t get me wrong, we felt like we left a few out there last year. But I think the fact that we’ve got a good, mature group of I guess fourth-year players, some juniors, some seniors, got a full group that’s coming in that we feel can have an instant impact. Other than being friends I'm lost in the comparison between Larry and Wayne in terms of maximizing talent?? |
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Post by bill82 on Oct 15, 2018 4:11:16 GMT -8
Seventh and tenth are not too far apart. Bottom half of the conference. If we run the table (or come close) in the preseason we can be sub-500 in conference and make the NIT. I don't see Tinkle surviving another year in the bottom half of the conference and I've never thought of his maximizing talent. Drew may get some time in the NBA this upcoming year and he was our third option after the coaches' kids.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 5:29:30 GMT -8
Seventh and tenth are not too far apart. Bottom half of the conference. If we run the table (or come close) in the preseason we can be sub-500 in conference and make the NIT. I don't see Tinkle surviving another year in the bottom half of the conference and I've never thought of his maximizing talent. Drew may get some time in the NBA this upcoming year and he was our third option after the coaches' kids. I don't think Wayne maximizes his own recruiting talent. I mean the guy is a personable 6'10 gentle giant with an easy way about him. I would think he wins in the living room most of the time. Does he spend enough time on the road trying to get the program changers? |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 15, 2018 5:42:19 GMT -8
Seventh and tenth are not too far apart. Bottom half of the conference. If we run the table (or come close) in the preseason we can be sub-500 in conference and make the NIT. I don't see Tinkle surviving another year in the bottom half of the conference and I've never thought of his maximizing talent. Drew may get some time in the NBA this upcoming year and he was our third option after the coaches' kids. I don't think Wayne maximizes his own recruiting talent. I mean the guy is a personable 6'10 gentle giant with an easy way about him. I would think he wins in the living room most of the time. Does he spend enough time on the road trying to get the program changers? Naive Game changers require 6 figure bonuses. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 5:54:42 GMT -8
I don't think Wayne maximizes his own recruiting talent. I mean the guy is a personable 6'10 gentle giant with an easy way about him. I would think he wins in the living room most of the time. Does he spend enough time on the road trying to get the program changers? Naive Game changers require 6 figure bonuses. i said program changer. That's one level below Game Changer. And yes they are out there. |
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Post by TheGlove on Oct 15, 2018 6:41:21 GMT -8
Naive Game changers require 6 figure bonuses. i said program changer. That's one level below Game Changer. And yes they are out there for 6 figure bonuses. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 15, 2018 6:41:36 GMT -8
Seventh and tenth are not too far apart. Bottom half of the conference. If we run the table (or come close) in the preseason we can be sub-500 in conference and make the NIT. I don't see Tinkle surviving another year in the bottom half of the conference and I've never thought of his maximizing talent. Drew may get some time in the NBA this upcoming year and he was our third option after the coaches' kids. I don't think Wayne maximizes his own recruiting talent. I mean the guy is a personable 6'10 gentle giant with an easy way about him. I would think he wins in the living room most of the time. Does he spend enough time on the road trying to get the program changers? Define “program changer”. How many have we had at OSU the last 25 years? Tinkle has brought in several “Top 100” players. What level of player is a “program changer”? Are they easy enough to find that any school can land them? The Beavers have had 1 losing season out of the 4 years he’s been here, in that regards he’s already substantially changed the program. Tinkle has only had 3 recruiting classes play, do these “program changers” come along every year, and do they change the program immediately? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 6:58:39 GMT -8
I don't think Wayne maximizes his own recruiting talent. I mean the guy is a personable 6'10 gentle giant with an easy way about him. I would think he wins in the living room most of the time. Does he spend enough time on the road trying to get the program changers? Define “program changer”. How many have we had at OSU the last 25 years? Tinkle has brought in several “Top 100” players. What level of player is a “program changer”? Are they easy enough to find that any school can land them? The Beavers have had 1 losing season out of the 4 years he’s been here, in that regards he’s already substantially changed the program. Tinkle has only had 3 recruiting classes play, do these “program changers” come along every year, and do they change the program immediately? For each program it's different. For Oregon State it's easy to define- a player who can get them to a tourney. I think Tres can get the team to a tourney this year (at least NIT). Yes they change the program immediately. Tres made an impact right away and so did GP II. Neither player was the one and done, lottery pay for play type. (Game Changer). But yeah i think big Wayne should be able to bring a player like this in. GP II program changer Tres program changer There's no others in the pipeline that i can tell. Next year will be back to ground zero. |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 15, 2018 8:27:03 GMT -8
I don't think Wayne maximizes his own recruiting talent. I mean the guy is a personable 6'10 gentle giant with an easy way about him. I would think he wins in the living room most of the time. Does he spend enough time on the road trying to get the program changers? Define “program changer”. How many have we had at OSU the last 25 years? Tinkle has brought in several “Top 100” players. What level of player is a “program changer”? Are they easy enough to find that any school can land them? The Beavers have had 1 losing season out of the 4 years he’s been here, in that regards he’s already substantially changed the program. Tinkle has only had 3 recruiting classes play, do these “program changers” come along every year, and do they change the program immediately? Ha... "1 losing season or of four"... versus very very weak NC and what 20+ games under .500 Pac12 play (tired of looking up the exact numbers). So, if these top 100s are program changers, then the coaching/maximizing talent is truly lacking. This is Year 5... 4+ recruiting classes, 4 off seasons of supposed development and these program changers have gone backward since GPIIs departure. This has been a lower echelon Pac12 team, and coaches and writers see the same thing for this season. So, in terms of Pac12 play (which certainly had not been elite the last 5 years) this program has developed very little. Either the recruiting hasn't been at the level needed or its the player development...or a bit of both. WT better guy by far and wanted to see him succeed, but he's now receiving GAG excuses which bring on gag reflexes. Top half this year or time to cut bait while there is a core of young players here. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 8:37:40 GMT -8
Define “program changer”. How many have we had at OSU the last 25 years? Tinkle has brought in several “Top 100” players. What level of player is a “program changer”? Are they easy enough to find that any school can land them? The Beavers have had 1 losing season out of the 4 years he’s been here, in that regards he’s already substantially changed the program. Tinkle has only had 3 recruiting classes play, do these “program changers” come along every year, and do they change the program immediately? Ha... "1 losing season or of four"... versus very very weak NC and what 20+ games under .500 Pac12 play (tired of looking up the exact numbers). So, if these top 100s are program changers, then the coaching/maximizing talent is truly lacking. This is Year 5... 4+ recruiting classes, 4 off seasons of supposed development and these program changers have gone backward since GPIIs departure. This has been a lower echelon Pac12 team, and coaches and writers see the same thing for this season. So, in terms of Pac12 play (which certainly had not been elite the last 5 years) this program has developed very little. Either the recruiting hasn't been at the level needed or its the player development...or a bit of both. WT better guy by far and wanted to see him succeed, but he's now receiving GAG excuses which bring on gag reflexes. Top half this year or time to cut bait while there is a core of young players here. top half is doable. Honestly that is not a high bar. It means you dont have to be better than Oregon, Arizona, UCLA, Washington and SC or Colorado. Should fully expect that this year. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 15, 2018 8:50:09 GMT -8
To Baseba1111-
His 4th class will now start playing. I guess you can say "+" because of GP2, who was recruited by both Tinkle and Robinson, but Tinkle did NOT have a recruiting cycle prior to his first season as Robinson was fired in May and Tinkle was hired in the Summer.
Once again, Robinson's last two classes were practically non-existent. GP was pretty much the only contributor. The only major college programs that can handle that kind of poor recruiting spell apparently are offering six figure signing bonuses to mercenary hotshot players if the FBI is to be believed at all.
I have fairly high expectations from here on. If Robinson had done his job recruiting his last couple seasons at OSU I'd have had much higher expectations two years ago.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 15, 2018 9:15:41 GMT -8
To Baseba1111- His 4th class will now start playing. I guess you can say "+" because of GP2, who was recruited by both Tinkle and Robinson, but Tinkle did NOT have a recruiting cycle prior to his first season as Robinson was fired in May and Tinkle was hired in the Summer. Once again, Robinson's last two classes were practically non-existent. GP was pretty much the only contributor. The only major college programs that can handle that kind of poor recruiting spell apparently are offering six figure signing bonuses to mercenary hotshot players if the FBI is to be believed at all. I have fairly high expectations from here on. If Robinson had done his job recruiting his last couple seasons at OSU I'd have had much higher expectations two years ago. Robinson players were key components in WTs first two seasons... successful seasons. WT had those two seasons to bolster HIS roster. This is on WT not CR... just as it was on GAG not MR. Blaming the previous staff 4 seasons in is truly a sign of a failing staff. Injuries are similar in that they happen to every team and building respectable player depth by year 3 is on the coach. This is WTs make or break season. |
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 15, 2018 11:06:50 GMT -8
To Baseba1111- His 4th class will now start playing. I guess you can say "+" because of GP2, who was recruited by both Tinkle and Robinson, but Tinkle did NOT have a recruiting cycle prior to his first season as Robinson was fired in May and Tinkle was hired in the Summer. Once again, Robinson's last two classes were practically non-existent. GP was pretty much the only contributor. The only major college programs that can handle that kind of poor recruiting spell apparently are offering six figure signing bonuses to mercenary hotshot players if the FBI is to be believed at all. I have fairly high expectations from here on. If Robinson had done his job recruiting his last couple seasons at OSU I'd have had much higher expectations two years ago. I guess you either run a clean program or you have bagmen out there bidding for the best - college basketball, of all the sports, seems to be the one where you recruit dirty or you don't win. There are the top 50 players, and then there are the rest - we must be running a clean program, and paying a price...... |
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